[Reader-list] gujrat election

[Vedavati Jogi]

riots took place in 1992-93 and gujrat killings happened in 2002, but what about those thousand years when muslims killed, looted, raped hindus, what about 1947 when they partitioned bharat which is supposed to be their motherland too.  have you ever met any 1947 refugee ? have you ever tried to understand problems faced by them? 
 
whether you accept it or not hindus have shown great magnonimity in allowing muslims to stay in this country after 1947. how many times muslims have reciprocated? can you tell me one example?- have they allowed their hindu brothers to build ram temple in ayodhya on the place where babri structure stood? 
 
do they accept uniform civil code? are they ready to sing 'vande mataram?'
 
you go & ask dr. abdul kalam whether he has faced any discrimination because of his religion. shabana azami or javed akhtar who keep complaining against socalled discrimination, have got maximum no. of filmfare awards. 
 
still why this false propaganda? 
 
i am not saying that hindus in gujrat should take revenge of muslims, because i know 'eye for eye will make this whole world blind'. 
what is bothering me is this type of secularism at the expense of hindu sentiments is causing great harm and unfortunately poor innocent muslim has to bear the brunt. > Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2007 23:58:05 +0530> From: vivek at sarai.net> To: vrjogi at hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [Reader-list] gujrat election> > Vedavati,> > To clarify-- the symmetry I speak of refers to the remarkable similarity > (in opposite directions), in rationale and strategy, between right-wing > terroristic hinduism and right-wing terroristic islamism. Whether or > not a given state supports or sponsors or bankrolls your particular > brand of terrorism or not is a separate issue.> > You want to take revenge for what was done to the Kashmiri Pandits. > Don't you understand that radical Muslims will want to take revenge for > what was done to Muslims in Gujarat? > > I ask you again, where do you expect this will end? Where do you expect > these fantasies of taking revenge will land us? Answer me.> > Vivek> > Vedavati Jogi wrote:> > vivek,> > > > this hatred arises due to 'asymmetric' secularism.> > > > otherwise there is no difference between ordinary hindu & ordinary > > muslim. i am a maharashtrian married to a kashmiri hindu. there is a > > huge difference between our respective cultures even though both of us > > are hindu brahmins coming from same socio-economic class.> > > > but to my great surprise there is not much difference between kashmiri > > hindu & kashmiri muslim. before 1989 my husband says there was no > > enmity between two communities, instead he had many muslim friends in > > his college.> > > > but after 1989, hindus became refugees in their own country.actually > > its a shame on all of us. but none of our prime ministers got time to > > visit their camps in jammu or delhi. there is no succhar committee, no > > economic package , no budget allocation for these refugees. our > > secular politicians are ready to 'talk' to 'terrorists' who have > > (1)killed hindus including our military men, (2)pulled down temples, > > (3)burnt houses of hindus ( our ancestor's property too has met with > > the same fate ).> > i can give many examples of this type of asymmetric secularism which > > has its roots in gandhian philosphy.> > > > many hindus have sofar opposed ways of narendra modi, but there is not > > a single muslim who has raised his voice against this asymmetric > > secularism. > > > > hindus are now in no mood to show magnonimity towards terrorists like > > soharabuddin or afzal guru hence they are in no mood to vote for those > > politicians who support these terrorists just because they happen to > > be muslims . > > > > if you visit tehelka or rediffmail websites you will find that > > majority of hindus are now wholeheartedly supporting modi.> > > > when communal riots break out, its an ordinary innocent muslim (and > > not tista settlewad or shabana azmi) who is at the receiving end. > > politicians & socalled seculars remain safe in their own houses.> > > > they must now introspect & try to understand the reasons behind > > modi's victory.> > > > vedavati> > > > > >> > > Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2007 19:11:58 +0530> > > From: vivek at sarai.net> > > To: bawazainab79 at gmail.com> > > CC: vadhimoolam at gmail.com; reader-list at sarai.net; vrjogi at hotmail.com> > > Subject: Re: [Reader-list] gujrat election> > >> > > Vedavati,> > >> > > When I think of this event, I feel a great sadness. Narendra Modi's> > > victory will be the biggest ideological boon for those who hate us. He> > > will be the *cause* of many terrorist events over the next five years.> > > Yes.> > >> > > But let us think twice about the word "terrorist". It is a stupid and> > > inaccurate word. What we have here are two world views that hate each> > > other but are, not coincidentally, symmetrical in their design. It's> > > two opposing revenge-fantasies, in fact. Just think what the logical> > > end of that could be.> > >> > > Vivek> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Zainab Bawa wrote:> > > > Dear Vetri,I am sure Vedavati has a point to make when she says > > that Modi's> > > > victory is victory of the Hindus/victory to the Hindus. I think if > > Vedavati> > > > can explain her point, it will be of great help.> > > > Cheers,> > > > Zainab (gujju ben)> > > >> > > > On Dec 23, 2007 11:28 AM, Vetrivel Adhimoolam > > <vadhimoolam at gmail.com> wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > >> Victory for Hindus? I can't help but bursting in to laughing! > > Joke of the> > > >> twenty first century. Interestingly, such jokes are being cracked > > in this> > > >> forum. Terms like sudo-secular is hardly going to hurt sensible> > > >> intellectuals.> > > >>> > > >> Vetri.> > > >>> > > >>> > > >> ----- Original Message -----> > > >> From: Vedavati Jogi> > > >> To: reader-list at sarai.net ; tapasrayx at gmail.com> > > >> Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2007 12:20 AM> > > >> Subject: [Reader-list] gujrat election> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >> whether it is a victory for bjp or for modi....its a useless > > question.> > > >> its> > > >> a victory for hindus. and i hope it will be an eye opener for psudo> > > >> seculars!> > > >>> > > >> you can't always divide hindus & rule. thank you gujjubhais for > > showing> > > >> the> > > >> world that when hindus unite, hindu vote bank too can be formed!> > > >>> > > >> vedavati> > > >>> > > >>> > > >> _________________________________________________________________> > > >> Tried the new MSN Messenger? It's cool! 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