[Reader-list] fatima's response

Mon Nov 12 13:21:11 IST 2007

Dear all,
    it is not my even remote intention to question the rights of moderator and his approach to "moderate" the thoughts expresswed by members, for let me assure you, I am one of those that I may not agree with you, but I will defend the right of anyone to express his /her thoughts in the freedom of the society. This is true for the simple reason that right of expression in freedom of thoughts is more a need of the society, a civilised one, if the thoughts do not have the substance they sink without trace.. 
    In a society which has tasted the political freedom in 1947, but has not yet got the economic freedom, this is very important to have a healthy societal presence for the freedom in all spheres. This freedom is not free and it does not give license to impose views/ censor others views in society, as citizens we have,  along with freedom , a duty, to be responsible to the society that we live in.

   Regards,

  radhikarajen at vsnl.net.
----- Original Message -----
From: we wi <dhatr1i at yahoo.com>
Date: Monday, November 12, 2007 11:37 am
Subject: Re: [Reader-list] fatima's response
To: Iram Ghufran <iram at sarai.net>, reader-list at sarai.net
Cc: radhikarajen at vsnl.net, monica at sarai.net

> Dear Iram,
>   
>        You can address me as Dhatri .  Your response was quite 
> expected and Ok.  What exactly I mean about that CONCLUSION mails 
> was THE CC fields of my original mail and the SARAI publish DIFFER 
> IN number of ADDRESSES(More clearly instead of 17 addresses why 
> there was only 2 named with vrjogi and shudda? ).  Why and how, 
> who will be held responsible for this? (hope the moderator of the 
> list MONICA will answer this) 
>   
>  >>> Ideally your question should be addressed to the list 
> administrator and not to me. My >>>email was written as a response 
> to Radhikarajen's rather paranoic and accusatory >>>email.To quote 
> Radhikarajen:   
>  1) If that would be the case why my name appear on CC list to 
> your response to
>       Radhikararajen?  
>   Though it appear funny, looks quite amazing? (You only can 
> answer this surely.)
>   
>   
>  Regards,
>  Dhatri.
> 
> Iram Ghufran <iram at sarai.net> wrote:
>  Dhatri/We Wi
> 
> What can I say?
> 
> Are you implying that the list admin SUPPORTS vrjogi at hotmail.com 
> and 
> shuddha at sarai.net AS OPPOSED TO
> 
> bhatnagar_anamika at rediffmail.com, theunderscoredhood at gmail.com, 
> sen.gargi at gmail.com, indersalim at gmail.com, 
> adityarajkaul at gmail.com, 
> kshmendra2005 at yahoo.com, parthaekka at gmail.com, 
> radhikarajen at vsnl.net, 
> rana at ranadasgupta.com, rashneek at gmail.com, shuddha at sarai.net, 
> sadiafwahidi at yahoo.co.in, taraprakash at gmail.com, 
> vrjogi at hotmail.com, 
> vishal.rawlley at gmail.com, vivek at sarai.net, yasir.media at gmail.com ?
> 
> I think this is not possible.
> 
> Ideally your question should be addressed to the list 
> administrator and 
> not to me. My email was written as a response to Radhikarajen's 
> rather 
> paranoic and accusatory email.
> To quote Radhikarajen:
> 
> 
> >I have not been getting posted the sarai responses for almost two 
> weeks now, for reasons best known to the administrators of the sarai.
> > May be they do not exactly like the way I put forth my thoughts 
> of 
> good governance and relevance of the governance and the citizens 
> to rise 
> above their communes of caste, faith and be humans first. ?
> >
> 
> Now as most of us know, reader list was under some TECHNICAL 
> STRESS, 
> regarding which, an email was sent a while ago.
> Radhikarajen, obviously missed that email, so I forwarded it to 
> her/ him.
> 
> Coming to your question - "what do you say about the following" - 
> Well, 
> I say that its a technical gaffe, that your CURRENT posting made 
> it to 
> the list because I think it has html tags! Ideally it should have 
> been 
> held back for admin approval, unless it was the list admin who 
> cleared 
> your email.
> 
> Regarding your previous email (with the Subject Header - 
> Conclusion), 
> your recipient list is too long!! Again, your email should have 
> been 
> held back for admin approval. Possibly it was cleared by the list 
> admin 
> but the long recipient list didn't show up in entirety. This does 
> not 
> imply that these people did not receive your email! In fact they 
> probably received TWO copies - One from the Reader List and one 
> directly.
> The changes in the CC field are not changes - just some addresses 
> have 
> been scrubbed off! However, the technical team at Sarai and the 
> list 
> admin will know the workings better and will hopefully respond to 
> your 
> accusations.
> 
> Iram
> 
> PS: Dhatri - Please make efforts to read up on mailing lists - 
> their 
> functioning, protocols, technical aspects. It will save everyone a 
> lot 
> of time. Please 'dug it more' before clicking the send button. I 
> have a 
> feeling that you are finding it difficult to cope with an 
> unmoderated 
> space - you cant believe your luck that actually you can just 
> about say 
> anything that you wish to and get away with it. Please forward 
> your 
> emails which have not appeared on the list to the list admin, the 
> reader 
> list and to me. I am very curious to read what the list admin 
> seems to 
> have 'moderated'/ censored and Dhatri promises are meant to be 
> broken ;-)
> 
> 
> 
> we wi wrote:
> >
> > */Dear Iram,/*
> >
> > *//* 
> >
> > /* Vedavati,Radhika,Pawan and many more shouting in public 
> openly 
> > about the CENSORSHIP ,missing posts and receiving of messages. 
> Leave 
> > all of them, What do you say about the following?*/
> >
> > /**/ 
> >
> > /*The original message header that I posted to SARAI contain */
> >
> > *//* 
> >
> > To:reader-list at sarai.net and rest
> >
> > CC.
> >
> > 
> >
> > // 
> >
> > Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2007 04:37:07 -0800 (PST)
> > From: "we wi" View Contact Details View Contact 
> > Details 
> > Add 
> > Mobile Alert 
> > 
> >
> > Subject: Conclusion
> > To: reader-list at sarai.net
> > CC: 
> >
> > bhatnagar_anamika at rediffmail.com, theunderscoredhood at gmail.com, 
> > sen.gargi at gmail.com, indersalim at gmail.com, 
> adityarajkaul at gmail.com, 
> > Send an Instant Message 
> > kshmendra2005 at yahoo.com, 
> > parthaekka at gmail.com, radhikarajen at vsnl.net, 
> rana at ranadasgupta.com, 
> > rashneek at gmail.com, shuddha at sarai.net, Send an Instant Message 
> > sadiafwahidi at yahoo.co.in, 
> > taraprakash at gmail.com, vrjogi at hotmail.com, 
> vishal.rawlley at gmail.com, 
> > vivek at sarai.net, yasir.media at gmail.com 
> >
> > 
> >
> > 
> >
> > /*where as in SARAI PUBLISH of my original message , the header 
> contain*/>
> > /**/ 
> >
> > Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2007 04:37:07 -0800 (PST)
> > From: "we wi" View Contact Details View Contact 
> > Details 
> > Add 
> > Mobile Alert 
> > 
> >
> > To: reader-list at sarai.net
> > CC: vrjogi at hotmail.com, shuddha at sarai.net
> > Subject: [Reader-list] Conclusion
> >
> > // 
> >
> > / _*Compare the 2 message headers and*_ /*_Please note the 
> > CHANGES IN THE CC: FIELD. _*
> >
> > ** 
> >
> > I Don't wish to dug it more. 
> > Administering/moderating/censoring/editing whats going on ??? I 
> have 
> > a nil role in either media or art and not inters ted in them 
> because I 
> > never studied them. I have a purpose and that was served, hence 
> > thought to opt out but I just tried to stay back upon the people 
> > requests. Just reacted to mails which are cheeky and false 
> > interpretive. Found so many interesting and friendly people 
> around 
> > with different domains in r-list. Hence continued on the list. I 
> > would like to keep my promise so ...
> >
> > ** 
> >
> > // 
> >
> > // 
> >
> > */Regards,/*
> >
> > */Dhatri./*
> >
> > *//* 
> >
> > *//* 
> >
> > */Iram Ghufran /* wrote:
> >
> > Before jumping to hasty conclusions - it is advisable to write 
> to the
> > List Administrator. My guess is that you have been resubscribed by
> > now.
> > Best
> > Iram Ghufran
> > >>
> > >> On 10/30/07, *sushil at tetrain.com *
> > >> > wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Dear All
> > >>
> > >> "Some users of the reader-list are not getting mails. To rectify
> > >> this
> > >> issue we need to restore the list with backed up information. 
> This> >> activity will take place at 10:00 PM IST on 30th oct 
> 2007. It is
> > >> possible that some of you might not receive list postings; if
> > >> this is
> > >> the case, we request you to re-subscribe to the list. Please 
> email> >> me if
> > >> its difficult to subscribe online. Apologies for this technical
> > >> problem".
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >> .................................
> > >> Thanks And Warm Regards
> > >> Sushil Kumar Sharma
> > >> Sr. Linux Engineer
> > >
> >
> > radhikarajen at vsnl.net wrote:
> > > I have not been getting posted the sarai responses for almost
> > two weeks now, for reasons best known to the administrators of the
> > sarai.
> > > May be they do not exactly like the way I putforth my thoughts
> > of good governance and relevance of the governance and the
> > citizens to rise above their communes of caste, faith and be
> > humans first. ?
> > >
> > > radhikarajen at vsnl.net
> > >
> > >
> >
> 
> 
> 
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