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[Jaswinder Singh Kohli]

Its rule of nature BIG one eats away small one
see your self
* Big Appetite: Andromeda Galaxy Caught Munching On Small Neighbors
http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/astronomy/andromeda_010705.html

The Andromeda galaxy isn't as restrained and helpless as its
mythological namesake. The large
spiral galaxy has been consuming stars from some of its neighboring
dwarf galaxies, scientists
say.

Pankaj Kaushal wrote:

> On Fri, Jul 06, 2001 at 03:18:32AM +0200, Menso Heus wrote:
> >On Thu, Jul 05, 2001 at 03:29:04PM +0530, pankaj at sarai.net wrote:
> >
> ><snip>
>
> >I didn't say it was hard to install, I said that, for the average
> >Joe Blow it would be hard thing to get everything working the way
> >(Phone being the player, phoning being the content).
>
> Most (if not all) things work on linux . The Hardware that does not
> work is obiviously from vendors who don't think opensource people
> should use there hardware. Earlier when I wanted to install Linux and
> a particular h/w is givin me problems What I do was change the hardware
> and make sure to tell *others* about it and to ignore it and use some
> alternative that works.
>

No  new user is gonna spend lot of money for just getting a new hardware
that
does work with linux.and put his old piece in bin.
means a big loss, means, a video card, then sound card, usb based
scanner,
usb based everything.
Hell lot hardware avail. in market are usb based.
Ya USB is supp. in 2.4.x series of kernels but not all USB software.



>
> >Correct, drivers are often not available. Blame it on the manufacturer
> >if you want, but that's not Joe Blow's problem. Joe Blow only sees that
> >it doesn't work and Joe Blow wants things to work.
>
> Slowly as the user's will increase the h/w vendors will realise the
> market and things will start working.
>
> till then joe blow *who wishes to use linux* can ask the Local Linux Guru
> about what h/w to buy for his linux box.
>
> >The question I was trying to raise was not whether it's an 'experimental
> >OS that kids play with' but whether it's suitable as a desktop OS for
> >Joe Blow.
>
> We need enough Joe Blow to give back complaints.
>
> What you don't understand here is Linux does not work on the philosophy
> that all the *hackers* are here to work for Mr Joe Blow and his Desktop PC.
> and to make sure that every thing works.It works on the philosophy of give
> and take If Joe Blow tells on the *kernel mailing list* that this dos'nt work
> I'm sure some one will take a weekend to try and sort it out.
>

very obv. Joe blow doesn't know kernel list.

>
> >There *is* no opensource streaming format that can compete with Windows Media
> >Player or even Real. This is not a question of monopoly or whatever other
> >anti-payware slogan you want to use, it simply does not exist.
>
> Then Why don't you try to contact people who think the same and want to do
> something about it. Try to attract attention of *hackers* who are comming to
> HAL and see what happens .
>
> People who run Linux machines, who code for GNU and who do publicity
> are not responsible for Joe Blows problem but If Joe tries to be a part
> of the community and help them do his work maybe things would work out.
>

No Joe blow can work for the community.
dead sure
One thing he can work for is
Cleaning there houses, dishes etc....
thats what you mean....

>
> I was once like Joe myself :) .
>

did you

>
> <snip>
> >For some reason people started saying Office 2k would be XML compliant, I didn't ever
> >see MS make this claim. They use a new XML like structure for all their office 2k
>
> I never said that MS was comatible with XML its Not. And the point is Why Not?
> When an open Standard exists then why use something that is slightly different
> then the standard.
>

Now who told you that XML is not  a Open standard,
ya its new not exactly
the XML paper became standard around Sept-Oct 2000
by w3c.
u see go to w3c site and download a standard paper
on XML
and XML is not only work of MS
it is joint work of MS, IBM, Sun, maybe etc...(i dont' exactly know
more)

>
> Clearly the reason is to capture the users *who don't know the underlaying tech*
> into that ring. Software based on closed technologies is like a virus. If you want
> to share content with ur friends they have to buy that technology too.

I don't think VIRUS is closed technology, ya new virus is BUT
its very open, search net you can find about virus tech. or contact me.
I have hell lot of Virus sources and Tutorials on making of virus.
friend of mine also knows how to make one
and from the info have on it, i think itsthe most OPEN tech.
and very GEEK tech understandable by only by people
with extra active Brain.


>
>
> Its like saying You can Not share the apples that you buy with your friends just
> because I own the apple tree and I will decide who eats apples.
>

OK, you own apples you decide who are your friends.

>
> >documents so that they are easily interchangeable with other office 2k programs
> >(e.g. from word to excell to powerpoint without losing anything).
> >Thus, their goal was not to make an XML compliant application (whether or not
>
> Yes, Thats what I am saying out loud  there goal was not to make it compatible
> with XML. because they don't want an open technology reaching the users.
>

Told ya its not closed not only by MS


>
> >Thus, they never claimed that the output of Office 2k programs would be things
> >compatible to the XML standard and anybody saying "when you produce a html with
> >word 2000 it produces XML" are obviously no up to date on the facts.
> >If they continue with "and Obiviously it is Incompatible with every other XML
> >parser" they are right, since it's *not* XML and nobody ever claimed it was.
>
> oke it was my mistaque to call it XML its something that looks like XML.
> but the point is not technical at all the point is not that if it is XML or not
> the point is Why Not?
>
> ok  MS has all the right in the world to use whatever and write there software
>  how they want to write it.
>
> But Joe Blow also has the right to know what is happenning. but normally Joe
> dos'nt know.

Not every Joe Blow is techy.people are there who use system for
dataentry
and other simple task
whats the use of those people lnowing whats going on inside.
wasting their time.
no more than 0.5 % people want to know what is going on inside.
and if you want to know learn some reverse eng.
or ask a reverse eng.
#cracking4newbees
and like wise
ready to answere people there.

Now who knows IRC is a more than gen person
may be the one who wants to know the int.




>
>
> The point is not wether Linux is a better Desktop OS then windows.
> neither it is that MS is evil.

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Jaswinder Singh Kohli
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