[Reader-list] fatima's response

[radhikarajen at vsnl.net]

     I have not been getting posted the sarai responses for almost two weeks now, for reasons best known to the administrators of the sarai. 
    May be they do not exactly like the way I putforth my thoughts of good governance and relevance of the governance and the citizens to rise above their communes of caste, faith and be humans first. ?
   For me faith is belief in good life, a way of life that gives me inner peace and has nothing to do with democratic life of the nation. Democratic life is rule of laws, with out fear or favour to any caste, any faith and common to all citizens in delivering good of rule of law in just and fair  form irrespective of the faith, caste or region of that citizen enabling every citizen to be part of development in the nation without depriving any section of the society.
  God for me is good of the society which is prevalent in all of the humans,irrespective of their faith in Ram, Rahim or christ. All faiths are ways of life to be guide to the person to be in good life.No faith is superior or inferior by numerical strength of its followers as it only denotes the willing followers of that path with belief that the path chosen for them is their way to be good in life.

  Regards, 
  radhikarajen at vsnl.net

----- Original Message -----
From: we wi <dhatr1i at yahoo.com>
Date: Saturday, November 10, 2007 12:44 pm
Subject: Re: [Reader-list] fatima's response
To: reader-list at sarai.net
Cc: sen.gargi at gmail.com, kshmendra2005 at yahoo.com, parthaekka at gmail.com, pawan.durani at gmail.com, rana at ranadasgupta.com, radhikarajen at vsnl.net, theunderscoredhood at gmail.com, shuddha at sarai.net, taraprakash at gmail.com, vrjogi at hotmail.com, vishal.rawlley at gmail.com, yasir.media at gmail.com

> 
> 
> we wi <dhatr1i at yahoo.com> wrote:    Vivek,
>     
>       What is the problem actually?  
>       Is the problem relies with posting shlokas? or 
>       writing argumentative mails? or 
>       posting many mails in a day? or 
>       talking sovereignty of India? 
>      Condemning false accusations and allegations about 
> historians and history?   
>      I am just a 3 month old member here.  Thats why confused a 
> bit.  Hope you can    
>      understand and eloborate on this.
>   
>  Regards,
>  Dhatri.
>   
>  
> 
> Vivek Narayanan <vivek at sarai.net> wrote:
>  
> Dear Fatima,
> 
> Thank you for your nuanced and considered note. Please note again 
> that 
> I am not speaking for anyone else but myself, certainly not as a 
> "voice 
> of Sarai". I don't think nuance is the privilege or preserve of 
> any 
> group, nor does it depend on education or decorum. Instead, it's a 
> certain warmth and hospitality, and a willingness to listen 
> carefully, 
> and to be considered in one's responses. Essentially, it is about 
> coming to the conversation in good faith, with love and with 
> thoughtfulness-- not with the intention to sabotage dialogue or 
> shout 
> down others. Most of all, if it becomes obvious that a reply has 
> been 
> dashed off in a couple of seconds and, moreover, five or seven of 
> those 
> replies are sent in the course of a single day, then I feel that 
> this 
> wastes my time and makes it difficult to find the mails on the 
> list that 
> are more carefully thought out.
> 
> So I disagree with you *completely* that such qualities would be 
> found 
> only among "elites at Sarai". These are protocols that one finds 
> with 
> many people on the street, regardless of their background and 
> access to 
> privilege. In fact, as you well know, on the Indian street, it is 
> often 
> the rich and privileged who tend to shout louder, for they fear no 
> reprisal. Right wing nationalists can feel secure in the knowledge 
> that 
> they have the support of the state behind them. I would not be 
> surprised if, in monitoring this list, there would be members who 
> would 
> not hesitate to report anyone they considered to be "anti-
> national" to 
> the authorities. This is the kind of insecurity that shadows our 
> conversations here--the question of what kinds of statements might 
> involve violent reprisals or legal censure, and so on; this is the 
> fragility of the discussions that have been built up on this list 
> over 
> the course of five or so short years.
> 
> Yes indeed, one is dedicated here to the vibrancy, variousness and 
> quirkiness of the street--with the caveat that all our members are 
> at 
> least privileged enough to have access to the internet. (Some 
> write so 
> often that they must almost certainly have their own full-time 
> dedicated 
> broadband.) Yet, it only takes a few goondas to suppress and drown 
> out 
> all the many conversations, trying to fill the space with only 
> their own 
> voices. In such instances, to renew our conversations, our 
> whispering 
> faith in each other, it may be necessary to shut out the bullies 
> for a 
> while. This would not be to pretend that those bullies don't 
> exist; 
> merely it would be to acknowledge that they don't have anything 
> new to 
> say. We have heard that shtick before.
> 
> But again: my mail was addressed only to those who already felt 
> the same 
> way as me, and who wanted a practical and efficient solution. We 
> have 
> very different positions on this question even at Sarai; some 
> agree with 
> me, some most certainly don't. Those who have the time and energy 
> to 
> stay tuned to the bullying and the threatening and the chanting of 
> shlokas and spells must please do so. I can even say I admire your 
> Gandhian equanimity. I, on the other hand, have other things to 
> do, and 
> I can't afford to spend my time fighting an endless war of 
> attrition, in 
> the trenches, with little or no gain from day to day, on the Line 
> of 
> Discursive Control (LODC), here on the reader list.
> 
> Warmly,
> Vivek
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