[Reader-list] Lists and assaults... How about a comic book?

[Pawan Durani]

What were the assault and what were the responses ?

P of AR2KP


On 9/11/07, gowhar fazli <gowharfazili at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> I am one more usually silent reader list. And this
> time I have a serious suggestion on the debate over
> Kashmir, Nationalism and Sanjay Kak that occupied
> prime space on this list over the last few weeks...
>
> Can we produce a comic book out of the assaults and
> the responses?  This could be in print as well as a
> soft copy...  I suggests it could be called an 'Idiots
> Guide to Fascism'  or alternately 'How to End Debates
> Manual' depending on which use you want to put it to.
>
> I don't think that this debate is useless or has
> side-tracked important survival (hunger, poverty etc)
> issues and should thus be abandoned.  These questions
> are in fact at the heart of our impotency in
> addressing the problems of survival.
>
> Besides the entertainment value, I think the debate
> has brought in some disarming public confessions of
> hate and produced some of the most brilliant responses
> on fundamental questions of identity.
>
> --- Jeebesh Bagchi <jeebesh at sarai.net> wrote:
>
> > Thanks Rana for beginning a reflective thread.
> >
> > This is probably a rare instance in the list, when a
> > big "event" is
> > not the center of discussion. List usually does well
> > with "big
> > events", as it ensures, that many drop in a few
> > lines about what they
> > feel, or what they oppose or what can be done etc. A
> > kind of public
> > positioning. (Beslan was an exception)
> >
> > But in this instance it was about our ordinary ideas
> > of how we think
> > our belonging, our social practices and ways of
> > being with others.
> > Unfortunately it became too narrowly 'indo-centric"
> > and thinking
> > about suffering became rhetorical. If this list can
> > produce some
> > serious thought on "suffering" and "being with
> > others' - and how we
> > deal with it in our ordinary life, it may contribute
> > to our
> > intellectual life in a substantial way.
> >
> > For me, the last few weeks have made me wonder, as
> > to how far a
> > thought can travel if it gets tied to polemics and
> > self-righteous
> > indignation. The loads of personal and historical
> > material that has
> > come to this list in this weeks is amazing, and i
> > hope that those
> > survive and does not get buried in the after taste
> > of polemics and
> > condemnation.
> >
> > Will think about your point on disgust.
> >
> > warmly
> > jeebesh
> >
> > On 08-Sep-07, at 4:30 PM, Rana Dasgupta wrote:
> >
> > > It's been an interesting few weeks on this list.
> > Some might say
> > > "We've
> > > never had it so good" - since there have been far
> > more posts, with far
> > > more responses, than usual.
> > >
> > > Others might feel that this has been the
> > Reader-list's lowest ever
> > > point
> > > - its usual solemn tone and good opinions giving
> > way to a running
> > > sit-com of ad feminam assaults.
> > >
> > > Given the seriousness of some of the issues at
> > stake, and the enormous
> > > gulfs of understanding between some of the
> > contributors, I have to say
> > > I've admired the restraint of many of the writers
> > on the list.  People
> > > have held themselves back from expressing outright
> > disgust, or from
> > > violent attacks.
> > >
> > > It seems that there's a sense that one can't say
> > just anything.  Or if
> > > one did, it would erode the fabric of the list.
> > People have to
> > > balance
> > > their own irritation or repugnance with a desire
> > to uphold the
> > > hospitality and vitality of the list.
> > >
> > > I think this says something very positive about
> > the culture of a list.
> > >
> > >
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