[Reader-list] How someone "well connected" got RIK screening Cancelled

[Pawan Durani]

Thank you Rahul . I wish people can understand your message.

Pawan


On 8/27/07, Rahul Asthana <rahul_capri at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Corrections to my post:
> Sanjay Kak is the name of the person..and the movie
> was not banned but prevented by Police to be
> screened.I apologise on posting without reading the
> full details.But the basic issue still stands.viz.Is
> the nation justified in preventing from screening
> \banning some forms of expression?
>
>
> --- Rahul Asthana <rahul_capri at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Jeebesh,Shuddha or any other champion of freedom of
> > expression,
> > I really want to understand where you guys are
> > coming
> > from and I think it is very necessary for the people
> > of the country that we get at the bottom of
> > this,because you guys reflect the opinion of a lot
> > of
> > people in the media.
> > A nation is defined by certain underlying
> > principles.Those principles are not that are subject
> > to amendment by legislation.So,for example,Iran is
> > an
> > Islamic democracy.Its the underlying principle of
> > the
> > state and even if 99% want to be secular,there is no
> > process in the framework by which Iran can become
> > secular,unless of course,there is a civil war and
> > some
> > bloodshed, in which case,anything is possible.
> > India is a secular democracy.To anyone who wants to
> > create a Hindu/Muslim/Christian nation;does not have
> > a
> > constitutional way to accomplish this.Violence of
> > course is always a recourse.The principle of
> > immutability of borders is one of the principles
> > which
> > is inherent to the existence of every nation
> > state.India is no exception.As far as I know,no
> > nation
> > gives a constitutional process to redraw its
> > borders.
> > So,the only course followers of such an intention
> > have
> > is violence,terrorism etc.
> > So,the facts of the case are this,Amitabh Kak made a
> > movie enabling the ideology which is against the
> > basic
> > underlying principles of  the nation.It was banned.I
> > do not see your problem with this.Now of course,the
> > fact that the movie did enable that ideology or
> > not,can be argued.but not that it shouldnt be
> > banned.
> > You guys may have risen above the concept of nation
> > religion etc, but nation itself,by definition,cant
> > rise above the definition of itself.
> > (I think this is a simple statement,dont know why it
> > comes out so convoluted;perhaps my English is not
> > good
> > enough.Anyway..)
> > So to ask the nation to allow freedom of expression
> > on
> > ideologies which go against its underlying
> > principles
> > and which if enabled,can only lead to violence and
> > strife,is like asking a primary school to use "We
> > dont
> > need no education" as its morning prayer.
> > To further illustrate my point,I think Amitabh Kak's
> > background or financier is irrelevant here.So is the
> > traumatic roleplaying that Jeebesh was subjected
> > to.If
> > a group of old ladies in a village in Kerala
> > suddenly
> > decide that they want a separate country and start
> > distributing pamphlets,I would support confiscating
> > the pamphlets and giving them adequate
> > punishment.Freedom of Expression my foot!
> > Jeebesh/Shuddha,lets try to convince each other.I
> > believe its very important.
> > Hoping to hear from you
> > Best,
> > Rahul
> >
> > --- Kshmendra Kaul <kshmendra2005 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Jeebesh
> > >
> > >   The pain in your words is touching. The pathos
> > in
> > > your questions will move the coldest of hearts.
> > >
> > >   Aahhhhhh! no one left to argue with and
> > convince.
> > > Alas! this deep fear and inability to live with
> > > disagreements. Woe on this desire of people to
> > > satiate their rage. Curse those trying to restrain
> > > our intellectual lives.
> > >
> > >   Jeebesh your traumas need attention. Let's do
> > some
> > > role-playing with you as the protagonist.
> > >
> > >   It was a small world, a village of sorts where
> > > everyone knew everyone else. Close cousins were
> > > called "my brother" and "my sister", other than
> > > parents and grandparents, every adult was an
> > "uncle"
> > > or "aunt".
> > >
> > >   In it lived Jeebesh. In the last of his teens or
> > > maybe just past them but really a child as most
> > > young men were in those seemingly but largely
> > > uncorrupted surroundings. For long years (some say
> > > since many a centuries from the past) they
> > retained
> > > the innocence of Trust and Hope.
> > >
> > >   SK also lived there or at least today he claims
> > > to. SK is Jeebesh's "cousin". Everyone in your own
> > > age group was a "cousin" if you could not trace
> > out
> > > some other close relationship.
> > >
> > >   18 years back an Exodus of Jeebesh's people took
> > > place. Everyone knew everyone else.
> > >
> > >   Jeebesh knows they had not known enough. The
> > > terrain had parted and lake-seas receded, the
> > > volcanoes had gone quiet. No one had recognised
> > the
> > > signs of upheavals that were to come.
> > >
> > >   For Jeebesh today, memories of those times are a
> > > whirling blur of images and sounds. They would
> > drive
> > > him mad if he could afford to lose his sanity:
> > >
> > >   - Jeebesh's sister was picked up and raped and
> > > left abandoned.
> > >   - Another sister was raped and killed after
> > that.
> > >   - Another sister was raped and killed but they
> > > mutilated her breasts.
> > >   - Jeebesh's mother was not spared either.
> > >   - Jeebesh remembers his father hanging dead on a
> > > tree
> > >   - He remembers the corpses of young and old and
> > of
> > > male and female riddled with bullets
> > >   - Most of all he remembers the fear in the eyes
> > of
> > > those around him.
> > >   - He remembers the loudspeakers blaring hate
> > > messages from places meant for worship.
> > >   - He remembers his own fears reflected in the
> > eyes
> > > of those around him.
> > >
> > >   Inspite of that "Trauma List", for 16 years
> > after
> > > those days, Jeebesh tried to put his life together
> > > in new surroundings. He whined every now and then,
> >
> > > he sobbed in the loneliness of alien lands. He met
> > > up with tiny groups to recount happy memories and
> > > sing songs of his Lost Land, if they could.
> > >
> > >   Not many in the New Land seemed to acknowledge
> > > that Jeebesh existed. Jeebesh led a quiet
> > existence.
> > > Jeebesh's existence had been quietened.
> > >
> > >   In the 17th year of the Exodus, Jeebesh's
> > "cousin"
> > > SK made a film. Jeebesh got to know about it.
> > >
> > >   SK's film eulogised those responsible for
> > > Jeebesh's 'Trauma List". Self confessed
> > perpetrators
> > > of some cases and supporters of other murderers
> > and
> > > rapists. SK's film celebrated them and their call
> > > for "Aazadi".
> > >
> > >   SK forgot that in the seeking of "Hurriyat"
> > > (Freedom) lay their merry-go-round of barbarianism
> > > that was Jeebesh's whirling blur of images and
> > > sounds from his "Trauma List".
> > >
> > >   Will Jeebesh try to have the screening of SK's
> > > film stopped? What will Jeebesh's decision be?
> > >
> > >
> > >   Kshmendra Kaul
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Jeebesh Bagchi <jeebesh at sarai.net> wrote:
> > >   On 25-Aug-07, at 8:14 AM, rashneek kher wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > > We
> > > > filed a complaint and since Sanjay Kak is
> > breaking
> > > the law of the
> > > > land by
> > > > screening a movie which does not have necessary
> > > censor certificate,
> > > > the
> >
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