[Reader-list] CarniBore

[Menso Heus]

On Tue, Jul 09, 2002 at 11:25:41PM +0000, Lachlan Brown wrote:
> 
> Stop scare mongering geert. The hype over the distribution of 
> carnivore, omnivore and draggonet, plus ECHELON (which is simply 
> the three in series PLUS conventional means of intelligence
> gathering and policing: - ie 'ask a professional colleague 
> of the subject under scrutiny' which yields the greatest 
> intelligence ;) Col Crush GCHQ in Winchcomb, David Sterling, Siwa 
> Oasis 1942), seems destined to stress the need for more technology 
> and more European-American technologists to mediate the new 
> international, global, media.
> 
> Suddenly we are not supposed to be able to discuss
> culture, politics, and the law online. Curious that
> this sudden end to meaning should happen just when
> culture, politics and the law writ globally don't sound so 
> homely to EurAm 'net culture' and net culturists.

<blah blah blah>
 
> I mean, some of us have a lot to say that will require
> a degree in cultural studies to understand, or a little bit 
> of reading, but the specialism is freely available through 
> Open learning, Adult Education and also conventional University 
> degree routes. I doubt there will ever be a string of code that 
> can decode Encoding/Decoding by Stuart Hall. Or 'H' as we like
> to call him.

<are you for real or is this a parody you're doing? It must be parody>

> I mean, the hype about CarniBore is rather like suggesting
> that it is impossible to discuss anything on a train in 1900
> because 'agents' might be listening in, or impossible to
> discuss anything on the phone in 1960 because James Bond
> might be pretending to be the Phone engineer.

You are really not understanding this at all, are you? 

It is not a question of 'an agent that might be listening in', there 
is one, always listening and storing all that he hears.

Whether one still wants to (or can) have an open discussion under these
circumstances is something each person will have to figure out for them-
selves. This is what this is all about, not about a degree in cultural 
studies or 'BS' as I like to call it.


Menso
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