[Reader-list] I apologise

Gargi Sen sen.gargi at gmail.com
Sat Sep 8 14:43:11 IST 2007 

Dear All,
I sincerely apologise for sending a comment in Hindustani without
translating it into English and leading to the deluge of comments without
translations.
My only defence is that while I think and speak in three languages I can
only write in one and i couldn't translate. Still I see that I must try and
translate, however badly, for everyone on the list to engage with the
thought or at least not publicly articulate the thought in a different
language.
Sorry about doing something without thinking through its implication and
consequences .
Gargi

On 07/09/2007, rashneek kher <rashneek at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Dear Friends,
>
> It is pointless to reply to such people...only answer to them is
>
> But humko kahee kaafir
> Allah ki marzi hai
>
>
> On 9/7/07, Pawan Durani <pawan.durani at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Dear Gargi of Puedo Intellectual ,
> >
> >
> > woh suna chuke hain humein apna faisla,
> > har sawal ka jawab sawal se dene wale
> >
> > kyon umeed karke udas karon khud ko,
> > jhooti ass banaee kwabon mein rehne wale
> >
> > teri nasseb mein hai sirf sohrat-e-harf,
> > nahi milenge lafzoon ko mehsoo karne wale
> >
> > woh laga gaye hain mujh par ilzam kya kya,
> > rooz fareb, hamesha se ghaat karne wale
> >
> > koun koun se zakmon ko chupaoon main,
> > itne gehre hain mere ghaw nahi chupne wale
> >
> > kya pyar karon ab to nafrat bhi nahi ati,
> > youn loot gaye humko humse bewafaee karne wale
> >
> > bech deta hai zamana masihon ko 'Nazeer'
> > rehbar he the Isa ko saleeb tak pohchane wale
> >
> >
> >
> > Hope you know the context in which the reply is sent ......and ofcourse
> > this
> > is not my couplet ,,,,,
> >
> > Pawan Durani
> >
> >
> >
> > On 9/7/07, Gargi Sen <sen.gargi at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Dear ARKP,
> > >
> > > Yeh kaisa dastan-e-tanhai hai yaron?
> > > Apke kahton me Rumi ko parhne ka ahsaas to hai lekin
> > > apke baton se Rumaniyat ki boo tak gayab?
> > >
> > >
> > > Apologies to the non-Hindustani speakers on the list as I am not
> > capable
> > > of
> > > translating into English my own words without signifying, and thereby
> > > collapsing, the subtle but significant difference between say 'boo'
> > and
> > > 'mehak' into smell.
> > >
> > > Gargi Sen
> > >
> > > On 07/09/2007, Rahul Asthana < rahul_capri at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi Kshmendra,
> > > > Faiz was a "dehria" communist,if you know what I
> > > > mean.Iqbal was an Islamist.Being a poet and a
> > > > philosopher is not contrary to being an Islamist.So,in
> > > > that sense,there can be no greater contrast.
> > > > Iqbal's philosophy of religious existentialism-
> > > > mard-e-momin, khudi etc was based on Islam.I do not
> > > > see the same celebration of "khudi" in Faiz.
> > > > Also,Iqbal was not sufi either.Iqbal wrote a lot in
> > > > Persian.Poetry in every language has a soul of its
> > > > own.When you write in Persian,you cant but help poets
> > > > like Hafez and Rumi whispering in your ear;and the
> > > > mysticism rubs off on you.That can be found in Iqbal
> > > > too.But,Iqbal's philosophy has nothing to do with
> > > > sufism.In fact,my impression is that in his dialog
> > > > Iblees o Jibrael, he is deriding sufis-
> > > > "Main khataktaa hoon dile yazdaan mein kaante ki
> > > > tarah,
> > > > tu faqat, alla hoo alla hoo ,alla hoo."
> > > > This IMO, is Nietzsche style existentialism.
> > > >
> > > > So,I really don't see much similarity in Faiz and
> > > > Iqbal besides the fact that they were the greatest
> > > > living Urdu poets of their times.
> > > >
> > > > regards
> > > > Rahul
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- Kshmendra Kaul < kshmendra2005 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Dear Yasir
> > > > >
> > > > >   Long overdue. Didnt want to let it go.
> > > > >
> > > > >   Fleetingly addressing ".....they both received a
> > > > > similar religious education while growing up in
> > > > > Sialkot - however apparently contradictory that
> > > > > sounds."
> > > > >
> > > > >   For me there is not much of a contradiction. Both
> > > > > were revolutionaries. Both had a "sufi" bent of
> > > > > mind. Both seemed to celeberate "khudi".
> > > > >
> > > > >   In my opinion the seeming contradiction might
> > > > > arise out of a limited understanding of Iqbal. More
> > > > > philosopher than "Islamist" (also more Philosopher
> > > > > than Poet). A purist (a Salafi???) who primarily
> > > > > stuck to the finest precepts from the "Quran"
> > > > > (somewhat a Parvaizi). A "Shikvah" is not the work
> > > > > of an ordinary soul subscribing to the "expected".
> > > > >
> > > > >   In my opinion, Iqbal's politics (the egging on of
> > > > > Jinnah) was more towards "a Nation for Muslims"
> > > > > rather than an "Islamic (shariah) Nation". The 1940
> > > > > Lahore resolution and Jinnah's Constituent Assembly
> > > > > speech are just 2 pointers.
> > > > >
> > > > >   I am sure I sound quite disjointed. Khair.
> > > > >
> > > > >   Thanks for Maniza Naqvi's translation of "Hum
> > > > > Daikhaingay". I thought the "anthem", the challenge,
> > > > > the rousing up, the defiance is missing.
> > > > >
> > > > >   Here is an interesting 'variation' by Raamesh
> > > > > Gowri Raghavan. In his words:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >   Here is a transcreation based on Faiz A Faiz's
> > > > > revolutionary Urdu nazm 'Hum dekhenge', and written
> > > > > to the metre of another revolutionary song, the
> > > > > Marseillaise.
> > > > >
> > > > > "Destiny"
> > > > >
> > > > > Fear no more my fellow countrymen
> > > > > The day we dreamed of has now come!
> > > > > Oh! See the vile ziggurats crumble
> > > > > Reduced to ignominous dust!
> > > > > Reduced to ignominous dust!
> > > > > Can you hear the revolution
> > > > > Rumble in the angry streets
> > > > > It thunders fire and lightning
> > > > > To strike the oppressors' nemesis!
> > > > >
> > > > > Our destiny is come
> > > > > The day given to us
> > > > > Arise! Arise!
> > > > > For the cast-iron pledge
> > > > > Must now be redeemed!
> > > > >
> > > > > Fear no more my fellow countrymen
> > > > > The day we dreamed of has now come!
> > > > > Look! From the temple of our faith
> > > > > The evil is now exorcised!
> > > > > The evil is now exorcised!
> > > > > The good are now restored to their
> > > > > High exaltations again!
> > > > > See the generals' stars stripped away
> > > > > And their thrones, their baubles destroyed!
> > > > >
> > > > > Our destiny is come
> > > > > The day given to us
> > > > > Arise! Arise!
> > > > > For the cast-iron pledge
> > > > > Must now be redeemed!
> > > > >
> > > > > Fear no more my fellow countrymen
> > > > > The day we dreamed of has now come!
> > > > > Only His name shall prevail:
> > > > > Who's Nobody, yet Everybody!
> > > > > Who's Nobody, yet Everybody!
> > > > > He Oversees, is the Overseen
> > > > > His reign shall persist forever!
> > > > > For He is I and He is You
> > > > > He is I and He is You!
> > > > >
> > > > > Our destiny is come
> > > > > The day given to us
> > > > > Arise! Arise!
> > > > > For the cast-iron pledge
> > > > > Must now be redeemed!
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >   The original by Faiz"-
> > > > >
> > > > > "Hum dekhenge
> > > > > Lazim hai ke hum bhi dekhenge
> > > > > Wo din ke jis ka wada hai
> > > > > Jo looh-e-azl pe likha hai
> > > > > Hum dekhenge
> > > > >
> > > > > Jab zulm-o-sitam ke koh-e-garan
> > > > > Rooi ki tarah ud jayenge
> > > > > Hum mehkoomon ke paaon tale
> > > > > Ye dharti dhad dhad dhadakegi
> > > > > Aur ahl-e-hukum ke sar oopar
> > > > > Jab bijli kad kad kadakegi
> > > > > Hum dekhenge
> > > > >
> > > > > Jab arz-e-Khuda ke kaabe se
> > > > > Sab butth uthwae jayenge
> > > > > Hum ahl-e-safa mardood-e-haram
> > > > > Masnad pe bithaye jayenge
> > > > > Sab taaj uchhaale jayenge
> > > > > Sab takht giraaye jayenge
> > > > > Hum dekhenge
> > > > >
> > > > > Bas naam rahega Allah ka
> > > > > Jo ghayab bhi hai hazir bhi
> > > > > Jo naazir bhi hai manzar bhi
> > > > > Uthega an-al-Haq ka nara
> > > > > Jo mai bhi hoon aur tum bhi ho
> > > > > Aur raaj karegi Khalq-e-Khuda
> > > > > Jo mai bhi hoon aur tum bhi ho
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >   Hum dekhenge
> > > > > Lazim hai ki hum bhi dekhenge
> > > > > Hum dekhenge"
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >   Kshmendra Kaul
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > yasir ~ <yasir.media at gmail.com > wrote:
> > > > >   I cannot but fail to note and be heartened that
> > > > > both sides (or as
> > > > > many) find inspiration in Faiz Ahmed Faiz and
> > > > > Muhammad Iqbal -
> > > > > Kshemendra quoting Niya Shivaalaa, Cashmeeri quoting
> > > > > Meray Dil Meray
> > > > > Musafir and Rashneek going back to Baang e Dara.
> > > > >
> > > > > Besides the Kashmeer connection it is not an
> > > > > unimportant note that
> > > > > they both received a similar religious education
> > > > > while growing up in
> > > > > Sialkot - however apparently contradictory that
> > > > > sounds.
> > > > >
> > > > > I will let Iqbal Bano sound it - Faiz's Hum
> > > > > Dekhenge. it becoming an
> > > > > anthem during the zia years.
> > > > >
> > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6kiQjZePbc
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