[Reader-list] BJP-ruled Madhya Pradesh arrestedaDelhi-basedJournalist

TaraPrakash taraprakash at gmail.com
Fri Apr 11 03:18:34 IST 2008 

The answer was not given as it was evident. You must be a dunce not to get 
it. If BJP government has done it, it has to be correct. The arrested guy 
must be lawless.
Wasn't the journalist a Muslim? How can he be more worthy of justice than 
Professor Sabbarwal?

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Partha Dasgupta" <parthaekka at gmail.com>
To: <radhikarajen at vsnl.net>
Cc: <reader-list at sarai.net>
Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 5:00 AM
Subject: Re: [Reader-list] BJP-ruled Madhya Pradesh 
arrestedaDelhi-basedJournalist


> Hi,
> That's a very wierd (and I would say irrelevant) question to ask 'who' is
> the reporter writing the news for. All of us see whatever we do and 
> 'report'
> it in the hindsight of our personal bias. Whether or not the journalist
> wrote for the Forward Block or the Milli GHazette or the BJP, he would be
> putting out a view point based on facts that he has in possession.
>
> Your question becomes even more irrelevant looking at the fact that he 
> never
> reported anything since the Police picked him up before he could.
>
> However, that still doesn't answer the question of how you presumed he had
> violated the law since the Police apparently called only to confirm that 
> he
> was a reporter.
>
> Rgds, Partha
> .....................
>
> On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 1:28 PM, <radhikarajen at vsnl.net> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>>  it is not at all surprising when thoughts of dissent are expressed, the
>> method of suppression are time tested and have not found success, first, 
>> the
>> step one is to discredit the person and not the thoughts, next step two 
>> is
>> holding out threats of "legal" actions, third step, use the brute force, 
>> to
>> harass phyisically, mentally by false cases, it is not new as to how 
>> legally
>> any dissenter can be cowed down by threats , violent protests.
>>  Nation has seen it in emergency days of a autocratic ruler.Now with drug
>> and kickbacks in deals money power is threatening to extinguish the 
>> freedom,
>> then centuries ago, one voice which told truth was poisoned, one voice 
>> which
>> explained that earth was revolving around the sun had the eyes gauged 
>> out.
>>   But power of thought is such that if truthful, it remains in the minds
>> of the readers, they like it or not, support it or not, the issue 
>> remains.
>>
>>  New generations of India have doctored histrory of freedom struggle of
>> India, go with that as their perspective for the learning experience. It 
>> is
>> one voice from remote Maharashtra, of Bala gangadhar Thilak, that 
>> inspired
>> many others to become BalGangadhars of the struggle. It is one voice of 
>> lala
>> Lajpath rai that inspired many to become the lalaLajpath rai. It is one
>> voice of Bipin Chnandra Pal, that inspired many to be the stronger voice 
>> for
>> freedom. Ofcourse all the one voices were repressed brutally, killed, but
>> the struggle went on, as the fruits of freedom are now enjoyed, all 
>> credit
>> is to one family which had a person who hobnobbed with viceroys, spent 
>> his
>> confinement in guest houses, but the family took the surname of Gandhi, 
>> to
>> be mother of all sacrifices, wherein reality check, there are thousands 
>> who
>> sacrificed their life and livelihood to alll of us  to have freedom.
>>  Nethaji was not the first who passed ICS exam but refused to serve under
>> british regime, dissent cost him dear. Nehru who had failed the ICS, 
>> after
>> enrolling at british Bar Council came back as Barrister, but issue here 
>> is
>> was he a visionary that he is projected as for free India. ?
>>  The very same left parties which condemned Nethaji as fascist supporter
>> now have with them the Forward Block even though with uncomfortable to 
>> share
>> power, so let us not be sensitive to such oppressing threats of
>> "defamation."
>>  Basic issue here is again, it is not about religion, or the journalist,
>> was he out on reportage of true facts or was he reporting to his 
>> community
>> of milli gazette, or was he reporting to all citizens of the nation. ?
>>
>>  Regards.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: we wi <dhatr1i at yahoo.com>
>> Date: Wednesday, April 9, 2008 6:07 pm
>> Subject: Re: [Reader-list] BJP-ruled Madhya Pradesh arrested
>> aDelhi-basedJournalist
>> To: reader-list at sarai.net
>>
>> > Haha Exhausted Suddhabrata,
>> >
>> >  >>For all I  care, you could be a Brahmo Samajist, a Seventh Day
>> > Adventist, a
>> > >>lapsed Roman Catholic, a de-sexed pagan cyobrg in dire need of
>> > >>therapy or a born-again, paranoiac, alcoholic (or abstinent)
>> > Santan
>> > >>Dharmi who spends way too much time on the internet.
>> >
>> >  I contradict over and above with the term "alcoholic Santan
>> > Dharmi"?  What do you exactly mean by using that term? I observe
>> > the possible conclusions as
>> >
>> >         1)  One should not follow "Sanatan Dharm" at all?
>> >         2)  All ALCOHOLICS in INDIA or abroad mystifying the
>> > world as "Sanatan Dharmis"?
>> >         3)  Those who are all following "Sanatan Dharm" are
>> > ALCOHOLICS?         4)  Those who ever following "Sanatan Dharm"
>> > do belong to
>> >              BAJARANGDAL,VHP,BJP,RSS,SHIVSENA?
>> >         5) "Sanatan Dharmis" not at all present in CONGRESS,CPI
>> > and CPM?
>> >
>> >
>> >  Possibly the 2nd one is most suitable and correct anyway,
>> >
>> >  Please let me know how much can be gained for a defamation as I
>> > am fighting a minor litigation, I am thinking to file a
>> > "defamation" as well. I request you please don't ask a service
>> > charge for this.
>> >
>> >  Regards,
>> >  Dhatri.
>> >
>> > Shuddhabrata Sengupta <shuddha at sarai.net> wrote:
>> >  Radhikarajen,
>> >
>> > I am curious to know, where in the post by Arshad Amanullah you
>> > have
>> > read that the journalist, Nadim Ahmad, had violated any law? Which
>> > law do you think has been violated? Where (in Arshad's posting) do
>> > you find the evidence of this violation?
>> >
>> > The report forwarded by Arshad mentions the editor of Mr. Ahmad's
>> > newspaper citing conversations with a police officer about the
>> > journalist, his whereabouts and his assignment, and even the
>> > police
>> > officer who is quoted in the forwarded report does not seem to
>> > indicate that the Mr. Ahmad had broken any law. Which leap of
>> > imagination then impels you to make the assumption that he had?
>> >
>> > I find it disgusting that you should assume that the journalist
>> > has
>> > violated any law whatsoever, without any stated proof to that
>> > effect.
>> > All that we can surmise from reading the above mentioned report is
>> > that Mr. Ahmad was doing his job - making enquiries in a
>> > completely
>> > legitimate manner, as journalists are supposed to do. Morover,
>> > nowhere, in the posting that Arshad has forwarded, is there any
>> > reference to Mr. Ahmad's faith, or his relationship to an
>> > organization called SIMI, and yet, I can see that you cannot
>> > resist
>> > the cheap temptation of stating that - (and I am quoting you
>> > directly here)
>> >
>> > - "he is journalist (sic), that does not mean he is above the law,
>> > he
>> > can do anything to go anywhere and even sheltor (sic), support and
>> > shield the few fanatics because he is journalist, that is when
>> > conflict of interest comes in free India, when religion is used to
>> > propagate hatred, to foist violence, like the SIMI now banned
>> > does.
>> > If system of governance arrests a few, who are in subversion of
>> > laws,
>> > planning violent acts in the guise of religion and its freedom,
>> > laws
>> > have to take care of such deviant behaviour in free society."
>> >
>> > Where, in Arshad's posting do you find grounds to believe that the
>> > journalist, "sheltered, supported and shielded" any "fanatics"? Is
>> > it
>> > only on the grounds of his name, and what we can learn about the
>> > possibility of his beliefs, again on the basis of that name. What
>> > can
>> > we learn on the basis of a name. If I take your name for instance,
>> > I
>> > cannot even tell whether you are male or female, whether you are
>> > Hindu, or a person of another faith, or no faith at all, who
>> > happens
>> > to have the Sanskrit names of a hindu deity (Radhika) and the term
>> > for a royal personage, (Rajen) attached to his/her name. For all I
>> > care, you could be a Brahmo Samajist, a Seventh Day Adventist, a
>> > lapsed Roman Catholic, a de-sexed pagan cyobrg in dire need of
>> > therapy or a born-again, paranoiac, alcoholic (or abstinent)
>> > Santan
>> > Dharmi who spends way too much time on the internet. Your name
>> > gives
>> > me no real indication whatsoever, actually. And any negative
>> > judgements that I, or anyone esle would make about you, your
>> > motives,
>> > your character, your personality on the basis of your name would
>> > be
>> > totally indefensible. If I had to make judgements, they would have
>> > to
>> > rely on your actions and your statments, not your name.
>> >
>> > Now, let us assume that I was a journalist, trying to investigate
>> > the
>> > detention of the activists of a supposedly 'Hindu' organization
>> > like
>> > the Bajrang Dal. Now let us further assume that I was arrested, in
>> > the course of doing so. Would you, or anyone else, then be taken
>> > seriously, if you or they, made a statement to the effect that I
>> > was
>> > arrested, because I was "sheltering, supporting and shielding" the
>> > activists of the Bajrang Dal (because Shuddhabrata Sengupta
>> > sounds,
>> > in an appropriately deadpan Sanskritic way, like an ostensibly
>> > 'hindu' name, though it actually says next to nothing about my
>> > personal convictions in the matter of religion).
>> >
>> > Such an allegation, if it were not backed by any substantive
>> > proof,
>> > would be patently absurd. Similarly, your implicit allegations
>> > (which
>> > infer connections and convergences of purpose between SIMI
>> > activists
>> > and Nadim Ahmad solely on the grounds of the incidental 0 and
>> > therefore irrelevant - marker of Mr. Ahmad's name), are equally
>> > absurd.
>> > You, sir, or madam, or whatever you may be, are the true fanatic
>> > here. You cannot resist making broad generalizations about other
>> > peoples' character based on nothing other than the sound of their
>> > name. It really shows how narrow the bandwidth of your
>> > intelligence
>> > and your imagination is.
>> >
>> > I think you owe this list an apology, and I suggest that you study
>> > the Indian Penal Code carefully before making flimsy allegations
>> > about being above or below the law. The law can be used quite
>> > effectively against people like you who make baseless and wild
>> > allegations about other people's character and conduct. I suggest
>> > you
>> > take a careful look at section 499 of the Indian Penal Code, it
>> > spells out the law of a crime called defamation. Be careful.
>> >
>> > no regards whatsoever, not to you, not this time,
>> >
>> > Shuddhabrata
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On 08-Apr-08, at 6:21 PM, radhikarajen at vsnl.net wrote:
>> >
>> > > Losten my friend, he is journalist, that does not mean he is
>> > above
>> > > the law, he can do anything to go anywhere and even sheltor,
>> > > support and shield the few fanatics because he is journalist,
>> > that
>> > > is when conflict of interest comes in free India, when religion
>> > is
>> > > used to propagate hatred, to foist violence, like the SIMI now
>> > > banned does. If system of governance arrests a few, who are in
>> > > subversion of laws, planning violent acts in the guise of
>> > religion
>> > > and its freedom, laws have to take care of such deviant
>> > behaviour
>> > > in free society. Be it a hindu, muslim or any faith, group of
>> > > individuals who are traitors to the society for the "religion"
>> > are
>> > > not citizens who deserve to be spared as law has to take care of
>> > > such deviant behaviour., irrespective of the system of
>> > governance,
>> > > or the political party that rules the state, why is it that some
>> > > point out such incidents as if system is against the faith, but
>> > not
>> > > against lawless behaviour by "journalist. ?
>> > >
>> > > Regatrds.
>> > >
>> > > ----- Original Message -----
>> > > From: arshad amanullah
>> > > Date: Monday, April 7, 2008 10:42 pm
>> > > Subject: [Reader-list] BJP-ruled Madhya Pradesh arrested a Delhi-
>> >
>> > > basedJournalist
>> > > To: reader-list at sarai.net
>> > >
>> > >> www.milligazette.com
>> > >>
>> > >> New Delhi, 7 April 2008: Late last evening the police
>> > >> in the BJP-ruled state of Madhya Pradesh arrested a
>> > >> Delhi-based journalist who had gone there to report on
>> > >> recent arrests in the state.
>> > >>
>> > >> The journalist is Mr Nadim Ahmad, a staffer of The
>> > >> Milli Gazette fortnightly English-language newspaper
>> > >> published from Delhi since 2000.
>> > >>
>> > >> Ahmad was arrested by the police early 6 April evening
>> > >> in village Aroda/Choral under Balwada Police Station,
>> > >> Distt Khargone, Indore Range. Contact with Ahmad was
>> > >> possible until late in the evening on his mobile phone
>> > >> (# 09911334768). However, since this morning he is not
>> > >> picking up his phone while Police Inspector Sunil
>> > >> Visthre (mobile # 09926670086), who took Ahmad in
>> > >> custody, is not responding to calls on his mobile.
>> > >> Enquiries with highest police officials in Indore have
>> > >> failed to help trace the whereabout of the arrested
>> > >> journalist. The Milli Gazette editor, Dr Zafarul-Islam
>> > >> Khan, has written in this matter to Mr Shivraj Patil,
>> > >> the Union Home Minister, MP Governor Mr Balram Jhakar,
>> > >> MP Chief Minister Mr Shivraj Singh Chauhan, MP home
>> > >> minister Mr. Himmat Kothari, as well as to top police
>> > >> officials in MP state.
>> > >>
>> > >> If the journalist remains untraceable, Dr Khan plans
>> > >> to file a habeas corpus suit in the Supreme Court of
>> > >> India tomorrow, 8 April.
>> > >>
>> > >> [end]
>> > >>
>> > >> Issued by The Milli Gazette
>> > >> D-84 Abul Fazal Enclave-I
>> > >> Jamia Nagar, New Delhi 110 025
>> > >> Tel. (011) 26942883, 26947483, 26952825
>> > >> Email: edit at milligazette.com
>> > >> Website: www.milligazette.com
>> > >>
>> > >> Following is the text of the letter sent by Dr
>> > >> Zafarul-Islam Khan, Editor, The Milli Gazette, on 7
>> > >> April 2008 via fax, email and courier to a number of
>> > >> central and MP state authorities:
>> > >>
>> > >> "This is to inform you that we are a registered
>> > >> English-language fortnightly newspaper published
>> > >> regularly since January 2000 (registered RNI number
>> > >> DELENG/2000/930). A few days back we sent Mr Nadim
>> > >> Ahmad, one of our full-time staff reporters, to
>> > >> Sarangpur, Madhya Pradesh, to report on communal
>> > >> violence there. At about same time news of arrests of
>> > >> alleged SIMI members also came from an adjacent area
>> > >> in the state, so I instructed him to go to Indore as
>> > >> well to report on the situation there and to visit
>> > >> some places from where arrests were made. Mr Ahmad
>> > >> reached Indore yesterday, 6 April 2008, and after
>> > >> making enquiries about the location of the concerned
>> > >> areas, went to village Aroda/Choral under Balwada
>> > >> Police Station, Distt Khargone, Indore Range (Thana
>> > >> phone No. 07280-261237) whose in-charge is Town
>> > >> Inspector Mr Sunil Visthre (mobile no. 09926670086).
>> > >> Inspector Visthre spoke to me last night at around 8-9
>> > >> pm using Mr Ahmad's mobile no. 09911334768 asking why
>> > >> he was in the area. It was explained to him that Mr
>> > >> Ahmad was a full-time staff reporter of this paper and
>> > >> he was there at my instructions to report on the
>> > >> recent arrests. Inspector Visthre told me that there
>> > >> was nothing to worry about and Mr Ahmad is helping
>> > >> enquiries and he is not under arrest.
>> > >>
>> > >> My last contact with Ahmad was at 11.06 pm yesterday
>> > >> (6 April 08) on his mobile phone in which he said he
>> > >> is alright and was answering questions by the police;
>> > >> Inspector Visthre also spoke to me over the same phone
>> > >> at that time and told me that there is nothing to
>> > >> worry about as they were only trying to establish the
>> > >> reason why Mr Nadim was in the area.. Mr Nadim Ahmad's
>> > >> last call was at 1.28 am on 7-4-08 which I could not
>> > >> receive as I had gone to bed by that time. In the
>> > >> morning I tried to contact Mr Ahmad using his mobile
>> > >> number but there was no response. Thereafter, I phoned
>> > >> Balwada Thana at the above phone number and was
>> > >> informed that Inspector Visthre has taken Mr Ahmad to
>> > >> Indore in the morning at 6 AM. Efforts to contact Mr
>> > >> Ahmad since then have failed; Inspector Visthre too is
>> > >> not taking up calls to his mobile. After this, I
>> > >> phoned Indore Superintendent of Police Mr Anshuman
>> > >> Yadav on his mobile no. 09425115144 at 11.30 am (7
>> > >> April 08). He told me that he had no information about
>> > >> this matter.
>> > >>
>> > >> As of now, my apprehension is that Mr Nadim Ahmad has
>> > >> been arrested and kept under custody at an unknown
>> > >> place for no reason whatsoever as he was only
>> > >> discharging his duties as a journalist to investigate
>> > >> matters of common and media interest. I fear that
>> > >> under the current charged atmosphere in the state of
>> > >> Madhya Pradesh, Mr Ahmad may have been falsely
>> > >> implicated in some matter and illegally deprived of
>> > >> his liberty. I request you to immediately intervene in
>> > >> this matter and ensure the freedom of press guaranteed
>> > >> by our Constitution and laws."
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