[Reader-list] On JKLF and Indian Airforce Personnel

[Partha Dasgupta]

Hi Pawan,

Interesting.

You say that the 'people of Kashmir welcome him with...'

Are you not counting yourself as a 'person of Kashmir'? And if you are, why
do you have any 'individual pain'

More importantly, what does this have to do with Junaid's post which talks
about the construction of the armed struggle?

Rgds, Partha
.........................

On 9/14/07, Pawan Durani <pawan.durani at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> And I can understand when a killer [ Bitta karate ] of 40 kashmiri pandits
> come out of jail, people in Kashmir welcome him with garlands and
> distribute
> sweet.
>
> Where does that imply bearing the individual pain collectively go ?
>
> All in the name of Supreme.
>
> Pawan
>
>
>
> On 14 Sep 2007 08:15:33 -0000, junaid <justjunaid at rediffmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > The Indian state has entered the bodies of Pawan Duranis and Aditya
> Kauls
> > imperceptibly. When Mr. Durani or Mr. Kaul speaks, it is the voice of
> state,
> > as the sole provider of values, which comes out. The State says "My
> violence
> > is my right, and my right alone, but anyone who challenges this right,
> that
> > is my sovereignty, she/he/they should be deemed criminal, fit only to be
> > eliminated through the laws that I make."
> >
> > So Mr. Durani, who has unconsciously become the spokesman of the state,
> > and regurgitates its litanies, would be confounded if someone punctures
> his
> > seemingly coherent discourse by refusing to accept the legitimacy of the
> > state. He will label anti-national and unpatriotic people who don't
> accept
> > the state's "natural" logic.
> >
> > When Kashmiris started an armed struggle against Indian state, its main
> > actors, the militants were not separate from, what are mistakenly
> called,
> > civilians. No one is innocent in Kashmir, militants, "civilians", Indian
> > troops or officials, Pandits. They have positions on political issues.
> >
> > When a Kashmiri is killed by Indian troops, instead of seeking justice
> > from Indian state, people come together to forge a solidarity, they bear
> > individual pain collectively. Take the example of Pathribal killings
> when
> > the police fired on Kashmiris protesting fake killings of five
> Kashmiris,
> > and seven more died. Why would Kashmiris allow such a thing to happen to
> > themselves?
> >
> > The responsibility for the acts of militants, or armed Kashmiris, was
> > shared equally by the Kashmiri society. It was quite evident in the way
> > Kashmiris liberally funded the movement (many people gave away part of
> their
> > salaries, month after month, and from the returns from their trade),
> > participated in popular protests on the call from militants, gave
> shelter
> > and food to militants, protested in thousands in funerals for militants,
> and
> > suffered individual and collective brutalities at the hands of Indian
> army.
> > Militants were seen as the soldiers of the Kashmiri nation, their
> freedom
> > fighters, not brigands or criminals.
> >
> > Kashmiris never participated in funerals for killed Indian soldiers.
> Like
> > the way people in India mourned the death of Indian soldiers. Kashmiris
> have
> > always seen Indian forces as occupation troops. Occupation: unlawful,
> > illegitimate control of territories whose residents don't endorse or
> > authorize that control. And by popularly and violently opposing Indian
> rule
> > in Kashmir, expressed in the slogans and motifs of the movement, a vast
> > majority of Kashmiris declared their position.
> >
> > Now the incident referred to here: The Indian airmen, armed or unarmed,
> > were part of the Indian state's most visible and brutal aspect, the
> Indian
> > defense. Logically, in war the enemy's soldiers, armed or unarmed, are
> > legitimate targets. That is what they became. If Yasin Malik is hanged,
> then
> > those thousands of Indian soldiers who killed thousands of militants
> should
> > be hanged too. If he is forced to say sorry to India, then Indian
> soldiers
> > should say sorry to Kashmir.
> >
> > Kashmir's freedom movement is not a series of individual crimes. As
> Indian
> > states atrocities and brutalities are not acts of individual crimes by
> > soldiers. They are political acts. In Kashmir they are seen as such.
> >
> > Personally I am against wars; but at the same time, I am against the
> > appropriation of the right to violence by the state; and I especially
> > despise this appropriation in occupied territories.
> >
> > Junaid
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