[Reader-list] How someone "well connected" got RIK screening Cancelled

Mon Aug 27 19:04:05 IST 2007

Please revert back to the topic of discussion and abstain from attacking
someone personally.This is a public list. If you have something against an
individual, I think it would be in all our interest that you post a mail to
him and not disgrace yourself so openly.

On 8/27/07, Kshmendra Kaul <kshmendra2005 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Dear Aman
>
>   Let me start with a piece of friendly advice. Do not represent yourself
> as a "journalist". You are a sorry specimen. I will substantiate it.
>
>   1. You find yourself incapable of "verifying Rashneek's sequence of
> events". What a "journalist" you are Aman. One would think that it is NTK
> information or that you have to pull out a Battle Plan from the Ministry of
> Defence.
>
>   2. You suggest that Rashneek might be "simply lying". You are willing to
> risk that judgement without having any supportive information or evidence to
> reach it. Quite a "journalist" you are Aman.
>
>   3. You taunt me with """"" Further, to then congratulate the said author
> for brilliant
> "investigative work" seems a trifle premature"""""
>
>   Aman, I have re-read my posting and do not see myself having
> congratulated anyone for """brilliant "investigative work".
>
>   So Aman, for you, a "distortionist" might be a better tag than
> "journalist"
>
>   4. I agree with you Aman, some homework must be done , especially by a
> presumed "journalist"
>
>   It is interesting that you admit that the likes of Aman will be
> "reduced" to "laughing hyenas". "Reduced" perhaps aptly describes your
> comeuppance. Inadvertent admission?
>
>   Did you know Aman that the hyenas "laugh" is described as the equivalent
> of a dog's "bark"? Do you still see yourself evolving journalistically into
> a "laughing hyena"?
>
>   The most delightful story about "laughing hyenas" (that you Aman aspire
> to be) is from African folklore:
>
>   """"When the Creator returned he was very angry with the hyena for
> destroying the beautiful steenbok and he took a burning log from the fire
> and shoved it up the hyena's rear. The hyena howled and he rushed off into
> the bush in his shame and despair.
>
>   And the hyena is still so ashamed and sorry for his mistake that he
> cannot even cry and his tears come out as desperate laughter."""""""
>
>
>   Kshmendra Kaul
>
>
>   Aman Sethi <aman.am at gmail.com> wrote:
>   Dear Kshmendra,
>
> I have no qualms with Rashneek, Nishant Dudha, or even you, writing
> what ever you please about what ever you please. However, there is no
> way of verifying Rashneek's sequence of events - or to be more blunt -
> to verify if the author of the report is simply lying.
>
> Further, to then congratulate the said author for brilliant
> "investigative work" seems a trifle premature. Further, to use a open
> medium like this list to cast aspersions on someone's motives -
> without once more, providing anything other than a series of
> conjectures- is irresponsible.
>
> Thank you suggesting a journalistic method by which to prove rashneek/
> nishant's reportage - however, the onus is not on me as a reader to
> verify the authenticity of a report. The onus on reporter to convince
> me of the truth of his claim. In this case Rashneek/ nishant have not
> succeeded in doing so.
>
> At present, the information put out by Rashneek sounds like a spoilt
> 10 year old complaining to his school teacher. Which could explain why
> it is so hard to take him seriously.
>
> I would urge you to read, write, and inform as many as you can,
> especially since you seem to be such an articulate and intelligent
> person. However, as a professional "word howler" hyena" i would
> suggest that you do a spot of homework before you sit down at your
> computer. Otherwise we "scavenging hyenas" might be reduced to
> laughing hyenas.
>
> Best, as always,
> Aman
>
> On 8/26/07, Kshmendra Kaul wrote:
> > Aman
> >
> > For a "journalist" you are quite vague. Is that by design or is it a
> > compulsion arising out of your not having anything concrete to say?
> >
> > What is the "he said, she said" in Rashneek's 'report' (Nishant Dudha's
> > rather)?
> >
> > Rashneek seems to have narrated a sequence of events and stated
> questions
> > arising from them. What is it that you find objectionable?
> >
> > Rashneek is not a journalist (are you Rashneek?). He has spoken with
> passion
> > about his pain. Yet, he has managed to present rationally his
> experience.
> > "Rashneek's report" did not even state his conclusion. He put it up as a
> > question to be answered "Is Indian intelligentsia Liberal or
> Hypocrite?".
> >
> > You Aman, since you have thrust your "journalist" tag in our faces
> should
> > have 'investigated' and presented your reporting of 'what exactly
> happened'.
> > If you did that and if you carried no preconcieved notions and biases,
> you
> > Aman would have ended up with a lot of "he saids" and "she saids". That
> > would be journalism.
> >
> > Aman your derision " It is indeed tragic that he expects to be taken
> > seriously" is nothing but the word-howl of a scavenging hyena.
> >
> >
> > Kshmendra Kaul
> >
> > AFTERTHOUGHT: Many "Journalists" are extremely uncomfortable with the
> > ability of individuals to express themselves and reach readerships
> without
> > having to go through the "As reported by XXX" journalistic route. It
> > threatens the arrogance of their presumed role of being the only ones
> who
> > should report/inform.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Aman Sethi wrote:
> > As as journalist, i have always had a, perhaps misplaced, suspicion of
> > blogmedia. While blogmedia and list-servs have done some fantastic
> > work, what is saddening is how texts based on a series of loosely
> > worded conjectures pass off as investigative work. Of course an even
> > mildly critical viewing of our news channels and news media will
> > reveal the same conjectures passed off as news - usually when it
> > concerns matters of national security, separatism, and of course,
> > jihad. So perhaps i should retract my previous statement.
> >
> > Rashneek's report seems to consist of little beyond a "he said, she
> > said." In fact, he admits to as much in his "pre-emptive" post. It
> > is indeed tragic that he expects to be taken seriously.
> >
> > It would be interesting to view Pawan Durani's list of financiers. It
> > would be even more interesting to know where he gets his lists from.
> >
> > Best
> > A.
> >
> > On 8/25/07, Pawan Durani wrote:
> > > Thank you Fatima ...though it was someting "in between " .
> > >
> > > Jebeesh , what more can you expect from amateurs who unlike Sanjay Kak
> ,
> > do
> > > not have backing of people like Yasin Maliks ....( I hope I am
> > > safe)......and financers whose name i am going to reveal in few days.
> > >
> > > Its Good to be liberal...but it is dangerous to ignore the facts
> > >
> > > Pawan Durani
> > > www.thekashmir.wordpress.com
> > >
> > >
> > > On 8/25/07, S.Fatima wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Sorry to butt into this, but maybe calling the police
> > > > is a more innocent reaction than getting someone's
> > > > screening cancelled and being able to get one's own
> > > > film at the exact same time/date/space (IF this claim
> > > > is true, that is).
> > > > The rage seems to be on both sides.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- Jeebesh Bagchi wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > On 25-Aug-07, at 8:14 AM, rashneek kher wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > We
> > > > > > filed a complaint and since Sanjay Kak is breaking
> > > > > the law of the
> > > > > > land by
> > > > > > screening a movie which does not have necessary
> > > > > censor certificate,
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > Police did the rest.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Did this move satisfy the rage in you?
> > > > >
> > > > > Can testimonies of suffering justify these kinds of
> > > > > invitation to
> > > > > policing of our intellectual lives?
> > > > >
> > > > > Isn't taking recourse to punitive action an ally of
> > > > > our deep fear to
> > > > > live life with disagreements?
> > > > >
> > > > > If police is brought in to intervene, will there be
> > > > > people left to
> > > > > argue with and convince?
> > > > >
> > > > > best
> > > > > jeebesh
> > > > >
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