[Reader-list] FW: gujrat election

Tue Dec 25 10:45:58 IST 2007

My dear Vedavati,When you say "modi  does not 'reserve' seats  instead he
talks about '5 crore gujratis (including bc/obcs/muslims)' . he does not
equate soharabuddin & common muslims, hence he does not hesitate to take
stern action against the former because he knows that will not hurt muslim
sentiments anyway." I don't think there are any sentiments left after brutal
rape, violence and torture. When the soul is killed and when you have to
live in duress under a 'secular rule' where each day you are reminded that
you 'are Muslim' (irrespective of whether that is your primary identity or
not), you think there can be any sentiment or voice left? What do you have
to say to the fact that all 'Muslims' who participated in the 1992-93 riots
in Bombay were punished by the judiciary but no action was taken against the
'Hindus' who committed violences because Maharashtra government under amoeba
Deshmukh felt that doing so will result in mass violence? I am sure this is
a very peaceful and secular state to be in,one where even when there are no
sentiments, they are assumed to be aligned.
In peace,
Zainab (gujju ben)

On Dec 24, 2007 11:32 AM, Vedavati Jogi <vrjogi at hotmail.com> wrote:

>  dear zainab,
>
> 'india is a secular country and will remain a secular country only because
> of majority community (that is hindus)'. otherwise 99% muslims who had voted
> for pakistan in 1947 would not have dared to stay  in india after partition.
> they chose to stay back because their daily bread & butter was here not
> because they were supporting 'secularism'.
>
> congress too followed british policy of divide & rule after 1947.
> they gave reservations to bc, obcs, by reserving few thousands of seats
> they fooled crores of bcs & obcs and divided hindus.
>
> there are many towering personalities from muslim community in india like
> dr. kalam, bismilla khan, zakir hussain, shahruhk, amir khan, irfan pathan,
> amjad ali and many more... all of them come from ordinary background and
> are very very popular among hindus. still congress & left parties talked
> about descrimination, indirectly gave the slogan of 'islam khatareme hai' ,
> showed carrot of 'suchhar' to muslims to keep their muslim vote bank
> intact.  they can't hang afzal guru because that might hurt muslim
> sentiments.
>
> modi  does not 'reserve' seats  instead he talks about '5 crore gujratis
> (including bc/obcs/muslims)' . he does not equate soharabuddin & common
> muslims, hence he does not hesitate to take stern action against the former
> because he knows that will not hurt muslim sentiments anyway.
>
> this secularism practised by congress & likes has always been at the
> expense of hindus. terrorists are attacking temples & trains still -congress
> is talking about 'liberalism', they create hue & cry when person like
> soharabuddin is killed. they have talked a lot about 'gujrat' killings what
> about 'kashmiri pundits'?
>
> gujjubhais  have proved that hereafter hindus cannot be taken for granted.
> that is why it is their victory!
>
> vedavati
>
>
>  ------------------------------
> Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2007 20:04:12 -0800
> From: chanchal_malviya at yahoo.com
> Subject: Re: [Reader-list] gujrat election
> To: bawazainab79 at gmail.com
> CC: vrjogi at hotmail.com
>
>
>  Hi,
>
> You need to understand a simple thing - it is Hindus who are facing the
> problem of communalism on their own motherland..
> Narendra Modi is a strong Hindu supporter... And when I say Hindu, it is
> to be understand that the world Humanity is already enveloped in it..
> So, when Narendra Modi has won it is Hindus who have won.. in other words,
> it is humanity that has won..
>
> Muslims has yet to prove their nationalist approach..Muslims gather in big
> mass when there is anything related to their religion...
> But there is not a single movement by Muslims when Hindus get killed in
> Terrorist attacks...
> Muslims shout like anything for 2002 riot... But none has ever said a word
> about Nandigram, Kashmir or Achalpur (Oct 2007 riot)...
>
> Whenever Muslims will come on Road to declare that Terrorist are Muslims
> but not Quranic followers, whenver Muslims would do some roadshow to make
> the world realize that Terrorist and Muslim are two different set of
> people.. Whenever Muslim would oppose what is written on irf.net that all
> Muslims are terrorists and they should be proud of it.. Whenever Muslims
> will understand that crime is to be dealt with law and not religion.... THEN
> Narendra Modi's win would be all people's win...
>
> Don't you think that India is secular because it yet contains majority of
> Hindus... can you say Kashmir is secular.. we will soon know West Bengal
> becoming another Kashmir..
> Why is that wherever Muslims exists (and if there is no strict law to
> handle them)..there is killing, hatred and voilence...
>
> Muslims have to rethink on their learnings of Quran... Declaring Quran as
> words of God and then putting killing into action in the name of same God is
> not justifiable.. For hundreds of years this is what is happening through
> our Muslims brothers... It is they who have intruded in the nation of
> Hindus, Hindus have not gone into Arabia to indulge into what they used to
> do there....  Yet, Hindus call them brothers...  The day Muslim will start
> calling Hindus as brothers... the day Muslims would start respecting the
> mother (cow) of their brothers.. the Muslim would join the festivals of
> their brothers...  the secularism would meet its meaning....
>
> Muslims have to realize that 2002 riot would not have taken place, had
> Godhra would not have taken place...
> Muslims have to realize that Vande Matram and Jai Hind is what is expected
> from their month....
>
> I hope I am clear on why Hindus believe Narendra Modi's win is Hindus
> win...
>
> Jai Hind,
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Zainab Bawa <bawazainab79 at gmail.com>
> To: TaraPrakash <taraprakash at gmail.com>
> Cc: reader-list at sarai.net; Vedavati Jogi <vrjogi at hotmail.com>
> Sent: Monday, December 24, 2007 8:34:38 AM
> Subject: Re: [Reader-list] gujrat election
>
> Hi Vedavati,Thanks for the forceful clarification. I am still a bit
> unclear
> as to why Modi's victory is a victory for Hindus? as for formation of
> Hindu
> votebanks, there are several of them across the country and as you
> yourself
> have accepted that just as all Gujjus are not Hindus, so also all Hindus
> are
> not Hindus.
> I really apologize for my dimwitedness and my inability to understand your
> claim that Modi's victory is a victory for Hindus. Are you suggesting that
> Modi's victory is now a step ahead in the formation of 'Hindustan'?
> Again, apologies for nagging you.
> Cheers,
> Zainab (confused gujju ben)
>
> On Dec 24, 2007 1:30 AM, TaraPrakash <taraprakash at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Isn't it rather a defeat of Hindu forces? Ask Praveen Togadia. Ask the
> > RSS members discontented with Modi. Ask the guy giving Modi "Brahmin ka
> > shaap" for getting his son murdered. Will another Hindu terrorist Advani
> > be
> > happy with the results? Is Uma Bharati pseudo secular or pseudo communal
> > for
> > floating her own party against BJP?
> > The fight in Gujarat was a fight between Hindus and Hindus if Hindus
> have
> > won, Hindus have
> > lost too. So your victory gets canceled. Evil wins and evil loses.
> > May be you will be more careful before putting your foot in to your
> mouth
> > next time.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Vedavati Jogi" <vrjogi at hotmail.com>
> > To: <reader-list at sarai.net>; <tapasrayx at gmail.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2007 12:20 AM
> > Subject: [Reader-list] gujrat election
> >
> >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > whether it is a victory for bjp or for modi....its a  useless
> question.
> > > its a victory for hindus. and i hope it will be an eye opener for
> psudo
> > > seculars!
> > >
> > > you can't always divide hindus & rule. thank you gujjubhais for
> showing
> > > the world that when hindus unite, hindu vote bank too can be formed!
> > >
> > > vedavati
> > >
> > >
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