[Reader-list] Reposting Dirt Ditty/ saint Pandey de Sarai
Neel
Neel
Thu Apr 11 09:24:22 IST 2002
Dear All,
I am reposting my earlier comments since there
seems to be errors in the text coming on the list.
Sorry for spamming, if that is the right lingo.
Regards,
neel
Sisters and Brothers and Mothers and Fathers and
Aunts and Uncles and Teachers and many more
.
And my friends in love and hate
.
I am amazed at the egos on this list. Such bright
people, anyday I would like to be free people like you.
And, now you guys close off?
I have been a lurker almost all through the time I
have been a member of this list, a very short time
too. But, Sarai has been known for some time, I
heard about it, read printouts of discussions, and
heard so much of your cafeteria and the way lives
are getting changed. I am sure you work in a really
fascinating space, some place out of the blue, where
I would like to be there with you.
I have always used the list as a source of
information, to learn what bright people do, what they
think of, what they will do to change our lives. I
suppose a guy like me always looks for the guru, the
sant, a sort of salvation-master who will bring me out
of the gloom into joy.
I never felt the need to write, but today I feel I do, hey
really, I do. I am upset with the guru.
The list administrator has probably never been
under such pressure before, I presume, since she
never sent us a mail like the one she has done today
(4/10/2002 6.24 PM). And why may that be? Since a
little boy (sorry, puny and frustrated intellectual) has
written a dirty little ditty? [Remember your nursery
rhymes?]
I have a few questions, doubts as we were taught in
school and college. [Before examination
week/month, during the last day of class the teacher
would ask if we had doubts. Never had one. Never
learned anything, not at least in college filled with
puny and frustrated intellectuals]
I address my queries to specific individuals, but I
hope we all talk, at least some of you will with me, so
that my doubts as to what really constitutes
freedom, the civil society (th
much more could get a
little clarified.
Professor Saint, I do agree that little piece by Mr
Pandey (a pandy, the Bengal Army?), starting with
ball and beers tries to be satirical, [probably one of
the many, now with literary aspirations] and attempts
to engage with the poet Jyotsna Kapur, and uses a
lot of hard terms which I do not understand and I
have to buy a special dictionary for them. Maybe you
can explain them, or rather he should. He does
seem derogatory, and the poet is not there to defend
herself, which you do ably, and very rightly. What right
do we have as individuals to presume such
familiarity?
Sir, when you say that somebody has been
engaging in the egregious posturing and
self-promotion that has been on display on this list
for some time, I presume you have been referring to
the same smutty poet, Mr Pandey. I understand very
well why you say that his ditty is smutty and
semi-pornographic, because so many of us have
pornographic dreams all (actually) all the time, at
least once in a lifetime.
I also read that our pornographic poet has displayed
pretentious attempts to display familiarity with
serious academic debates and that this renders
his attack suspect in any case However, you seem
not to have told us how his familiarity with academic
debates is at default? Is it not an innuendo in itself?
Correct me if I am wrong.
I have one request of you Sir, and I maybe echoing
Monica, you must not withdraw from the list. Such
slander will only get fodder if not crushed completely.
One can always get this guy off the list, but he can
bring out his dirty ditties elsewhere. So, Sir,
dialogue. You are a teacher, Sir.
I would also like to know what constitutes the
university, how it extends into the community, and
who are the worst sort of elements in the university.
So Mr Pandey is in the university? So, there are
actually a lot of people in the university who write with
a smutty tone and quasi-pornographic drift?
Monica, your posting as list administ
or is that of a
tired being. You seem to be tired of us. It is an
unmoderated list. But, now, we have to notify what is
the good and the bad. I do not understand. How
does one puny intellectual shake up a huge
intellectual community, throw us into disarray?
Then, this writer of dirty ditties is a revolutionary? I
think it is valid to think of these questions? So, do I
find the guru in him?
So, we close off, we worry about that lick of flame
burning us all. Hellfire?
Is Code No 6 a threat?
[6> The following kinds of posts are not suited:
* Announcements (send to
announcements at sarai.net)
* Flames
* Unannotated URLs/forwarded articles
* Promotional material
Reader-list is an unmoderated list, so we rely on
subscribers
following these guidelines to keep the list dynamic
and active. The
facilitators may send reminders to anyone not
following the
guidelines. Posters who repeatedly ignore these
guidelines and
reminders may be removed from the list.]
I have a funny fear that lot of people who know each
other on the list are settling personal scores. Sarai
can always organize a wrestling championship, no,
rather a cockfight or dogfight like in those Westerns.
No, rather the Roman arena, with gladiators. Oooh!
Wow.
And yes, none of us have actually discussed some
of the points that Mr Pandey has raised. Not all of it is
jargon, you know.
Anyway, I am tired too, it is late, I will try to sleep. I do
not need a guru, I am not asking for salvation. All I
am saying, come my beloved friends, let us chat,
have fun. Can we, we the people, in love and hate
get hijacked by one puny intellectual?
So, let us follow Code 7:
[7> Most of all, enjoy yourself! The Reader-list has
been a fantastic
forum for the exchange of ideas, and it continues to
grow in size and
diversity. But it can only do so while new members
come in and
contribute.]
Let me know,
Neel
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