[Reader-list] Lists and assaults

Sat Sep 15 14:24:45 IST 2007

Dear Pawan,

Your email clearly shows that what you are interested
in is a show of who
has greater number of followers and who has greater
strength. Why not have
a physical fight instead of a list fight? I am willing
to take you on if
that is the case.

You say: "> When they talk about freedom of expression
, that means the
liberty to > portray a terrorist as a moderan day
Gandhi." - now if you
have any sense of honesty, sincerity, and integrity,
then go back to all
the discussions we have had which say anything to the
effect of "we love
Yasin Malik and he is modern day Gandhi". Dig out one
email which says this
and I will bow before your lordship, without
hesitation, that you are right
and some of us behind these computer screens are
wrong. At the end of the
day brother, what you are interested in is proving
yourself right and
jeering at others saying that they are wrong. What
kind of
debate/argument/stand is this?

If at the end of the day, your intention is to bring
Yasin malik to the
book, then there is a court of law out there, however
flawed it may be. Go
to the court and fight your battles there. Go, take on
Yasin malik if you
have the guts to. What are you trying to prove here?
Why not bare yourself
totally on this list saying what is it exactly that
you want? No point in
beating about the bush, eh?

Peace be with you and peace in your heart. My sincere
prayers.

Zainab

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> Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 13:18:00 +0530
> From: "Partha Dasgupta" <parthaekka at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Reader-list] How CPM blocked the
> screening of Taurus
> To: "Gargi Sen" <sen.gargi at gmail.com>
> Cc: readerlist <reader-list at sarai.net>
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> Dear Gargi,
> 
> Actually, haven't figured out the acronym as yet. In
> fact, figured out the
> 'SAP' one only when Shuddha clarified. Was a bit
> surprised to see strong
> Indian patriots using Americanism. Guess some of the
> virus of
> intellectualism has infected them as well.
> 
> Whether CPM or whatever, the reason a human being
> has a heart and a mind is
> that the folks up there felt that both were required
> to have a balanced life
> (though we couldn't live without either) and a
> balanced decision.
> 
> Just as I wouldn't sacrifice my children because a
> tantric demands human
> sacrifice, and just as I fought a group of my
> friends in the frenzy of a mob
> who wanted to torch a bus - I will disagree here as
> well, because staying
> silent is what has allowed monsters like Hitler the
> freedom to make the
> loudest mouth the ruler.
> 
> When there is a scab on a wound, does one always
> tear it off to force
> bleeding and infection or cover it to heal? Yet,
> this scab is being
> scratched again and again with howls of "look, I'm
> bleeding"
> 
> I'm not qualified enough to say which hospital is
> required here, but I do
> know that serious help is required before our
> silence lets them become the
> loudest voices, and we leave our children in a
> narrow, hate driven society.
> 
> Rgds, Partha
> ..............
> 
> On 9/15/07, Gargi Sen <sen.gargi at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >  Dear Partha,
> > Leave it. To the AR2KP+VD (hope you have figured
> this acronym out) bunch
> > anyone claiming to be a Marxist or a communist is
> a card carrying CPM
> > member. To their worldview it is not possible to
> be a communist and not be
> > CPM (although wonder why don't they pull out the
> CPI, Forward Block and the
> > n number of left parties!)
> > So the AR2KP bunch are trying to tell us â at
> least many on the list who
> > believe in free speech,  even that speech that one
> isn't in agreement with
> > or does not like or feels uncomfortable with â
> that here is your brethren
> > doing exactly what you are telling us to not do.
> And hence, where is your
> > moral high ground?
> > Let children have simple pleasures in life Partha
> â even though my 5 yr
> > old certainly doesn't believe in this kind of
> > you're-bad-because-the-company-you-keep-is-bad
> simplicity â I can live
> > allowing the AR2KP+VD to have their simple
> pleasures and gleeful gloating.
> > It doesn't bother me what the bunch think of the
> CPM, I probably think far
> > worse because of very complicated and messy
> history and think so with far
> > more pain.
> >
> > We had once started to discuss on this list is
> there a way to measure
> > pain? Is there any measuring instrument that can
> measure all our individual
> > pain and see who scores the highest? As I don't
> yet know of any such device
> > or instrument but I am still willing to accept
> that the AR2KP+VD bunch have
> > been through pain, intense and undeserved pain,
> unfair pain and endless
> > pain. But for me to remain restricted to a
> boundary circumscribed by mere
> > pain, that too a pain that has been caused 17
> years ago, to continuously
> > evoke that pain and use that pain to not see
> anything else besides that
> > pain, is to reduce that very pain to something
> really terrible.
> >
> > And its this something-terrible that makes for
> blinkered visions and
> > blinkered minds. The blinkered mind of
> Dritarashtra and the conscious
> > blocking of vision by Gandhari led to fratricide
> leading to near
> > annihilation of the entire tribe/ clan/ community.
> And so I continue to
> > engage and debate, even if shit is being thrown
> up.
> >
> > Nevertheless my presence on this list is simply as
> someone who thinks and
> > I stand guilty of their charge  of an intellectual
> (I can hear my friends
> > fall off laughing) and so possibly what I am
> saying is from the mind and
> > thought-plane and not the heart and pain-plane. So
> there's a gulf of
> > understanding and positions, a gulf we can
> possibly try to cross on this
> > list, and on such lists only simply for its virtue
> of being virtual. I am
> > sure in real life even conversations with them
> might have been impossible.
> >
> > Also, I am also somewhat grateful to the bunch for
> provoking some of the
> > best posts I have read in recent times. Shuddha's
> post on Hyenas, Tarun's on
> > Panditocracy, Sanjay Kak's drawing a ghoulish
> picture of himself as a
> > patriot, Vishal Rawlley's list of patentables are
> simply brilliant and I am
> > not sure these would have happened without the
> AR2KP+VD. So everything
> > perhaps has a purpose, however inexplicable,
> however painful.
> >
> > Gargi
> >
> >
> > On 9/15/07 11:54 AM, "Partha Dasgupta"
> <parthaekka at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hi, For simple people like me, do mention along
> with the link why you
> > posted it. I mena, do you think that blocking
> screening is a good idea or
> > bad? Or do you feel that the CPM is playing
> supercop? Rgds, Partha On
> > 9/15/07, Pawan Durani <pawan.durani at gmail.com>
> wrote: > > >
> >
>
http://cpmterror.blogspot.com/2006/11/how-cpm-blocked-screening-of-taurus.html>
> > Old news from the > BBC< >
> >
>
http://cpmterror.blogspot.com/2006/01/economic-stagnation-in-bengal.html>
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Zainab Bawa 
Mumbai 

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