[Reader-list] gujrat election

Mon Dec 31 11:14:28 IST 2007

First of all, I am sorry if you are feeling that my speech was like an order with the usage of word 'Listen'
I used it because I felt you have not read my article in totality or you are not answering what I had quoted... 

But let us not be misguided by what you are or what I am...

Question and discussion here is not about one or two Muslims who have the gut to think beyond Quran.. My say that I would quote Quran was for those who live within Quranic boundary and owe some kind of terrorised mentality...

Anyway, I agree to your point of Religion and extend it further to say that Religions are also Regional, both having boundaries and both correct or wrong in their own region. Hence imposition of Islam and Christianity in India was across the Region and here lies the reason for big fight...

India has its own environmental conditions that gave birth to Sanatan Dharma (which nowhere talks about Religion at all unlike all other religions which talks only religion)... and that was correct and peaceful for people of this region... And that is what I am supporting and fighting for... and let me put my points what was the culture here, which need to be regained if India has to see peace again:

1. Vegetarianism was widely accepted dietary practice
2. Disciplined life (Getting up early, doing Yoga, in time eating habits, etc) was a practice of Ashram arrangement
3. Purity of food cultivation through natural fertilizers
4. Respect towards every elder, care for parents in their old age
5. commitment towards married partners with love and highest regard towards each other
6. Tinkle of Temple and Sweetness of Bhajans in Morning and Evening, keeping people highly peaceful
7. High philosophical and intellectual thinking
8. Business organization under Varna Arrangement

are few to name...

This is what India was... and this is what India need to be again...
This has nothing to do with Development of the Nation... Development and technology growth can go in parallel... But the life science of India has to be in Indian only... It should not be American or Arabic...  This is against nature and creating disbalance here... 

I am a firm believer that Terrorist cannot exist in any country unless they are supported by common Muslims... And all blasts taking place is a cordial effort of common Muslim population... Now I don't mean again that 100% of them... I simply mean, a common Muslim attitude to support this... they many not be directly involved in this... they may be even ignorant on this... but when it comes to they contributing to this, they are one... No doubt, Muslim is the most hated religion of the world now.. No doubt, whether it is east or west, Terrorist are give of Islam alone... In all other religion, notorious people are termed Criminals and dealt with law... But we never find Muslim protesting Terrorism anywhere in the world... and this is the true picture of a common Muslim...

This is not my hatred...this is my concern...
Because Muslim live with a fact that Mohammad was the last Prophet, which means they are ready to meet the end.. they belive in Judgement Day... and they are heading towards that... with all rules asking them to kill those who are not with them... The very belief that Quran is the last words, reflects that they will not allow the world to grow further and they will eventually demand end of everything...

May God save the world...  
May our common Muslim brothers come out of this hard boundary of game of death...
May they show some courage to respect the feelings of Hindus that lie in Cows...
May they come out to join hands with Hindus and say Jai Hind and Vande Matram...
May they come out with Solgans saying 'Terrorist - leave India'...
May God save the world...

----- Original Message ----
From: Zainab Bawa <bawazainab79 at gmail.com>
To: chanchal malviya <chanchal_malviya at yahoo.com>; reader-list at sarai.net
Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2007 11:12:14 AM
Subject: Re: [Reader-list] gujrat election

My dear Chanchal,

I stopped reading your email mid-way because all that it contains are rant and ranting. I am going reiterate a few points and close our conversation here because you are the one who does not seem to want to listen and you have clearly defined your position rather than reflecting on the exchanges that we have had. On the contrary you are ordering me all across your email to 'listen' which I read as intense anger and hatred and a non-listening position on your part: 

1). Religion is not books. If you are going to quote constantly from Quran and Bible and Vedas and Geeta and what not, you are frozen in some imagined past and time. 

2). "Hindu" and "Muslim" and "Christian" and "Jew" and whatever else are not religious categories, but social and cultural constructs. In my postings on the city in the past, I have tried to raise attention to this point that "Muslim" is a material practice located in the social, political and cultural context. Therefore, a "Ratnagiri Muslim" might be more similar to a "Ratnagiri Hindu" than being anywhere found in the Quran or the imagined understanding of "Islam".      

You can go on quoting surah on surah from the Quran and it will not make a difference to my skin because 'religion' is not the primary identity that I wear on myself. I am more than being 'Muslim'. 

Courage does not lie in accepting what you call 'hard facts'. It lies in self-reflexivity. Maybe some dosage of hard liquor is good to accept your 'hard' facts, which actually will go down well with the meat. 

Cheers and all the best,

Zainab

P.S. On your Hindu-Muslim, bhai and mai formulation, I have to tell my 'Hindu' 'Bengali' brother-in-law that we cannot be 'bhai-behen' and also tell my 'Hindu' 'Brahmin' 'Telugu' boyfriend that we cannot have any relationship. Will get back to you personally on that once I have heard from both of them. 

On Dec 30, 2007 9:34 AM, chanchal malviya <chanchal_malviya at yahoo.com> wrote:

Listen, what happens in riot is a different story. More than 1000 Muslims enclosing the train with weapons and burning more than 60 Hindus alive including children and women, is what caused Gujarat Riot. So, riot is a reaction and I agree even during Riot abuse of women is not acceptable by any means - if that has happened by a Hindu he is not a Hindu. 
Unlike this, we find Muslims simply taking actions against Hindu for following reasons
  - Hindu worshipping Idols
  - Hindu worshipping Cows
  - Hindu philosophy of God as manifestation
  - Quran teaches to destroy Hindus (Idol worshippers) and destroy with all harshness that is possible...

Now think again, before asking me for proof. Because next I will start quoting the Surah directly from the most authenticated Quran.

In Hinduism eating meat is categorized as Tamasika activity.. Hinduism is not a religion, as it don't talk about religion at all... It talks about man kind.. and hence non of the Hindu book contains name of any religion (not even Hindu).... So, Muslims way of life is simply Tamasika according to Life Science... 

As far as heat is concerned, let me tell you - all the saints of Hindus (those who are not cheaters) live in Himalays at temperatures less than -10 deg C, with the strength of Yoga... They eat raw vegetarian food (un cooked) and they emerge out with tremendous knowledge to share with the people of any nation... Have courage to listen to them.. they do not talk  religion (Unlike Mullahs whom I have often listed in Peace TV)...  Hindu saints talk about social health, moral strength, personality development, healthy living, and true concept of God in depth.... 

There is a basic difference in what you say and what you do...
If we pet cow, we worship them for their usefulness...
If you pet goat, your children even participate in ruthlessly killing it on Bakrid...

If we carve Stones, we create God out of it (beauty our of dullness)..
If you carve Stones, you create Shaitan out of it (pelting of stones at mecca)...

Now since so many years, Hindu temples are demolished in all Islamic regions inlcuding Kashmir (all Muslim countries).. Now don't ask authenticity of it.. the world knows it and many news channel have highlighted this including News channel of Pak..  
Barring Babri (where from 50 years Namaj was not being read), how many cases do you know of Hindu demolishing Mosques, when the reality is that most of the Mosques are build on Temples and in some Mosques it is even written that it is built on temple... If you require data, I will give you with pride.. 

Listen... 1000 years of love extended by Hindus have failed to convert Muslims... and there is no doubt about this that Muslims simply are heading towards majority where they can treat Hindus as they are doing in their country.. 
Muslims do not consider India as their nation - they never come out to say Jai Hind, Vande Matram.. 

And Muslims cannot be a brother of Hindus..

Bachpan se suna hai, Hindu Muslims bhai bhai
Arey mere bhai, jab tune mere Mai ko kat ke khai to kaisa bhai...

Muslims have already gained the reputation of terrorist throughout the world... They have yet to prove peace and love.. 
And I know, they will never.. because Quran teaches to kill and kill with brutality..
There is no tolerance in that religion... 

This is a hard fact... words cannot protect this...

Anyway, again this is not hatred... Pick up History and explore the reasons with Muslim majority... and you will yourself know the truth...

Rapes and murders in Hinduism is Crime and law directly deals with it... Unlike Muslim where a father in law rapes her daughter in law (Imrana case for example) and Muslim law make the girl wife of father in law... no punishment.. just award the women...  
What riot took place in Kashmir that around 1 lakh Hindu women are being used in Harem... 
Shall I quote from Quran what a Muslim is taught about Jannat (beautiful women for never ending sexual pleasure) and Killing Hindus would what provide them Jannat... 

Listen, have courage to accept truth.. have courage to say what is there in your Quran.. Have courage to accept that it is Quran that is creating Terrorists and it the same Quran that terrorists are being supported by common Muslim population (simply proven because no Muslim ever comes out to protest against Terrorism)...   Have courage to say at least what is there in Quran, after all it is what you read and worship...  Do not hide away from reality of Quran... If you wish I can start quoting your Quran... 

----- Original Message ----
From: Zainab Bawa <bawazainab79 at gmail.com >

To: reader-list at sarai.net; chanchal malviya < chanchal_malviya at yahoo.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2007 7:47:28 AM
Subject: [Reader-list] gujrat election

My dear Chanchal, 
I think we ought to, and I am saying ought to because it is very irritating to read statements that are not supported by facts and figures, but emerge out of what we 'believe' is the truth out there. I am sure that when you want to defend 'Hinduism' by pitting it against 'Islam', then you must be slightly scientific (if that is a term I may use) in making your defense. So let's get down to assess the statements that you make on 'women' in 'Hinduism' versus 'women' in 'Islam'.   

You have said: 

"2. For your information, the worst of our Culture - Ravana also didn't try to harm Sita mata against her wish - yet he is demon for many reasons... Unlike Islamic, who have made captive in Kashmir many Hindu women and misuing them, they export women from India to Arabic countries - do you think these are the work of terrorist alone... " - please give exact sources which substantiate the statement that you have made. I also need to research the figures (and if someone on the list can help me), but there are 'Muslim' women who are being and have been raped in 'Kashmir' by 'Indian' 'soldiers' and there have been women in Punjab who have been raped by 'soldiers', 'policemen' during the strife in Punjab and even now under a wonked version of patriarchy and a belief that women are sexual creatures to be devoured. There have also been 'Hindu' and 'Muslim' women raped in various riots across the country, by variously 'Hindu' and 'Muslim' men and 'women'. 

"3. Hinduism teaches to worship women.. We have every women of our house worshipped as Laxmi... Islam do not understand the meaning of worship also... They feel, God was foolish to create human and intelligent to create Muslims... God was foolish to write Vedas but intelligent to write Quran... God was foolish to create Hindus and intelligent to order Muslims to destroy Hindus... And God has given order to show barbarism agains Hindu women... God was foolish to ask Hindus not to invade any other country and remain peaceful and intelligent to ask Islam to invade Hindus and loot and kill them... " - please substantiate your statements here too. In Islam, Prophet Mohammed had only one daughter named Fatima. He chose her as heir because he wanted to show to the Arab world at that time that women can also be inheritors. Islam has not said don't respect women, treat them shoddily from what I know through my limited knowledge of Islam. But 'Islam' is not just
 the Quran and if you think so, then you are under delusion. This is true for 'Hinduism' which is not all the 'books'. Every 'religion' in material practice takes on different versions and meanings and also adapts to culture. So for example, my father and grandfather as much worship Laxmi, do chopra poojan at the time of the Diwali new year because they are traders and businessmen and yet, they happen to be what you will call them 'Muslims'. My father's storehouse during the riots was saved from burning because the mob saw pictures of Durga, Laxmi and Saraswati in there and thought the store house belonged to a 'Hindu'. If you fail to recognize that 'Hindu' and 'Muslim' are not homogenous categories, then you will also rant this way and 'believe' things to be a certain a way. (his office was burnt down though) Again I am saying, at the cost of being preachy if you may, that the hatreds in the world outside come from our own insides. Time we did a bit of
 soul searching and walking around for some 'fact' finding. 

 "God was foolish to ask Hindus to treat Cow as worshippable creature and ask Islam to slander both Cow and its protectors... If this is the thought driving every Muslim, how will they accept India as a mother... How will they consider Hindus as their brother... How will they consider peace as a humanity..." - I think time to do some fact finding about cow and cow slaughter too rather than be slavish to propaganda. I guess the poor in North India, whether "Hindu" or "Muslim", would out of compulsions of weather and poverty eat beef because mutton is too expensive and the weather demands eating fat to keep the body warm in the extreme cold.  

I am sorry... I am not writing anything out of hatred... - then blind ignorance? prejudice which is not the same as hatred? toxic times of india? 

In sisterhood,

Zainab 

Best regards,

----- Original Message ----
From: Vedavati Jogi <vrjogi at hotmail.com >

To: pawan.durani at gmail.com; oishiksircar at gmail.com; bawazainab79 at gmail.com; reader-list at sarai.net
Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2007 10:52:15 AM
Subject: Re: [Reader-list] gujrat election

oishik,
i have every right to express my views and i always express them in decent manner. never use filthy language. because i know what i am saying is correct and it is in the interest of the nation. 

when people like you cannot do logical thinking hence they use this language, this shows your level. 
vedavati 

Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2007 10:18:27 +0530From: pawan.durani at gmail.comTo: oishiksircar at gmail.comSubject: Re: [Reader-list] gujrat electionCC: ; vrjogi at hotmail.comOISHIK ...you stink 

On 12/25/07, OISHIK SIRCAR <oishiksircar at gmail.com> wrote: 

Dear Vedavati:Please shove your Hindu sentiments up your arse... take that from a Hindubrother of yours who had done that a long long time back... trust me it feels orgasmic... and once you get the hang of it... you'll keep doing itover and over again... shoving up the Hindu bullshit I mean...May be that should be your new year resolution...Good luck... OishikP.S.: Apologies to other reader-list users for the purposeful use of acertain kind of language (cannot say whether it is indecent or not)... Iknow we need to confront radicalism with reason... and not drivel... but I hope to be excused this time... for the sake of the holiday season!On Dec 25, 2007 2:38 AM, Zainab Bawa < bawazainab79 at gmail.com> wrote:> Dear Vedavati, > Thanks for a long response. I will definitely ask my Bengali 'Hindu'> brother-in-law (my blood sister's husband) what his sentiments are and how> I> can truly support him. But if he bangs the phone on me because he thinks I >> have
 lost my head, then I may need to ask for your help. I will also ask> my> Palakat Brahmin 'Hindu' ex-boyfriend from Kerala what his sentiments are> and> how I can truly support him but if he refuses to speak with me henceforth > because he harbours certain 'secular' (aiee pseudosecular) sentiments,> then> I may have to revert back to you. I shall also ask my variously 'Hindu'> colleagues in my Ph.D. programme if they have certain sentiments that I > can> support, I will certainly do that - by the way, there are Tamilians,> Kannadigas, Malayalis with me, each of whose kin and 'ancestors' harbour> different kinds of linguistic hatreds against each other, so perhaps I may >> have some task at hand in figuring out their sentiments, but surely I will> do what you have suggested.>> As for asking me to leave from here because no one has detained me, I> cannot > remember anywhere in my email where I have said I want to leave this> 'place'. For you, this 'nation'
 may be your place. For me, my hearth in> this> part of Bangalore is my 'place' as much as Bombay city is my 'place'. For > some of the folks at Sarai for example, Sarai is their 'place' that> happens> to be situated in 'Delhi' and some among them might own 'Delhi' as their> place while completely rejecting 'Delhi as the national capital place'. > 'Place' and the feeling of 'place' are not fixed notions and they emerge> from time to time. For instance my relative in Bharatnagar slum and her> neighbours who have  been living there for donkey's years are now being > 'displaced' because builders want to build large complexes there. Her> statements to me and some of my colleagues and friends was "this is my> place> and I am not going to leave it." I don't think they care about Hindustan > or> India or Bharat when they are being 'displaced' for some wonked, euphoric> imagination of the city.>> It is extremely easy for you and for some of the people on this
 list to > finally react and say 'go back to Pakistan' as if 'Pakistan' were the last> refuge for 'pseudosecular' 'non-compliant with mainstreamism' 'Muslims'.> Is> there anything beyond this that you can say? And what is that 'Pakistan' > that you are asking 'us' (though I strongly disagree with this) 'Muslims'> to> go to? What is your imagination of that Pakistan that you are 'condemning'>> 'us' to? >> Truly,> Zainab> P.S. You might want also perhaps refresh my memory of what Godhra riots> caused the riots in Mumbai. And also, how were the people of Mumbai> concerned with a temple being built in place of a mosque. I know for sure > that my father could not care whether a temple or mosque was being built.> All he cared about was his livelihood that was charred to rubble in Jan> 1993> for no position of his in a mandir-masjid issue. > P.S.2 I am not sure if Babar is really me ancestor. I don't have Persian> descent. I have some wonked Kutch-Gujarat
 descent/genes.>>> On Dec 25, 2007 12:12 PM, Vedavati Jogi < vrjogi at hotmail.com> wrote:>> >  my dear zainab,> >> > nobody has detained you here. if you don't find india a good place to> live> > in you can anytime migrate to pakistan. > >> > muslims know how to complain, muslims know their rights well but they> > never understand their responsibilities.they never understand their own> > mistakes.> >> > (1)who had started 1992-93 riots? who first burnt karsevaks at godhra> > station?> > even after partitioning this country on religious basis muslims were> > allowed to stay in india, given equal rights rather more rights- was is > not> > a magnonimity shown by hindus?> >> > id you reciprocate?> > did you allow your hindu brothers to build  ram temple at the place> where> > babri structure once stood? > >> > if you too are the sons of this soil, why do you have to look upon babar> > and not ram as your ancestor? babar was an invader. and i don't think> > any
 country on this earth has ever taken pride for invader's deeds. > >> > (2)you know it very well that madarasa educated child cannot compete> with> > other children who are trained in secular schools. moreover nobody has> > stopped muslims from sending their wards to govt. run schools. > > still you send your chidren to madarasa and then complain that they> don't> > get jobs anywhere because they are muslims,.... hence 'sacchar'....> hence> > demand for reservations..! > >> > (3)if muslim women are the poorest of the poor then that is because of> > your own personal laws. why don't you accept uniform civil code?> >> > (4)there are many towering personalities in various fields in  india who >> > are muslims and  are very much loved by hindus. they never faced any> > descrimination just because they are muslims, then why this 'false> > propaganda' which separates you from main stream? think over it if > possible.> >> > (5)you have rightly pointed out that
 no action has been taken against> > those hindus who participated in 92-93 riots, and i am sure in future> also> > nobody even sonia becomes pm, will dare to take action against hindu > > culprits because these politician do everything to garner votes. why> muslim> > appeasement? not for the betterment of muslims but for the sake of> votes.> > now hindu votebank has been created in gujrat so nobody will dare to > take> > action against 2002 culprits.  this is politics!> >> > try to understand this. don't trust these politicians & seculars,> instead> > trust your hindu brothers who are truely secualr if not provoked, join > hands> > with them, join the mainstream for nation building.> >> > if you want muslim sentiments to be taken care of then try to care for> > hindu sentiments too.> > > > vedavati> >> >> >> > ------------------------------> > Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2007 10:45:46 +0530> > From: bawazainab79 at gmail.com > > To: vrjogi at hotmail.com> > Subject:
 Re: FW: [Reader-list] gujrat election> > CC: chanchal_malviya at yahoo.com ; reader-list at sarai.net> >> >> > My dear Vedavati, When you say "modi  does not 'reserve' seats  instead> he> > talks about '5 crore gujratis (including bc/obcs/muslims)' . he does not > > equate soharabuddin & common muslims, hence he does not hesitate to take>> > stern action against the former because he knows  that will not hurt> > muslim sentiments anyway." I don't think there are any sentiments left > > after brutal rape, violence and torture. When the soul is killed and> when> > you have to live in duress under a 'secular rule' where each day you are> > reminded that you 'are Muslim' (irrespective of whether that is your > primary> > identity or not), you think there can be any sentiment or voice left?> What> > do you have to say to the fact that all 'Muslims' who participated in> the> > 1992-93 riots in Bombay were punished by the judiciary but no action was > > taken
 against the 'Hindus' who committed violences because Maharashtra> > government under amoeba Deshmukh felt that doing so will result in mass> > violence? I am sure this is a very peaceful and secular state to be > in,one> > where even when there are no sentiments, they are assumed to be aligned.>> > In peace,> > Zainab (gujju ben)> >> > On Dec 24, 2007 11:32 AM, Vedavati Jogi < vrjogi at hotmail.com> wrote:> >> > dear zainab,> >> > 'india is a secular country and will remain a secular country only> because > > of majority community (that is hindus)'. otherwise 99% muslims who had> voted> > for pakistan in 1947 would not have dared to stay  in india after> partition.> > they chose to stay back because their daily bread & butter was here not > > because they were supporting 'secularism'.> >> > congress too followed british policy of divide & rule after 1947.> > they gave reservations to bc, obcs, by reserving few thousands of seats > > they fooled crores of
 bcs & obcs and divided hindus.> >> > there are many towering personalities from muslim community in india> like> > dr. kalam, bismilla khan, zakir hussain, shahruhk, amir khan, irfan > pathan,> > amjad ali and many more... all of them come from ordinary background and> > are very very popular among hindus. still congress & left parties talked> > about descrimination, indirectly gave the slogan of 'islam khatareme > hai' ,> > showed carrot of 'suchhar' to muslims to keep their muslim vote bank> > intact.  they can't hang afzal guru because that might hurt muslim> > sentiments.> >> > modi   does not 'reserve' seats  instead he talks about '5 crore gujratis>> > (including bc/obcs/muslims)' . he does not equate soharabuddin & common> > muslims, hence he does not hesitate to take stern action against the > former> > because he knows that will not hurt muslim sentiments anyway.> >> > this secularism practised by congress & likes has always been at the> >
 expense of hindus. terrorists are attacking temples & trains still > -congress> > is talking about 'liberalism', they create hue & cry when person like> > soharabuddin is killed. they have talked a lot about 'gujrat' killings> what> > about 'kashmiri pundits'?> >> > gujjubhais  have proved that hereafter hindus cannot be taken for> granted.> > that is why it is their victory!> >> > vedavati > >> >> >   ------------------------------> > Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2007 20:04:12 -0800> > From: chanchal_malviya at yahoo.com> > Subject: Re: [Reader-list] gujrat election > > To: bawazainab79 at gmail.com > > CC: vrjogi at hotmail.com> >> >> >   Hi,> >> > You need to understand a simple thing - it is Hindus who are facing the> > problem of communalism on their own motherland..> > Narendra Modi is a strong Hindu supporter... And when I say Hindu, it is > > to be understand that the world Humanity is already enveloped in it..> > So, when Narendra Modi has won it is Hindus who
 have won.. in other> words,> > it is humanity that has won.. > >> > Muslims has yet to prove their nationalist approach..Muslims gather in> big> > mass when there is anything related to their religion...> > But there is not a single movement by Muslims when Hindus get killed in > > Terrorist attacks...> > Muslims shout like anything for 2002 riot... But none has ever said a> word> > about Nandigram, Kashmir or Achalpur (Oct 2007 riot)...> >> > Whenever Muslims will come on Road to declare that Terrorist are Muslims >> > but not Quranic followers, whenver Muslims would do some roadshow to> make> > the world realize that Terrorist and Muslim are two different set of> > people.. Whenever Muslim would oppose what is written on irf.net that> all> > Muslims are terrorists and they should be proud of it.. Whenever Muslims> > will understand that crime is to be dealt with law and not religion.... > THEN> > Narendra Modi's win would be all people's win...> >> >
 Don't you think that India is secular because it yet contains majority> of> > Hindus... can you say Kashmir is secular.. we will soon know West Bengal >> > becoming another Kashmir..> > Why is that wherever Muslims exists (and if there is no strict law to> > handle them)..there is killing, hatred and voilence...> >> > Muslims have to rethink on their learnings of Quran... Declaring Quran > as> > words of God and then putting killing into action in the name of same> God is> > not justifiable.. For hundreds of years this is what is happening> through> > our Muslims brothers... It is they who have intruded in the nation of > > Hindus, Hindus have not gone into Arabia to indulge into what they used> to> > do there....  Yet, Hindus call them brothers...   The day Muslim will> start> > calling Hindus as brothers... the day Muslims would start respecting the >> > mother (cow) of their brothers.. the Muslim would join the festivals of> > their brothers...  the
 secularism would meet its meaning....> >> > Muslims have to realize that 2002 riot would not have taken place, had > > Godhra would not have taken place...> > Muslims have to realize that Vande Matram and Jai Hind is what is> expected> > from their month....> >> > I hope I am clear on why Hindus believe Narendra Modi's win is Hindus > > win...> >> > Jai Hind,> >> >> >> > ----- Original Message ----> > From: Zainab Bawa < bawazainab79 at gmail.com >> > To: TaraPrakash < taraprakash at gmail.com >> > Cc: reader-list at sarai.net; Vedavati Jogi < vrjogi at hotmail.com >> > Sent: Monday, December 24, 2007 8:34:38 AM> > Subject: Re: [Reader-list] gujrat election> >> > Hi Vedavati,Thanks for the forceful clarification. I am still a bit > > unclear> > as to why Modi's victory is a victory for Hindus? as for formation of> > Hindu> > votebanks, there are several of them across the country and as you> > yourself > > have accepted that just as all Gujjus are not Hindus, so
 also all Hindus>> > are> > not Hindus.> > I really apologize for my dimwitedness and my inability to understand> your> >> > claim that Modi's victory is a victory for Hindus. Are you suggesting> that> > Modi's victory is now a step ahead in the formation of 'Hindustan'?> > Again, apologies for nagging you. > > Cheers,> > Zainab (confused gujju ben)> >> > On Dec 24, 2007 1:30 AM, TaraPrakash < taraprakash at gmail.com> wrote:> >> > > Isn't it rather a defeat of Hindu forces? Ask Praveen Togadia. Ask the> > > RSS members discontented with Modi. Ask the guy giving Modi "Brahmin> ka> > > shaap" for getting his son murdered. Will another Hindu terrorist > Advani> > > be> > > happy with the results? Is Uma Bharati pseudo secular or pseudo> communal> >> > > for> > > floating her own party against BJP? > > > The fight in Gujarat was a fight between Hindus and Hindus if Hindus> > have> > > won, Hindus have> > > lost too. So your victory gets canceled. Evil wins and
 evil loses. > > > May be you will be more careful before putting your foot in to your> > mouth> > > next time.> > >> > > ----- Original Message -----> > > From: "Vedavati Jogi" < vrjogi at hotmail.com>> > > To: <reader-list at sarai.net>; < tapasrayx at gmail.com >> > > Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2007 12:20 AM> > > Subject: [Reader-list] gujrat election> > >> > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > whether it is a victory for bjp or for modi....its a  useless> > question.> > > > its a victory for hindus. and i hope it will be an eye opener for> > psudo> > > > seculars!> > > >> > > > you can't always divide hindus & rule. thank you gujjubhais for> > showing> > > > the world that when hindus unite, hindu vote bank too can be formed! > > > >> > > > vedavati> > > >> > > >> > > > _________________________________________________________________> > > > Tried the new MSN Messenger? It's cool! Download now. > > > >
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