[Reader-list] Fwd: FW: JKLF Historic Exhibition

we wi dhatr1i at yahoo.com
Tue Apr 8 15:01:52 IST 2008 

Whatever Partha is talking is irrelevant I feel in all angles, forget about TANGENT.  If partha go through the mails and the terminology inside carefully,  partha ought to say something different like Partha told INDIA was survived by all attacks, INDIA will survive forever.   As partha entered into this list,  partha is trying to speak by misunderstanding or misinterpreting or whatever. 
   
   
    Let me ask you a question directly on migration.  
   
  CASE A:   If I (don't wish to point anybody, they may feel wrong like partha)  born in village, grew up and studied in a town, working at a METRO with humans, should I be called as a MIGRANT or CITIZEN???
   
  ALL THE PLACES I MENTIONED BELONG TO THE SAME COUNTRY.
   
  CASE B:  Born in a village/town, grew up and studied at a METRO of different country, returned to the birth country and working???
   
  CASE C: Born and brought up at native and working at a METRO of another country ?
   
  Which society or country or Government will treat me as MIGRANT?
   
  As per my knowledge, Except in CASE C I am very much CITIZEN to my BIRTH COUNTRY.
   
  Hence as far as INDIA is concerned nobody working anywhere within INDIA should not be treated or called as MIGRANTS.
   
   
  Whatever laws you are talking are copy paste/dumped rules and are just man made, not only that they are unequal AMONG THE COUNTRY MEN my dear partha.  
   
   
  
Partha Dasgupta <parthaekka at gmail.com> wrote:
  Aditya,

However justified your stance may be or not, you still are under the
constitution of India. Which means what I 'dare' do or not is irrelevant.
What is relevant is the terminology used by the government. Do check the
official site that I have referenced.

Unless now you are claiming that as an 'IDP' you do not come under the laws
of the country.

Rgds, Partha
............................

On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 10:07 PM, Aditya Raj Kaul 
wrote:

> Partha or anybody else,
>
> Dare you call us all victims of genocide and ethnic cleansing - "Kashmiri
> Migrants". We didn't leave by our own will nor did we go out in search of
> livelihood. It was a forced migration due to sudden rise of Islamic
> Fundamentalism and violence. And if you really want to get enligtened read
> the various Article's of United Nations. We do qualify to be Internally
> Displaced People (IDP's). Hope you understand that.
>
> May God Bless you on the first day of Navreh (Kashmiri Pandit New Year)
>
> Regards
> Aditya Raj Kaul
> Campaign Blog - www.kashmiris-in-exile.blogspot.com
>
> On 4/7/08, Partha Dasgupta 
wrote:
> >
> > Dear Dhatri,
> >
> > a) On the issue of 'Kashmiri Migrants' I would suggest you check the
> > Govt
> > site which just
> happens
> > to be the official site of the J&K Govt - and the phrase is used a
> > number
> > of times - officially. Unless, of course, you have started a unique
> > dictionary
> > of your own.
> >
> > b) From your phrasing, it seems you are in support of Jihad, and
> killing.
> > Do confirm if this is true, and who/how will you define your
> 'Rakshas'
> >
> > c) If you had read Radhikarajen's mail, you would have seen the point
> > that
> > was being made instead of going off on right angles about Gandhiji
> and
> > the Muslim League.
> >
> > Rgds, Partha
> > ........................
> >
> > On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 7:52 PM, we wi wrote:
> >
> > > Dear Partha,
> > >
> > > HAPPY NEW YEAR!
> > >
> > > As I was busy with some matters, I am unable to respond your
> mail.
> > > My mail was very much related to the debate, as this is a response to
> > > radhikarajen mail.
> > >
> > > Next on your points,
> > >
> > > >>a) What is more important, getting the migrants back to Kashmir
> > (which
> > > can only
> > > happen after there is a measure of peace - and not hate) or
> living
> > in
> > > a
> > > hate-blinded stupor that only allows you to keep asking for
> death.
> > >
> > > First and foremost please avoid the term MIGRATION within
> > INDIA. Kashmiri
> > > Pundits do have exclusive rights over KASHMIR because its their birth
> > > place, since their ancestors. No body can do anything over this!
> > >
> > > >>b) Do you really believe that continuing the killing and being
> > > oblivious to everything
> > > else will solve anything.
> > >
> > >
> > > Its nothing to do with my feeling or your feeling, but the actual
> > scenario
> > > is entirely different there and it is because of JIHAD and its
> > > supporters. Even RAMA,KRISHNA killed RAKHASAS. Emperors,kings
> whoever
> > > ruled INDIA from EPIC AGE TO MODERN
> > did
> > > the same. Irrespective of time RAKSHASAS SHOULD BE KILLED.
> > >
> > >
> > > Dhatri.
> > >
> > > *Partha Dasgupta 
* wrote:
> > >
> > > Dear Dhatri,
> > >
> > > As usual, you have completely ignored the debate and gone off on an
> > > unrelated tangent.
> > >
> > > All that we are clarifying here is:
> > >
> > > a) What is more important, getting the migrants back to Kashmir
> (which
> > > can only
> > > happen after there is a measure of peace - and not hate) or
> living
> > in
> > > a
> > > hate-blinded stupor that only allows you to keep asking for
> death.
> > >
> > > b) Do you really believe that continuing the killing and being
> > oblivious
> > > to everything
> > > else will solve anything.
> > >
> > > Rgds, Partha
> > > .............................................
> > >
> > > On 3/26/08, we wi wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Dear All,
> > > >
> > > > Though I am not a great personality to talk about HISTORY, PAST and
> > > > interested as well, but If I ask a very basic question with mere
> > innocence
> > > > over this
> > > >
> > > > >>Secondly, Gandhiji, being human had human fault lines as all
> > of
> > > > us, reluctantly
> > > > >>agreed for division of the nation on faith, thus Pakistan
> was
> > > > born as free India
> > > > >>emerged, to a remark of nethaJI THAT IS THE NATION, WHICH
> SAW
> > > > THE
> > > > >>SACRIFICES OF MILLIONS OF INDIANS BOTH FROM HINDUS AND
> > MUSLIMS,
> > > >
> > > > >>SHOULD BE DIVIDED AS IF BOUNTY OF A LOOT. ?
> > > >
> > > > What happen if late Mr.M.K.Gandhi disagrees for the division of
> > the
> > > > nation on faith?
> > > > Let us discuss pros and cons over this. Probably the same amount of
> > > > casualties (after Partition) could have happened as a result of
> > > > disagreement, but they are for time being (i.e., once and for all)
> > only.
> > > > There should not be any troubles, whatever the country (I MEAN INDIA
> > AS A
> > > > NATION) has been suffering and facing (since 60 years) from all
> > > > directions.
> > > >
> > > > I would like to question MUSLIM LEAGUE ROLE over SUB-CONTINENT
> > > > INDEPENDENCE, their leaders' sacrifices as that of ... (as there
> > > > are in-numerous HINDU patriots, I could not mention just one or
> > 2). It is
> > > > clear that Mr. JINNAH AND HIS PUPPETS with cunning BRITISH BACK
> > > > ENJOYED/ENTHRALLED the POWER and LAND freely. If 2 nation theory
> > failed so
> > > > utterly why was a SEPARATE COUNTRY CALLED PAKISTAN IS STILL
> SURVIVING
> > with
> > > > OCCUPIED, GIFTED INDIAN TERRITORIES TO CHINA?
> > > >
> > > > --Coming back to late Mr. JAWAHARLAL NEHRU,
> > > >
> > > > 1) HE DIDN'T HAIL FROM ANY DYNASTY. LIKE EVERY FATHER, HIS
> > > > FATHER SENT HIM TO LONDON FOR HIGHER STUDIES. THE RICHNESS COMES
> FROM
> > HIS
> > > > FATHERS' THEN PROFESSION. AS HE WAS INTELLIGENT, HE FLOURISHED IN
> > STUDIES
> > > > AND IN POLITICS AS WELL. WHAT WE believe
> > > >
> > > > a) LATE Mr. NEHRU WAS CHEATED BY EVERYBODY (BRITISH, FRIENDS,
> > > > SECULARISTS, INTELLECTUALS AND THEN CHINA) like India WAS CHEATED
> AND
> > ROBBED
> > > > BY INVADERS. How?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > As a CASTE RIDDEN INDIAN SOCIETY (WHY RACISM WAS IS SO POPULAR IN
> > > > WESTERN WORLD. Where does it come from? ARE THEY JUST STEAL it from
> > India
> > > > after invasions like anything? Why did they fail to eradicate it?)
> > AND
> > > > NOBODY WILLING TO LOOSE THEIR CUSTOMS AND TRADITIONS,
> > > >
> > > > Why late Mr. NEHRU was chosen/influenced to give away his daughter,
> > > > INDIRAPRIYADARSINI to a PARSI BRIDEGROOM? Is Mr.M.K.GANDHI or
> > > > Mr.JINNAH feared to do so (As both were having sons and
> > daughters)? What
> > > > was then SOCIETY (INTELLECTUAL OR ORDINARY) silent and play a
> > spectators
> > > > role over this?
> > > >
> > > > --Finally What Mr. Nehru did to whom?
> > > >
> > > > Entire India starting from school going kids to 110 year old know
> > about
> > > > his vision, his plans and his burning desire for the Country AND ITS
> > > > DEVELOPMENT. If we talk about the world starting from CHINA to the
> > country
> > > > that ANY BODY mention, The universe know and if they have conscious
> > they
> > > > remember HIM and pray with FOLDED HANDS.
> > > >
> > > > I hope none of you feel, contradict and murmur if I quote,
> > > > Too err is human, and what if late Mr. Nehru err in few cases if any
> > > > (anybody point or feel) after all Mr. Nehru too a human. Late Mr.
> > Nehru
> > > > ruled INDIA as per the constitution written under the stewardship of
> > Mr.
> > > > Ambedkar in a better way as that of any body all times. (Of course
> > > > Indirapriyadarsini as well).
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > > Dhatri.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > *radhikarajen at vsnl.net* wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi, all.
> > > >
> > > > All said and done, let us not forget that Mohandas Karamchand gandhi
> > was
> > > > as human as all of us, and he had greater vision of free India which
> > did not
> > > > include divided national boundaries on the faith, and Nethaji
> Subhash
> > was
> > > > popularly elected president of then plenary session of Indian
> national
> > > > Congress, in 1939, it is different matter that " High Command " then
> > chose
> > > > Jawahar Nehru to be president., over the popular choice of nethaji.
> > > >
> > > > Secondly, Gandhiji, being human had human fault lines as all of us,
> > > > reluctantly agreed for division of the nation on faith, thus
> Pakistan
> > was
> > > > born as free India emerged, to a remark of nethaJI THAT IS THE
> NATION,
> > WHICH
> > > > SAW THE SACRIFICES OF MILLIONS OF INDIANS BOTH FROM HINDUS AND
> > MUSLIMS,
> > > > SHOULD BE DIVIDED AS IF BOUNTY OF A LOOT. ?
> > > >
> > > > THIRDLY,GANDHIJI WAS IN FREE iNDIA NEVER ASPIRED FOR ANY POWER OR
> > > > POSITION lIKE NEHRU WHO WANTED TO SIDELINE EVERYBODY AND BE prime
> > minister
> > > > HIMSELF. His greed for position and favour and nepotism and
> dynastical
> > > > fervour is seen in free India.
> > > > Gandhiji never "helped" his progeny to be "leaders" like the Rajeevs
> > and
> > > > Indiras of nehru dynasty All said and done, Gandhiji was good human,
> > with
> > > > good morals and ethics unlike his betenoire, Nehru, debauch,
> selfish,
> > never
> > > > cared for kashmiri displaced brothers.
> > > > Regards..
> > > > From: we wi
> > > > Date: Thursday, March 20, 2008 9:38 pm
> > > > Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Fwd: FW: JKLF Historic Exhibition
> > > > To: Partha Dasgupta , Pawan Durani
> > > > Cc: reader-list at sarai.net
> > > >
> > > > > Partha,
> > > > >
> > > > > Mahatma gandhi was in 1900 around and this is 2000. Kindly
> > > > > note the difference in everything.
> > > > >
> > > > > >>>a) Never claimed to be a 'secularist', pseudo or otherwise. I
> > > > > just follow
> > > > > >>>what I believe is right.
> > > > >
> > > > > What if somebody or everybody feel wrong about that. Will you
> > > > > reconsider it or still proceed in the same way. Whatever be the
> > > > > case you must be either intellectual or an idiot. I really sorry
> > > > > to say this.
> > > > >
> > > > > >>>b) I firmly believe that the cycle of violence will only
> > > > > breed hate and
> > > > > >>>more violence and can not be a solution.
> > > > >
> > > > > "violence is the only solution for violence."
> > > > > you should question both quarreling parties instead of asking
> > > > > only one. Listen their answers understand them and then start
> > > > > believing anything.
> > > > >
> > > > > >>>d) As for double standards and your dissapointment, what I do
> > > > > or profess to
> > > > > >>>here is not to make or lose friends. Don't know anyone on this
> > > > > list except my cousin
> > > > > >>>who introduced me, and really couldn't be bothered who thinks
> > > > > what of me.
> > > > > >>>Am here for the sole purpose of knowing view points and
> > > > > engaging in a
> > > > > >>>debate when I find it interesting (and if I have the time).
> > > > >
> > > > > What do your cousin feel about youself???
> > > > >
> > > > > JAI HIND INDIA.
> > > > >
> > > > > Regards,
> > > > > Dhatri.
> > > > >
> > > > > Partha Dasgupta wrote:
> > > > > Pawan,
> > > > >
> > > > > a) Never claimed to be a 'secularist', pseudo or otherwise. I just
> > > > > followwhat I believe is right.
> > > > >
> > > > > b) I firmly believe that the cycle of violence will only breed
> > > > > hate and
> > > > > more violence and
> > > > > can not be a solution.
> > > > >
> > > > > c) I have no idea what 'filth' you refer to about Asit (presume
> > > > > that is
> > > > > 'AsitRed'). However,
> > > > > must admit that I rarely read what he writes as he writes in a
> block
> > > > > without
> > > > > punctuation or paras that I find impossible to comprehend.
> > > > >
> > > > > d) As for double standards and your dissapointment, what I do or
> > > > > profess to
> > > > > here is not
> > > > > to make or lose friends. Don't know anyone on this list except my
> > > > > cousinwho
> > > > > introduced me, and really couldn't be bothered who thinks what of
> > me.
> > > > > Am here for the sole purpose of knowing view points and engaging
> > > > > in a
> > > > > debate when
> > > > > I find it interesting (and if I have the time).
> > > > >
> > > > > e) Why do you always by-pass the point in contention - that is -
> > > > > are you
> > > > > proposing that
> > > > > the solution to Yasin Malik and the violence in J&K is more
> > > > > violence -
> > > > > because that is
> > > > > what is coming out from your responses and your avoiding the moot
> > > > > pointof the debate.
> > > > >
> > > > > Rgds, Partha
> > > > > .....................
> > > > >
> > > > > On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 3:44 PM, Pawan Durani
> > > > >
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Partha ,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Among many Pseudo secular over here , i still continued to trust
> > > > > you to
> > > > > > some extent. However I must admit that you too ,like others in
> > > > > the bunch,
> > > > > > maintain double standards.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You had no words when the Asit ( Lal Salaam) , writes filth
> > against
> > > > > > Kashmiri Hindus , while as you always seem to be ready at the
> > > > > start up line
> > > > > > of 100 mts once Kashmiri Muslim terrorists are discussed.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Disappointed !
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Pawan
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On 3/19/08, Partha Dasgupta
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hi Pawan,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > That still doesn't answer the question: Do you think that the
> > only
> > > > > > > response to violence should be violence?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Because, if so, there will never be an end to the struggle -
> > > > > just more
> > > > > > > death and hate.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Rgds, Partha
> > > > > > > ...................
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 12:09 PM, Pawan Durani
> > > > >
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > And neither Have Kashmiri Hindus ever believed in Violence
> > > > > ......But> > > again we have no love for a Psycopath killer like
> > > > > Yasine> > >
> > > > > > > > On 3/19/08, Partha Dasgupta
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Hi Pawan,
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I do hope you are not saying that because you consider
> > > > > Yasin Malik a
> > > > > > > > > "killer/terrorist" that the only language he will
> > > > > understand is your
> > > > > > > > > shooting / killing him in the same manner.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Do try and remember that the nation of India achieved it's
> > > > > freedom> > > > through Mahatma Gandhi who did NOT fight back with
> > > > > violence. One of the
> > > > > > > > > reasons he's considered the "Father of the Nation'...
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Rgds, Partha
> > > > > > > > > ......................................
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 3:09 PM, Pawan Durani <
> > > > > > > > > pawan.durani at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > And what manner of protest would a killer /terrorist
> > > > > understand ?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Just Curious ......
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > On 3/18/08, Partha Dasgupta
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Hi,
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > I don't know about the feet licking part (always
> > > > > considered it
> > > > > > > > > > > unhygienic),
> > > > > > > > > > > however, I do like the idea of peace.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > I do hope you don't disagree with the concept of peace
> > > > > in J&K?
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > As for the "piece of mind" bit - well, that's
> > > > > something all
> > > > > > > > > > > public figures
> > > > > > > > > > > have to live with - some people agree and some don't.
> > > > > If it
> > > > > > > > > > > makes you
> > > > > > > > > > > happier to see people fighting and shouting, then I
> > would
> > > > > > > > > > > certainly disagree
> > > > > > > > > > > in the manner of protest.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Rgds, Partha
> > > > > > > > > > > ......................................
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 8:45 AM, Aditya Raj Kaul <
> > > > > > > > > > > kauladityaraj at gmail.com>
> > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > God Bless Terrorist Yasin Malik of JKLF - The
> > > > > organiser of
> > > > > > > > > > > this session of
> > > > > > > > > > > > brainwashing. May God as well bless people who lick
> > > > > his feet
> > > > > > > > > > > in Delhi.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > For Your Information, Yasin was given a good piece
> > > > > of mind
> > > > > > > > > > > inside and
> > > > > > > > > > > > outside the venue of the India Today Conclave 2008
> > > > > where he
> > > > > > > > > > > was a guest
> > > > > > > > > > > > speaker. For more information and pictures; visit:
> > > > > > > > > > > > www.kashmiris-in-exile.blogspot.com/
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Aditya Raj Kaul
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > On 3/17/08, inder salim wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > > > > > > > > > > > > From: S. Jabbar
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Date: Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 1:49 PM
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: FW: JKLF Historic Exhibition
> > > > > > > > > > > > > To: sheba
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Cc: Binalakshmi Nepram
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > -----
> > > > > > > > > > > > > JKLF presents:
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Voices of Peace, Voices of Freedom
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Photo and video exhibition of JKLFs Historic 114
> day
> > > > > > > > > > > > > nonviolent march through the valley of Kashmir
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Date: March 19,2008.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Time: 11 am
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Venue: Indian Social Institute,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 10 Institutional Area
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Lodi Road
> > > > > > > > > > > > > New Delhi
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Maqbool Manzil,Maisooma,Srinagar,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Contact:2474882-2481844,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.jklfkashmir.org
> > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.jklf.org.uk
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > ------ End of Forwarded Message
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