[Reader-list] RE: Madarsa's of Delhi, A Study about the instiutes of Taliban.

[Yousuf]

No, but my guess is that this project really aims to
break the myth about Indian madrasas being the
breeding grounds for 'Taliban'. He is probably using
the word Taliban sarcastically to highlight its
misplaced connotations in the world today. But I guess
in a formal research project you could do with a more
rational/professional language. Someone with no
background of the situation reading this abstract
would actually assume that all madrasa students are
called Taliban (or behave like them). This is my
reading, and I hope I am correct. If this is not the
case (and if Taliban in this abstract really means
what it means) then I would have my doubts. Any
comments, dear salahuddin.

Yousuf

--- Roohi Iqbal <riqbal at rcis.org> wrote:
> 
> Dear Yousuf, 
> 
> Thank you for replying to your e-mail to Salahuddin.
> I too was really upset at both the use  of the world
> 'taliban' in that context and also at the assumed
> connection of madrasas  with terrorism. The study
> title is also misleading, as you mentioned, the word
> 'taliban' is not used in the context of the children
> learning at madrasas but with Taliban in
> Afghanistan. I think a rewording of the title and an
> honest and open look (without biases) would do the
> study much more justice. 
> 
> sincerely,
> Roohi
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Yousuf [mailto:ysaeed7 at yahoo.com]
> Sent:	Tue 2/3/2004 2:06 AM
> To:	sallykenin at yahoo.com; reader-list at sarai.net
> Cc:	
> Subject:	[Reader-list] Re: Madarsa's of Delhi,A
> Study about the instiutes of Taliban. 
> 
> Dear Salahuddin
> I am a bit perturbed by your repeated use of the
> word
> “taliban” to refer to the students of the madrasas.
> If
> you are using the word sarcastically, you don’t have
> to hammer it so much, especially at a forum like
> Sarai. Of course you have been a student of Arabic
> and
> would know it better, but as far as I know, the
> generally acceptable word is ‘talaba’ or ‘tolaba’
> for
> students. Although taliban is not incorrect, since
> it
> is the plural of talib (seeker), but we all know the
> present day connotation of this word. And I don’t
> think even the Madrasa folks themselves use this
> word
> in south Asia. (I was especially amused at one of
> your
> typo spellings: tailbans!)
> 
> For your information, a lot of work has been, or is
> being done on the Indian Madrasas. I would
> especially
> recommend you to interact with a scholar friend Yogi
> Sikand who must not have missed visiting a single
> Madrasa in India, and is writing a book on it. Also,
> my friends Amirullah Khan and Zafar Anjum have
> compiled and presented an exhaustive report on
> Indian
> Madrasas recently. (Zafar: zafaranjum at hotmail.com,
> Yogi Sikand: ysikand at yahoo.com). Some people are
> even
> doing documentary films on the subject. 
> Good luck on the project.
> 
> Yousuf Saeed
> 
> --- sallykenin at yahoo.com wrote:
> > Hi and Hello dear friends,
> >  I am a new and proud member of this prestigious
> > readers list
> > 
> >    My name is ………………Salahuddin. 
> >    I have been  working  as freelance journalist 
> in
> > New Delhi, India, 
> >   
> >  Presently working on a research proposal
> supported
> > by
> >  Sarai, which is about the  Madarsa’s of Delhi.
> The
> > name of the proposal is  Delhi Ke Madarson  Ki  Ek
> > Jhalak[ a glimps of Delhi’s Madarsas].
> > 
> >  I am a graduate in Arabic literature and there
> > after
> > have completed my masters in Mass communication
> from
> > 
> > MCRC Jamia, New Delhi 25.
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > 
> > DELHI KE MADARSON KI EK JHALK.
> > As the name suggest the research is ;basically,
> > about
> > the Madarsas of Delhi, Madarsa is an Arabic world
> > which  means school.  They are generally  minority
> > institute where religious education is provided.
> The
> > students of  these institute are generally called
> > Taliban.  Madarasa allover the subcontinent are
> > functioning almost the same way, so discovery
> about
> > Delhi Madarsas will present a broad picture of
> these
> > particular minority institute spread all over the
> > country, but we will mainly focus on Delhi. In
> > Indian
> > context its really interesting to know that Delhi
> > was
> > the first place where a Madarsa took place first
> > time
> > in Sultanait dynasty.
> >  
> > After the 11 September attack on Twins tower in
> the
> > U.S.A.  the discussions and dialogue about
> terrorism
> > Taliban, fundamentalism and Madarsas are  getting
> > more
> > and more  space day by day among the world
> > community,
> > there are many notions about these religious
> > institutes.
> > In India there are three common school of thought
> > about these institutes, one is totally against of
> > these institutes, and says there is no use of
> these 
> > Madarsas in the modern society, the other group
> says
> > no, they are useful but need to be reformed,  but
> > the
> > last group of Ulamas and Maulana’s  consider any
> > kind
> > intervention in Madarsas unnecessary  and reject
> any
> > kind of modernizations of Madarsas .
> > Apart from these discourses there r so many other
> > things related to madarsas which need to be come
> out
> > openly before the common people.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >  All over the subcontinent Muslims  are very much
> > influence by the Madarsa culture ,weather
> > consciously
> > our unconsciously, but most of them are  also
> > actually
> > unaware of the whole Madarsa business.
> >   
> > 
> >   Now there are so many things to be discovered
> > like, 
> >  What is  teaching methods of Madarsa education?
> Who
> > are the student[ Talibans]?What they gain from 
> > Madasas? Highlights of  their particular
> > culture[Madarsa culture?] how they live and what
> are
> > the restriction impose on the Taliban? How  are 
> > these
> > talibans?  
> > 
> > 
> > How they function? What is the purpose of these
> > institutes? Weather they contribute any thing to
> the
> > modern culture and life?
> > There is growing concern among the Malouna and
> > Muslim
> > community  and they feel afraid of these day today
> > developments regarding there religious intitutes.
> >  We all know what is happening around the world 
> > today
> > regarding Madarsa, Islam and fundamentalism, in
> this
> > scenario research about Madarsas is  really full
> of
> > interest.  
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > These and these kind of many other questions will
> be
> > explored through our research. .
> > To accomplish our research we have to visit the
> > Madras’s again and again and talk widely to the
> > people
> > around, students [Tailbanes] teachers, and the
> > principal of the various Madras’s situated all
> over
> > the Delhi.  Apart from this we have to interview
> the
> > people of different organization who have already
> > done
> > lots of work in Madras’s, and have done their own
> > services etc.  
> > 
> 
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