[Reader-list] WHO WILL PROTECT THE RIGHTS OF INDIAN MUSLIMWOMEN??

[S Datta]

oh, completely; but my point is that there must be a rationale to such
engagement besides reiterating our oft-reiterated options,
which as far as i can see, is all that we are doing. another way to put it
might be that a serious discussion on the issues skirted here (which, as
you point out, are serious in their impact on our lives)  is well worth
it; i'm just not sure that sending out many mails saying 'oh, we don't
agree with you' or words to that effect serves any particular purpose,
since this is clearly not going to change anyone's mind/ get them to
reconsider their position. so unless the discussion can be moved to a
somewhat more subtle plane, it seems redundant. also, i am not suggesting
that v jogi or anyone else with their view shuts up, but forgive me for
not needing sarai list emails to remind me that people with severely
bigoted
views exist, both in the world and on the sarai list. if the proponent of
these views did more than merely repeat them endlessly, i might be
interested, but as things stand, all that these exchanges tell me is that
there are people who have views i find both objectionable and
badly-thought-out, which i already knew. all i'm saying is: it is
pointless to give these views, at least as thus far expressed/argued, more
than very little weight. if v jogi or anyone else cares to 'engage' more
seriously, with some thought and maybe some arguments, i'm more than happy
to engage with them, as, i'm sure, are other people.


 >
> I don't know about this list, but on or off the list, we need no
> engage with these views, no matter how stupid they are, because these
> views are widespread enough to cause spurts of fascism (Ayodhya,
> Gujarat) every now and then. These views are, in all their stupidity,
> powerful enough to destabilise the polity and affect our daily lives -
> socially, politically perhaps even intelectually.
>
> SV
>
>
> On 7/27/05, S Datta <sdatta at mit.edu> wrote:
> >
> > People:
> >
> > Why are we engaging/debating with this V. Jogi person? It is clear that
> > her badly-thought-out, kneejerk, and ill-formulated (not to mention,
> > inherently stupid) views have little or no support on this list. Perhaps
> > we'd all be better off, and would have slightly less clogged inboxes, if
> > we ignored these messages and let her rant to her heart's content? I'm
> > saying this because I think there should be a minimum level of coherence
> > in a statement before it merits extensive dissection/discussion/rebuttal.
> > It doesn't seem to me that Ms Jogi's repeated salvos meet this criterion;
> > we have, I believe, satisfied ourselves that most members of this list are
> > not in agreement with the views expressed, howsoever badly put, in her
> > mails; so why not just end this now and move on to matters that actually
> > deserve our time and energy? I say this with full awareness that I'm as
> > guilty as anyone of keeping this discussion going, but really, it's way
> > past it's sell-by-date now.
> >
> > Cheers!
> >
> > On Wed, 27 Jul 2005 fmadre at free.fr wrote:
> >
> > > Selon Vedavati Jogi <vrjogi at hotmail.com>:
> > > > i did not talk about 'dividing india'.  i want to throw out those muslims
> > > > who don't accept rule of the land.
> > >
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