[Reader-list] Fwd :François Gautier ...

Sat Jun 16 08:06:30 IST 2007

because being an OUTSIDER he has written on the issue of kashmiri pandits.  since it is a sensitive and provocative issue for the Hindus , ......................

this statement shows the real colour of secularism in india.
kashmiri hindus have become refugees in their own country, this is a shame on politicians as well as we indians.  AND,
seculars who keep on cursing narendra modi and raking up gujrat issue again & again don't have time to go to refugee camps.  
moreover kashmiri pundits' issue is a sensitive issue only for hindus (as mentioned by you), it means, muslims are no way concerned with their kashmiri hindu brothers, right? 

Gotier is speaking the truth! his writing is an eye opener for hindus unfortunately that is falling on deaf ear!.

vedavati

> Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2007 00:35:46 +0530> From: delhi.yunus at gmail.com> To: sadiafwahidi at yahoo.co.in> CC: reader-list at sarai.net> Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Fwd :François Gautier ...> > DEAR ALL,> > I Dont know answers but all three ( hussain,Gautier,& salman) have> learnt the art (or science) of getting attention .> > Gautier has got good obseravation skills,infact great . probably thats> why he is good in playing with words and feelings of people . but I> am surprised to listen the sermon on democracy from him ( & the old> debate about politics) .> > Probably I should mention here that he has has recieved the> Nachiketa award of journalism from L.K.ADVANI ( and we will have all> our major roads and buildings named after him). because being an> OUTSIDER he has written on the issue of kashmiri pandits. since it is> a sensitive and provocative issue for the Hindus , he get large> numbers of supporters who cant afford to disagree because of their> ignorance.> > He has also put together an exhibition of paintings on aurangzeb,> interpreted from some where by some one with out mentioning the> actuals facts ( though the forum is know by FACT Fight Against> Contunity of Terrorsism)> thus he understands 'Democracy'...well and speaks the same language> as the great proponents of Hindutwa.( or probably it is just becasue> of his marriage with a Hindu lady).> > let us wait for another award for this great journalist.> > Long live the distorted history,> > > On 6/15/07, S Fatima <sadiafwahidi at yahoo.co.in> wrote:> >> > "Boring" and "trite", yes you've proved my point,> > Amitabh. We, who produce or consume "high" art, are> > too bored to go to the masses to explain what good art> > is. I can't think of any effort made by the serious> > contemporary artist to reach out to the people. And my> > remarks are not for Hussain alone - these are for the> > entire elitist art community which produces only for> > galleries which have to be reserved for a show several> > years in advance these days.> >> > I am sorry I am constantly taking this entire argument> > away from Gautier and friends, but my point (about> > education system) was to show that it is possible to> > spread the "awareness" however boring it may sound.> > One big example is our classical music (as abstract as> > modern paintings) which is being appreciated by more> > and more young people now thanks to SPIC-MACAY and> > other similar efforts. If classical musicians can talk> > to youngsters and inculcate at least some interest in> > them (although I may not agree with SPIC-MACAY's> > version of things), why can't painters go to the> > people.> >> >> >> > --- Amitabh Kumar <amitabh at sarai.net> wrote:> >> > > "If our education system had taught us how to> > > appreciate good> > > art, how to read a painting,.."> > >> > > I think blaming our education system is an argument> > > that borders the trite> > > and is screeching towards boredom.> > >> > > Q: Do artists disconnect from people/masses or is it> > > vice versa? What is> > > this disconnect and how can it be cured by> > > 'spreading awareness'?> > >> > > If Hussain's work instigates any reaction in a> > > person ( be it of anger,> > > enjoyment, fear, condescension... ) I think perhaps> > > a way to engage with it> > > would be to actually go and find out what is causing> > > that reaction. There is> > > little that can be achieved by way's of trying to> > > 'educate' the 'masses'> > > about contemporary art.> > > And to the best of my knowledge,this effort has> > > already been once made when> > > in the 80's the mayor of Bombay had publicly> > > displayed the works of Hussain> > > and other distinguished artists out in the open. The> > > artists would engage> > > with the 'common man' and the work would be> > > discussed.> > > Once again, the source of this information might be> > > a rumor.> > >> > > I, personally, am not a huge fan Hussain's work and> > > that has got nothing to> > > do with him painting a nude goddess or which> > > religion or creed he belongs to> > > or how much his work sells or the feeling of being> > > betrayed by his '> > > disconnected'-ness. It's an opinion that is informed> > > by my aesthetic> > > sensibilities. And what my notion of a good thought> > > provoking work is.> > >> > > Have all the provacation associated with Hussain's> > > come from within the work> > > or from sources outside ?> > > Sadly, all the provocation associated with Hussain's> > > work comes from outside> > > of it.> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > On 6/15/07, S Fatima < sadiafwahidi at yahoo.co.in>> > > wrote:> > > >> > > > Well, I mentioned about the education system and> > > the> > > > elitism - that's the answer. As long as Husain> > > > continues to paint for the drawing rooms of the> > > > billionares, he will continue to hide in London.> > > If> > > > some of our artists could go to the schools> > > holding> > > > workshops - even in RSS shakhas - to explain why> > > they> > > > paint what they paint, wouldn't that make a> > > > difference.> > > > You need to come down from your pedestal to bring> > > any> > > > change. You can't sit in the ivory towers and> > > blame> > > > the poor.> > > >> > > >> > > > --- Jeebesh Bagchi < jeebesh at sarai.net> wrote:> > > >> > > > >> > > > > On 15-Jun-07, at 12:37 PM, S Fatima wrote:> > > > >> > > > > > because they can't come to the street> > > > > > to explian why they wrote or painted what they> > > > > did.> > > > >> > > > > And how are we suppose to achieve this? Any> > > ideas?> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Download prohibited? No problem! 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