[Reader-list] Communalisation by Media

[Jassim Ali]

Agree that we should see through the facade .......
And im doing (or rather trying to... ) my part......
But im afraid that i see a lot of prejudice both in the minds of Muslims as
well as Hindus
and lets accept that basic reality rather than ascribing it to one community
alone......

regarding

in 1989, bjp was not the ruling party, by the time kashmir problem started
third front had taken over.

moreover, i am not a bjp spokes person, nor i am  justifying gujrat carnage
, but i sincerely feel that pseudo secular thoughts & acts are responsible
for hindu-muslim rift and unfortunately poor muslims are at receiving end.

after guj. happenings & before assembly elections in guj. i had visited one
exhibition of gujrati dress materials in pune, out of curiosity i asked many
traders about guj. riots. one of them said, 'what modi saab has done nobody
else has done that for we hindus in india. just see what happens in
election.' others nodded. i was stunned.

The BJP was and still is interested in its own political agenda ....

Jus checkout wether they have worked more on the Bofors and the
Sonia-Italian Issue or on the Kashmiri Pandit issue ...
Trust your senses to come up with the answer .......


Our Great leader here  ....is more interested in getting his pics taken and
stickers stamped on food packets given out by
relief workers (incidentally not from the saffron brigades ) .........
and we all know what he did and how he's won his election ......

and the fact that we are discussing the opinion of a cloth trader and take
it as the Mass Opinion brings us back to square one ...
besides whatever MODI-fications and TOGADI-fication have happened they have
hardly made gujarat nor the rest of India safer for the hindus....

ask yourself ?     Have they ?

hasnt akshardham and mumbai and delhi blasts happened ?

Let me know when ethnic cleansing has solved a problem .....
and that day i would happily quit advertising and join the guys  with a
trishul/AK 47 in hands....

cheers ,
j



On 8/14/06, Vedavati Jogi <vrjogi at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> If muslims in kashmir have ethnic cleansed the pandits, then where was the
> central govt as well as the subsequent BJP govt when came in power ? why
> werent these things investigated ?
>
> ......................
>
> dear mr. jassim,
>
> in 1989, bjp was not the ruling party, by the time kashmir problem started
> third front had taken over.
>
> moreover, i am not a bjp spokes person, nor i am  justifying gujrat
> carnage
> , but i sincerely feel that pseudo secular thoughts & acts are responsible
> for hindu-muslim rift and unfortunately poor muslims are at receiving end.
>
> after guj. happenings & before assembly elections in guj. i had visited
> one
> exhibition of gujrati dress materials in pune, out of curiosity i asked
> many
> traders about guj. riots. one of them said, 'what modi saab has done
> nobody
> else has done that for we hindus in india. just see what happens in
> election.' others nodded. i was stunned.
>
> pseudo secularists and people like abu azmi remain safe and poor muslims
> have to bear the brunt. is it a secularism? mr. jassim, politicians are
> always playing minority card, 'divide & rule' is their policy. now muslims
> like you have to take initiative & show these politicians their
> place.  can
> you do that?
>
>
>
>
> >From: "Jassim Ali" <jassim.ali at gmail.com>
> >To: "Vedavati Jogi" <vrjogi at hotmail.com>
> >CC: s_kavula at yahoo.com, thestatesman at vsnl.com, editor at ibnlive.com,
> >arkitectindia at yahoogroups.com, toical1 at indiatimes.com,
> >feedback at hindustantimes.com, reader-list at sarai.net, ttedit at abpmail.com
> >Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Communalisation by Media
> >Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 10:25:09 +0400
> >
> >Gimme a break .....
> >
> >We all know that there are Bad Muslims just as Bad Hindus,Bad Jews,Bad
> >Mallus,Bad Bongs,Bad Arabs, and so on and so forth...
> >If presumably educated and logically driven individuals like us tend to
> get
> >motivated by extreme propoganda and rhetorics then i guess we could
> forgive
> >the hindus and the muslims for cutting eachothers throats .....
> >
> >If muslims in kashmir have ethnic cleansed the pandits, then where was
> the
> >central govt as well as the subsequent BJP govt when came in power ? why
> >werent these things investigated ?
> >
> >Even the Godhra cant justify a state sponsored genocide that  happened in
> >gujarat .....
> >and i dont think 90% of my hindu brothers would disagree with me on that
> >.....
> >
> >Yes muslims do have a severe state of self-pity and anguish and have
> >contributed to a large extent to Ghetto-ising themselves post 1857 till
> >this
> >date.
> >If they arent socially mobile, they got none to blame except
> >themselves......
> >
> >Im an Indian Muslim and im working and living in middle east at present ,
> >have spent a fair amount of my time studying and working in india as
> well,
> >and i mus say barring a few rare occurences i had never faced a problem.
> >Maybe its my luck that i have been amongst some sensible people, but that
> >doesnt means that i would sit on the sidelines and watch people spread
> crap
> >and tarnish of my country .
> >
> >and this is not a self induced hyperbole....
> >jus a pissed off ranting post years of hearing crap from both the sides
> >green and saffron
> >
> >cheers
> >j
> >
> >
> >
> >On 8/14/06, Vedavati Jogi <vrjogi at hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>what happened in gujrat was very bad, no doubt but while cursing
> guj.cmfor
> >>that, we should not ignore godhra, . moreover modi alone could not have
> >>done
> >>anything, hindus in guj. wholeheartedly supported him, provoked hindus
> >>'reacted'!and  it was an obvious reaction..
> >>since gandhian days hindus have been given lot of doses of 'ahimsa'.
> >>when it comes to muslims, psedu secularists keep their mouths shut. how
> >>long
> >>hindus can tolerate these things?
> >>when babri masjid was pulled down these pseudo secularists created hue &
> >>cry, what about those temples broken in Kashmir?
> >>what about those kashmiri pundits, who have become refugees in their own
> >>country? incidentlly, i am a maharashtrian married to a kashmiri
> >>pundit.based in pune.
> >>hindu cannot be considered as secular if he stands by another hindu but
> to
> >>prove his or her secular credentials he has to support muslims may be
> even
> >>those muslims who are involved in terrorist activities.- this is
> >>secularism
> >>in india!
> >>
> >>vedavati
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> >From: saraswati <s_kavula at yahoo.com>
> >> >To: Vedavati Jogi <vrjogi at hotmail.com>
> >> >CC: reader-list at sarai.net, arkitectindia at yahoogroups.com,
> >> >feedback at hindustantimes.com, thestatesman at vsnl.com, ttedit at abpmail.com
> ,
> >> >toical1 at indiatimes.com, editor at ibnlive.com, rgdj12 at yahoo.com
> >> >Subject: RE: [Reader-list] Communalisation by Media
> >> >Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 08:48:30 -0700 (PDT)
> >> >
> >> >no vedavati,
> >> >
> >> >   i was not equating RSS with Nazis.  I should have added one more
> >>thing
> >> >may be - that all americans are not George W Bush nor are all muslims
> >> >Terrorists or all British are and were not BAD Fellows.
> >> >
> >> >   i was only saying that one should not generalise. I think, the
> >>problem
> >> >occurs with generalising people and communities.
> >> >
> >> >   I guess it is about time, we just called ourselves human beings and
> >> >said, okay there are just may be good or bad people and many more with
> >> >various shades of grey.
> >> >
> >> >   it was that i wanted to say. i should have said may be all Hindus
> are
> >> >not hard core fundamentalists.
> >> >
> >> >   About the RSS - i don't know, but what we have seen in Gujarat was
> >> >genocide done in the name of religion - people were marked and killed,
> >> >killed by the fundamentalist forces.
> >> >
> >> >   I do not know where you come from, but when I traveled to the
> North,
> >> >especially Gujarat, (i was there just before the sorry time of march
> >>2002
> >>-
> >> >i could see the rift that was created by the works of RSS-VHP - i
> could
> >> >witness the segregation of muslims by these forces) and soon after I
> >> >returned from there - (i was in gujarat in jan 2002 and in march i
> hear
> >>of
> >> >the horrible situation).
> >> >
> >> >I am not at all supporting the muslim appeasement done by Gandhi, or
> by
> >>the
> >> >successive governments...but then, i don't support the hindutva
> brigade
> >> >either. i believe it is about time each community did an introspection
> >>and
> >> >set their own house in order, rather than throwing stones at each
> other.
> >> >
> >> >   it is a fact, that caste remains the bete noire of the hindu
> society.
> >> >and we complain about conversions - really, i feel if hinduism was
> such
> >>a
> >> >weak religion, it would have disappeared long time ago. i think on the
> >> >contrary - i think it was one religion that never needed any kind of
> >> >preaching. and if it must disappear - then so be it, that is the
> cycles
> >>of
> >> >time. secondly, each person has a right to follow his or her religion
> of
> >> >their choice. and if they wish to convert, then it is their personal
> >>issue.
> >> >
> >> >   however, i donot approve the way the evangelists go on about
> >>converting
> >> >people - by calling names of the hindu religion. the missionaries have
> >>all
> >> >right to preach about their religion, but they have no right to
> >>criticize
> >> >or degrade other people's religious beliefs or practices (which they
> >>always
> >> >do).
> >> >
> >> >   similarly, the muslims in this country always cry foul and try to
> >>show
> >>a
> >> >wounded heart, and anything that hurts the muslims, they simply get
> >>angry
> >> >and start blaming the system and the majority community, and the
> >> >governments, which continue to condone an errring child. this ofcourse
> >>was
> >> >the reason for the rise in anti-muslim sentiments amongst the rest.
> they
> >> >want to have a seperate civil code, but will they accept the rest of
> the
> >> >law of the islam like in Saudi Arabia, where a rapist will be stoned
> or
> >> >hanged to death, or a thief's hands are cut off? when there have been
> >>cases
> >> >of molestation by fathers and brothers of their own minor girl
> children
> >>in
> >> >my city, then it was all hushed up and noone spoke of these things. it
> >>is
> >>a
> >> >fact, that double standards exist amongst the muslims. today, they ask
> >>for
> >> >special reservations, but they don't send their girls to school. if
> they
> >> >remained in the ghettos it was partly their own making. they do not
> wish
> >>to
> >> >acknowledge their flaws.
> >> >
> >> >   it is the same with us, the Hindus, we have failed to uplift our
> own
> >> >people, we have failed to eradicate the caste system and bring
> >>egalitarian
> >> >society, we treat our own people as third-rate citizens and then we
> say,
> >> >they should "feel proud to be hindus" and punish them for "converting
> to
> >> >other religions". we have not allowed the free flow of knowledge...and
> >> >today we are paying the price of it.
> >> >
> >> >   it is this that i wanted to say ...there are flaws amongst all of
> us.
> >> >let us stop generalising and start to look inwards than outwards...let
> >>us
> >> >have the courage to face the truth about ourselves and call a spade a
> >> >spade.
> >> >
> >> >   regards
> >> >   saraswati
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >Vedavati Jogi <vrjogi at hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> >   saraswati, i appreciate your letter, but one thing i did not
> >>understand.
> >> >why
> >> >are you equating rss with nazis? has rss ever killed any muslim just
> >> >because
> >> >he is a muslim? they talked against gandhiji's muslim appeasement
> policy
> >> >which ultimately resulted into partition of india. nathuram happened
> to
> >>be
> >> >the member of rss but the latter had never deputed him to assasinate
> >> >gandhi.
> >> >
> >> >muslims partitioned india but we don't look upon all muslims as
> >>traitors,
> >> >same way you should not hold rss responsible for nathuram's deeds. i
> >> >request
> >> >you to first understand their views and then pass such type of
> remarks.
> >> >
> >> >vedavati
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > >From: saraswati
> >> > >To:
> >> > >CC: >Subject: [Reader-list] Communalisation by Media
> >> > >Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 03:58:22 -0700 (PDT)
> >> > >
> >> > >Dear Mr. Roger Das,
> >> > >
> >> > > I am wondering whether highlighting only certain facts will reflect
> >>the
> >> > >truth.
> >> > >
> >> > > Communalisation by media, it may be true in some quaters. if the
> >>media
> >> > >forgetting Mohammed Rafi, equals to communalisation of Media, then
> >>what
> >> > >does the eugolisation of Shah Rukh Khan, day in and day out, amount
> >>to???
> >> > >That special episodes are made on Amir Khan and today, Saif too has
> >> >become
> >> > >the darling of the media. And so has his sister. And then in that
> case
> >>no
> >> > >one should be using Irfan Pathan as an advertisement Idol. Why is AR
> >> > >Rahman, the uncrowned king of the music world - not because he is a
> >> >Muslim,
> >> > >but because he is the best. And let me tell you, His song, "Sat
> rangi
> >>re"
> >> > >from Dil se and "piya haji ali" are the best of his compositions
> >> >according
> >> > >to me. My sister used to listen to "piya haji ali" every night
> before
> >> >going
> >> > >to sleep, while she was pregnant, because she wanted her child to
> >>imbibe
> >> > >the spiritual feelings that come from that song.
> >> > >
> >> > > by the way, i am from that so-called upper caste community of
> >>brahmins.
> >> > >
> >> > > Please do not make a mountain of the mole hill. It is true that
> >>muslims
> >> > >have been seen with suspicion due to the effects of partition in
> some
> >> > >quarters. But then, so is it a fact, that most of our Bollywood big
> >>stars
> >> > >have been Muslims for many decades, even in days after partition, we
> >>had
> >> > >Suraiyya and Yousuf Khan AKA Dilip Kumar who were given a cult
> status
> >>by
> >> > >the people of this country.
> >> > >
> >> > > Ofcourse, Yousuf Saab, did make remarks in Pakistan against India
> >>when
> >> > >he went to receive an honour in Pakistan, is another matter, that no
> >>one
> >> > >mentions. It was reported in the Week, many years ago.
> >> > >
> >> > > It is a fact, abberations are there. But there are two sides to the
> >>same
> >> > >coin. Just as all Germans are not Nazis, so are not all Hindus, RSS
> >> > >sympathisers.
> >> > >
> >> > > In fact, while I was in school, we never bothered who was a hindu
> or
> >>who
> >> > >was a muslim. we all ate together from each others lunch boxes, and
> my
> >> > >parents never taught us to be intolerant- my first best friend was a
> >> >Muslim
> >> > >girl, and today I have very close friends who are from Pakistan, one
> >>is
> >> > >from the Azad Kashmir (as they call it) and my father always took us
> >>to
> >> >the
> >> > >Dargah in the outskirts of Hyderabad. and this is no exception.
> there
> >>are
> >> > >tons of such cases.
> >> > >
> >> > > please kindly, do not stoke anger by constantly GENERALISING,
> >>applying
> >> > >facts that belong only to certain sections of the society to the
> >>Society
> >> >at
> >> > >Large.
> >> > >
> >> > > Most importantly, let us not forget where the problem arises... yes
> >>it
> >> > >is a fact, that caste based discrimination continues in this
> country,
> >> > >especially in rural areas, so also, it continues among both
> converted
> >> > >christians and muslims too... both religions which preach
> egalitarian
> >> > >treatment too all its peoples' have not been able to remove the
> caste
> >> > >discrimination which continued even after conversions...
> >> > >
> >> > > we will be able to change things, if we, each one of us, looks
> >>inwards
> >> > >at the flaws in our own individual systems and try to correct them,
> >> >rather
> >> > >than always trying to throw stones at others....
> >> > >
> >> > > let us set our own homes in order first....
> >> > >
> >> > > Let us try to build a nation, away from the rifts that were created
> >>by
> >> > >the Colonisers.
> >> > >
> >> > > Let us not forget that Azim Premji, shot up to the top position as
> >>the
> >> > >richest INDIAN, in this very country.
> >> > >
> >> > > If discrimination was really so much against the minority
> community,
> >> > >they would not have been seen anywhere in the public sphere, like
> the
> >>way
> >> > >it is with the minority communities in Pakistan or Bangladesh.
> >> > >
> >> > > Regards
> >> > >
> >> > > Saraswati.Kavula
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >From: rgdj12 at yahoo.com
> >> > >To: reader-list at sarai.net,
> >> > >arkitectindia at yahoogroups.com,feedback at hindustantimes.com,
> >> > >thestatesman at vsnl.com
> >> > > ttedit at abpmail.com, toical1 at indiatimes.com, editor at ibnlive.com
> >> > > >Subject: [Reader-list] Communalisation by Media
> >> > > >Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2006 02:26:25 -0700 (PDT)
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > >Sir,
> >> > > > In this communal driven country even media is running on the path
> >> > >of
> >> > > >partiality especially when it the question of Indian Muslims
> >> > >ahcievement
> >> > > >arises. yesterday it was the birth anniversary of wonderful
> >> > >singer-actor
> >> > > >Kishore Kumar and eevery news channels, hindi and bengali, aired
> >>nice
> >> > > >programme on the late singer. It was good to have such programme
> in
> >> > >the
> >> > > >midst of these political drama that happens everyday. And on 30th
> >>July
> >> > >NDTV
> >> > > >carried an hour programme on S.D.Burman, the famous music
> composer,
> >>to
> >> > > >celebrate his anniversary. But sad to say that media has sidelined
> >>the
> >> > > >death or birth anniversary of the legend versatile singer, Md.
> Rafi.
> >>I
> >> > >was
> >> > > >desparately switching the channels to watch some programme on the
> >> > >death
> >> > > >anniversary of Md. Rafi, on 31st july but in vain. No news
> channels
> >> > >even
> >> > > >bother to carry just a spot on him. certainly only one inference
> >>comes
> >> > >out
> >> > > >of it and that is the religion. Being a devout msulim Md. Rafi has
> >>not
> >> > > >given due respect in media whereas singers
> >> > > > and music composers, his contemporaries and juniors noticed on
> >> > >television
> >> > > >in some way or other just because they are non-muslims. I have not
> >> > >seen any
> >> > > >especial coverage of any Indian Muslim dignatories of any field.
> >>This
> >> > > >established a fact that almost all the media are owned by upper
> >>caste
> >> > >hindu
> >> > > >groups and managed by hindus who least bother to consider Indian
> >> > >Muslim
> >> > > >acheievers as real treasures of the country. Thus it create new
> and
> >> > >deep
> >> > > >rift between Muslim and hindu, it is very unfortunate that media
> is
> >> > >also
> >> > > >running on the path of communalism and favouring non-muslims. Hope
> >> > >this
> >> > > >letter will find place in your esteemed newspaper.
> >> > > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
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