[Reader-list] gujrat election

Wed Dec 26 14:18:57 IST 2007

There are huge breaking force acting on our Nation
1. With the influence of foreigh missionnaries and investors, Science is taking tool to introduce concepts like Sex Education in Children - the target is next generation should be destroyed. Current generation has already met the target of not respecting the nation and running heedlessly towards whatever they like. they cannot withstand pressure, nor are the brave enough to take bold decisions. they want money and they want wine and girls around in the name freedom.

2. Govt. policies like Reservations are breaking the nation to pieces, separating people from people. 
3. Chrisitian missionnaries are converting the Hindus to Christians at a ver fast pace
4. Muslims are being intruded (from Bangladesh in particular) in all parts, increasing their population so as to become the majority and declare the nation as Islamic state
5. Foreign investments from Islamic state are continuously buying lands through local Muslims
6. Charas, Ganja, Afeem, other drugs along with Arms and Ammunitions are being continuously coming across Pakistan and Bangladesh borders. Arms are provided to Islamic groups and Naxals. Drugs are provided to sex educated children of careless parents.
7. Muslims are in target of Islamic conversions, continuously marrying Hindus girls - Hindus girls are not able to understand that it is they who are converted to Islam and the boy is never accepting Hinduism - Why? If it was love, we would have found conversions in this field happening in both area.
8. Indian intellectuals are continuously exported to Foreign countries (IIT, IIM, and all good institute students), ensuring that they do not work for India
9. Export of our Food Items is increasing when prices are hiking in our own country.
10. Poverty now seem to be the property of minority alone - when actually, no minority is under poverty - most of them are on target to achieve this nation as a group.

There are so many things happening in this nation from years. And now there is only one agenda - kill Hinduism, ask the Youth to be secular and attack Hinduism - because Hindus destroyed is India taken over. 

Open your eyes, O Hindus - this is not a religion when you talk Hinduism. It is the only philosophy that is humanity. What you see as differences are actually political move to break the nation apart. Do not get moved by such irrationality. have the gut to see beyond the screen, have the intelligence to understand beyond what is highlighted in news.

Jai Hind,

----- Original Message ----
From: Vedavati Jogi <vrjogi at hotmail.com>
To: reader-list at sarai.net
Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2007 11:19:31 AM
Subject: Re: [Reader-list] gujrat election

what is meant by 'your beloved' country?
don't you stay in this country?
is your 'secularism' more important than nationalism?
are muslims 'bigger' than  country?> From: taraprakash at gmail.com> To: vrjogi at hotmail.com; bawazainab79 at gmail.com; chanchal_malviya at yahoo.com; reader-list at sarai.net> Subject: Re: [Reader-list] gujrat election> Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2007 10:29:25 -0500> > Why Pakistan? People have migrated to African countries, West Indese, > European countries, North American countries, South East Asian countries and > so many other nooks and corners of the world to get rid of your beloved > country. Are they all Muslims? If you yourself are not already abroad at the > moment, will not waste a second thought as soon as the opportunity comes > your way. So the majority of those who migrate, which religion they are? > Bharat mata ki jai.> On the other hand just consider the loving Hindus of Gujarat when they were > fighting with their hindu Maratha brothers, and slogan "Su che saru che> Joota le ke maru che" became infamous. Violence was the order of the day and > Muslims had
 no role to play in it. You must be another supporter of Shiv > Sena for their anti muslim rhetoric and for their pseudo patriotic > sentiments. How do you reconcile with their demand for non marathas to leave > Mumbai? Do they want only Muslims to go away?> Who will unite Hindus? Those who you think can do it are themselves divided > and after each other's blood just for the sake of the power. If I want to > join your camp who should I support Uma Bharati who brought BJP in to power > in MP with her hard core hindutva rhetoric and then left the party or Advani > who started rath yatra and polarized the voters, and had been dropping hints > that he should be the PM rather than ABV in unlikely event of BJP being > voted back to power? Has VHP fofrgiven Advani for calling Jinna secular? The > leadership of which RSS wing should I accept one who supports Modi? Vaghela? > Mehta? Maya Vati?> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Vedavati Jogi"
 <vrjogi at hotmail.com>> To: <bawazainab79 at gmail.com>; <chanchal_malviya at yahoo.com>; > <reader-list at sarai.net>> Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2007 1:42 AM> Subject: Re: [Reader-list] gujrat election> > > >> > my dear zainab,> >> > nobody has detained you here. if you don't find india a good place to live > > in you can anytime migrate to pakistan.> >> > muslims know how to complain, muslims know their rights well but they > > never understand their responsibilities.they never understand their own > > mistakes.> >> > (1)who had started 1992-93 riots? who first burnt karsevaks at godhra > > station?> > even after partitioning this country on religious basis muslims were > > allowed to stay in india, given equal rights rather more rights- was is > > not a magnonimity shown by hindus?> >> > id you reciprocate?> > did you allow your hindu brothers to build ram temple at the place where > > babri structure once stood?> >> > if you too are the sons of this soil,
 why do you have to look upon babar > > and not ram as your ancestor? babar was an invader. and i don't think any > > country on this earth has ever taken pride for invader's deeds.> > (2)you know it very well that madarasa educated child cannot compete with > > other children who are trained in secular schools. moreover nobody has > > stopped muslims from sending their wards to govt. run schools.still you > > send your chidren to madarasa and then complain that they don't get jobs > > anywhere because they are muslims,.... hence 'sacchar'.... hence demand > > for reservations..!> >> > (3)if muslim women are the poorest of the poor then that is because of > > your own personal laws. why don't you accept uniform civil code?> >> > (4)there are many towering personalities in various fields in india who > > are muslims and are very much loved by hindus. they never faced any > > descrimination just because they are muslims, then why this 'false > >
 propaganda' which separates you from main stream? think over it if > > possible.> >> > (5)you have rightly pointed out that no action has been taken against > > those hindus who participated in 92-93 riots, and i am sure in future also > > nobody even sonia becomes pm, will dare to take action against hindu > > culprits because these politician do everything to garner votes. why > > muslim appeasement? not for the betterment of muslims but for the sake of > > votes. now hindu votebank has been created in gujrat so nobody will dare > > to take action against 2002 culprits. this is politics!> >> > try to understand this. don't trust these politicians & seculars, instead > > trust your hindu brothers who are truely secualr if not provoked, join > > hands with them, join the mainstream for nation building.> >> > if you want muslim sentiments to be taken care of then try to care for > > hindu sentiments too.> >> > vedavati> >> >> >> >> > Date: Tue, 25 Dec
 2007 10:45:46 +0530From: bawazainab79 at gmail.comTo: > > vrjogi at hotmail.comSubject: Re: FW: [Reader-list] gujrat electionCC: > > chanchal_malviya at yahoo.com; reader-list at sarai.netMy dear Vedavati,> > When you say "modi does not 'reserve' seats instead he talks about '5 > > crore gujratis (including bc/obcs/muslims)' . he does not equate > > soharabuddin & common muslims, hence he does not hesitate to take stern > > action against the former because he knows that will not hurt muslim > > sentiments anyway." I don't think there are any sentiments left after > > brutal rape, violence and torture. When the soul is killed and when you > > have to live in duress under a 'secular rule' where each day you are > > reminded that you 'are Muslim' (irrespective of whether that is your > > primary identity or not), you think there can be any sentiment or voice > > left? What do you have to say to the fact that all 'Muslims' who > > participated in the 1992-93 riots in
 Bombay were punished by the judiciary > > but no action was taken against the 'Hindus' who committed violences > > because Maharashtra government under amoeba Deshmukh felt that doing so > > will result in mass violence? I am sure this is a very peaceful and > > secular state to be in,one where even when there are no sentiments, they > > are assumed to be aligned.> > In peace,> > Zainab (gujju ben)> > On Dec 24, 2007 11:32 AM, Vedavati Jogi <vrjogi at hotmail.com> wrote:> >> > dear zainab, 'india is a secular country and will remain a secular country > > only because of majority community (that is hindus)'. otherwise 99% > > muslims who had voted for pakistan in 1947 would not have dared to stay > > in india after partition. they chose to stay back because their daily > > bread & butter was here not because they were supporting 'secularism'. > > congress too followed british policy of divide & rule after 1947. they > > gave reservations to bc, obcs, by
 reserving few thousands of seats they > > fooled crores of bcs & obcs and divided hindus. there are many towering > > personalities from muslim community in india like dr. kalam, bismilla > > khan, zakir hussain, shahruhk, amir khan, irfan pathan, amjad ali and many > > more... all of them come from ordinary background and are very very > > popular among hindus. still congress & left parties talked about > > descrimination, indirectly gave the slogan of 'islam khatareme hai' , > > showed carrot of 'suchhar' to muslims to keep their muslim vote bank > > intact. they can't hang afzal guru because that might hurt muslim > > sentiments. modi does not 'reserve' seats instead he talks about '5 > > crore gujratis (including bc/obcs/muslims)' . he does not equate > > soharabuddin & common muslims, hence he does not hesitate to take stern > > action against the former because he knows that will not hurt muslim > > sentiments anyway. this secularism practised by
 congress & likes has > > always been at the expense of hindus. terrorists are attacking temples & > > trains still -congress is talking about 'liberalism', they create hue & > > cry when person like soharabuddin is killed. they have talked a lot about > > 'gujrat' killings what about 'kashmiri pundits'? gujjubhais have proved > > that hereafter hindus cannot be taken for granted.that is why it is their > > victory! vedavati> >> >> > Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2007 20:04:12 -0800From: chanchal_malviya at yahoo.com> > Subject: Re: [Reader-list] gujrat electionTo: bawazainab79 at gmail.comCC: > > vrjogi at hotmail.com> >> >> >> >> > Hi,> >> > You need to understand a simple thing - it is Hindus who are facing the > > problem of communalism on their own motherland..> > Narendra Modi is a strong Hindu supporter... And when I say Hindu, it is > > to be understand that the world Humanity is already enveloped in it..> > So, when Narendra Modi has won it is Hindus who have won..
 in other words, > > it is humanity that has won..> >> > Muslims has yet to prove their nationalist approach..Muslims gather in big > > mass when there is anything related to their religion...> > But there is not a single movement by Muslims when Hindus get killed in > > Terrorist attacks...> > Muslims shout like anything for 2002 riot... But none has ever said a word > > about Nandigram, Kashmir or Achalpur (Oct 2007 riot)...> > Whenever Muslims will come on Road to declare that Terrorist are Muslims > > but not Quranic followers, whenver Muslims would do some roadshow to make > > the world realize that Terrorist and Muslim are two different set of > > people.. Whenever Muslim would oppose what is written on irf.net that all > > Muslims are terrorists and they should be proud of it.. Whenever Muslims > > will understand that crime is to be dealt with law and not religion.... > > THEN Narendra Modi's win would be all people's win...> >> > Don't you think
 that India is secular because it yet contains majority of > > Hindus... can you say Kashmir is secular.. we will soon know West Bengal > > becoming another Kashmir..> > Why is that wherever Muslims exists (and if there is no strict law to > > handle them)..there is killing, hatred and voilence...> >> > Muslims have to rethink on their learnings of Quran... Declaring Quran as > > words of God and then putting killing into action in the name of same God > > is not justifiable.. For hundreds of years this is what is happening > > through our Muslims brothers... It is they who have intruded in the nation > > of Hindus, Hindus have not gone into Arabia to indulge into what they used > > to do there.... Yet, Hindus call them brothers... The day Muslim will > > start calling Hindus as brothers... the day Muslims would start respecting > > the mother (cow) of their brothers.. the Muslim would join the festivals > > of their brothers... the secularism would meet
 its meaning....> >> > Muslims have to realize that 2002 riot would not have taken place, had > > Godhra would not have taken place...> > Muslims have to realize that Vande Matram and Jai Hind is what is expected > > from their month....> >> > I hope I am clear on why Hindus believe Narendra Modi's win is Hindus > > win...> >> > Jai Hind,> >> > ----- Original Message ----From: Zainab Bawa <bawazainab79 at gmail.com>To: > > TaraPrakash <taraprakash at gmail.com>Cc: reader-list at sarai.net; Vedavati > > Jogi < vrjogi at hotmail.com>Sent: Monday, December 24, 2007 8:34:38 > > AMSubject: Re: [Reader-list] gujrat electionHi Vedavati,Thanks for the > > forceful clarification. I am still a bit unclearas to why Modi's victory > > is a victory for Hindus? as for formation of Hindu votebanks, there are > > several of them across the country and as you yourselfhave accepted that > > just as all Gujjus are not Hindus, so also all Hindus arenot Hindus.I > > really apologize for
 my dimwitedness and my inability to understand your > > claim that Modi's victory is a victory for Hindus. Are you suggesting > > thatModi's victory is now a step ahead in the formation of > > 'Hindustan'?Again, apologies for nagging you.Cheers,Zainab (confused gujju > > ben) On Dec 24, 2007 1:30 AM, TaraPrakash <taraprakash at gmail.com> wrote:> > > Isn't it rather a defeat of Hindu forces? Ask Praveen Togadia. Ask the > > > RSS members discontented with Modi. Ask the guy giving Modi "Brahmin ka> > > shaap" for getting his son murdered. Will another Hindu terrorist Advani> > > be> happy with the results? Is Uma Bharati pseudo secular or pseudo > > communal > for> floating her own party against BJP?> The fight in Gujarat > > was a fight between Hindus and Hindus if Hindus have> won, Hindus have> > > lost too. So your victory gets canceled. Evil wins and evil loses. > May > > be you will be more careful before putting your foot in to your mouth> > > next
 time.>> ----- Original Message -----> From: "Vedavati Jogi" < > > vrjogi at hotmail.com>> To: <reader-list at sarai.net>; <tapasrayx at gmail.com>> > > Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2007 12:20 AM > Subject: [Reader-list] gujrat > > election>>> >> >> >> >> > whether it is a victory for bjp or for > > modi....its a useless question.> > its a victory for hindus. and i hope > > it will be an eye opener for psudo > > seculars!> >> > you can't always > > divide hindus & rule. thank you gujjubhais for showing> > the world that > > when hindus unite, hindu vote bank too can be formed!> > > > vedavati> >> > > >> > _________________________________________________________________> > > > Tried the new MSN Messenger? It's cool! Download now.> > > > http://messenger.msn.com/Download/Default.aspx?mkt=en-in> > > > _________________________________________> > reader-list: an open > > discussion list on media and the city.> > Critiques & Collaborations > > > > To subscribe: send an
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