[Reader-list] marseillaise (was Two Iqbals & One Fai[z]) re-posting

[yasir ~]

KK:

a variation it is (Raamesh Gowri Raghavan's) of the marseillaise more
than it is of faiz

but if the marseillaise (the french national anthem) is the music, it
should be sung by someone who is iqbal bano's match in representing an
era, piaf.  piaf singing faiz.

http://www.firstfoot.com/News/images/Edith Piaf - Marseillaise.mp3
(i cant tell if this is the real piaf or from the new movie on her. fred?)

cant help but note the marseillaise being slightly bloodier than faiz
or raghavan
http://www.elysee.fr/elysee/elysee.fr/anglais/the_symbols_of_the_republic/the_marseillaise/the_marseillaise.20352.html

and the absence of religious metaphor as in faiz's
'raaj karay gee khalq e khudaa' or as hard as that is to translate.
raaj karay gee : will rule
khalq e khuda : lit. creation of god - but also meaning the laity,
crowd, people, awaam

or, utthay ga analhaq kaa naara
the cry 'i am truth/god' will rise above (mansur hallaj was crucified
for this utterance)

i mean there is no mystery in this. no otherness. thats very nice. so
jan man gan is ok on that count.


best

yasir












On 9/6/07, Kshmendra Kaul <kshmendra2005 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Dear Yasir
>
> Long overdue. Didnt want to let it go.
>
> Fleetingly addressing ".....they both received a similar religious education
> while growing up in Sialkot - however apparently contradictory that sounds."
>
> For me there is not much of a contradiction. Both were revolutionaries. Both
> had a "sufi" bent of mind. Both seemed to celeberate "khudi".
>
> In my opinion the seeming contradiction might arise out of a limited
> understanding of Iqbal. More philosopher than "Islamist" (also more
> Philosopher than Poet). A purist (a Salafi???) who primarily stuck to the
> finest precepts from the "Quran" (somewhat a Parvaizi). A "Shikvah" is not
> the work of an ordinary soul subscribing to the "expected".
>
> In my opinion, Iqbal's politics (the egging on of Jinnah) was more towards
> "a Nation for Muslims" rather than an "Islamic (shariah) Nation". The 1940
> Lahore resolution and Jinnah's Constituent Assembly speech are just 2
> pointers.
>
> I am sure I sound quite disjointed. Khair.
>
> Thanks for Maniza Naqvi's translation of "Hum Daikhaingay". I thought the
> "anthem", the challenge, the rousing up, the defiance is missing.
>
> Here is an interesting 'variation' by Raamesh Gowri Raghavan. In his words:
>
>
> Here is a transcreation based on Faiz A Faiz's revolutionary Urdu nazm 'Hum
> dekhenge', and written to the metre of another revolutionary song, the
> Marseillaise.
>
> "Destiny"
>
> Fear no more my fellow countrymen
> The day we dreamed of has now come!
> Oh! See the vile ziggurats crumble
> Reduced to ignominous dust!
> Reduced to ignominous dust!
> Can you hear the revolution
> Rumble in the angry streets
> It thunders fire and lightning
> To strike the oppressors' nemesis!
>
> Our destiny is come
> The day given to us
> Arise! Arise!
> For the cast-iron pledge
> Must now be redeemed!
>
> Fear no more my fellow countrymen
> The day we dreamed of has now come!
> Look! From the temple of our faith
> The evil is now exorcised!
> The evil is now exorcised!
> The good are now restored to their
> High exaltations again!
> See the generals' stars stripped away
> And their thrones, their baubles destroyed!
>
> Our destiny is come
> The day given to us
> Arise! Arise!
> For the cast-iron pledge
> Must now be redeemed!
>
> Fear no more my fellow countrymen
> The day we dreamed of has now come!
> Only His name shall prevail:
> Who's Nobody, yet Everybody!
> Who's Nobody, yet Everybody!
> He Oversees, is the Overseen
> His reign shall persist forever!
> For He is I and He is You
> He is I and He is You!
>
> Our destiny is come
> The day given to us
> Arise! Arise!
> For the cast-iron pledge
> Must now be redeemed!
>
>
> The original by Faiz"-
>
> "Hum dekhenge
> Lazim hai ke hum bhi dekhenge
> Wo din ke jis ka wada hai
> Jo looh-e-azl pe likha hai
> Hum dekhenge
>
> Jab zulm-o-sitam ke koh-e-garan
> Rooi ki tarah ud jayenge
> Hum mehkoomon ke paaon tale
> Ye dharti dhad dhad dhadakegi
> Aur ahl-e-hukum ke sar oopar
> Jab bijli kad kad kadakegi
> Hum dekhenge
>
> Jab arz-e-Khuda ke kaabe se
> Sab butth uthwae jayenge
> Hum ahl-e-safa mardood-e-haram
> Masnad pe bithaye jayenge
> Sab taaj uchhaale jayenge
> Sab takht giraaye jayenge
> Hum dekhenge
>
> Bas naam rahega Allah ka
> Jo ghayab bhi hai hazir bhi
> Jo naazir bhi hai manzar bhi
> Uthega an-al-Haq ka nara
> Jo mai bhi hoon aur tum bhi ho
> Aur raaj karegi Khalq-e-Khuda
> Jo mai bhi hoon aur tum bhi ho
>
>
> Hum dekhenge
> Lazim hai ki hum bhi dekhenge
> Hum dekhenge"
>
>
> Kshmendra Kaul
>
>
> yasir ~ <yasir.media at gmail.com> wrote:
> I cannot but fail to note and be heartened that both sides (or as
> many) find inspiration in Faiz Ahmed Faiz and Muhammad Iqbal -
> Kshemendra quoting Niya Shivaalaa, Cashmeeri quoting Meray Dil Meray
> Musafir and Rashneek going back to Baang e Dara.
>
> Besides the Kashmeer connection it is not an unimportant note that
> they both received a similar religious education while growing up in
> Sialkot - however apparently contradictory that sounds.
>
> I will let Iqbal Bano sound it - Faiz's Hum Dekhenge. it becoming an
> anthem during the zia years.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6kiQjZePbc
>