[Reader-list] Mass Graves in Kashmir

inder salim indersalim at gmail.com
Sun Apr 13 14:32:45 IST 2008 

dear pawan ji
How many people will you hang in public, ( although i am against any kind of
death sentence ) but if it is so, then the Indian politicians and
administrators since last 60 years who ruined Kashmir with their policies
need to be hanged first. Who is to be blamed for the present crises?

Even if you go by the two nation theory, Kashmir should never have been a
part of India in 1947, Was not there a Prime Minister in Kashmir even after
1947...  It might have achieved freedom in 1971 like Bangladesh...if  India
had allowed it to merge with Pakistan. the second blunder was to outwit
Sheikh  Mohamand Abudullah, whom i consider a real hero of his times.  Nehru
imprisoned him for what..... Indira Gandhi humiliated him by compelling to
sing the accord. People around sheikh too were without vision. People have
dug into the archives,  and have found clues  that Sheikh Mohd Abhullah  was
never willing to sign the accord.

Now, how  can you  exonarate all these  Indian people who created mess in
Kashmir.  Forget the fascist BJP, even Congress party palyed communal cards
in Kashmir like in Punjab..

Kashmir deserves freedom by all means, India has done mistakes in the past
and  after 1990 something terrible happened.... Now tell me, what India has
gained?

Yes, if you agree that there is an Anglo-American game plan which has
destroyed peace between pakistan and India then one can see the reason of
violence through a different lens.. If cold war has led to war in Iraq
finally, then the real enemies of Kashmir are in Washington, now how will
you hang Mr. Bush?

with love
is







On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 11:28 AM, Pawan Durani <pawan.durani at gmail.com>
wrote:

> I agree with Inder Ji .
>
> Also all those people who have been resposnible for inciting violence
> which resulted in the current situation in Kashmir should be hanged in
> public.
>
>
> On 4/13/08, inder salim <indersalim at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > WHETHER THE TRUTH ABOUT MASS GRAVES IN KASHMIR IS ESTABLISHED OR NOT,
> > THE
> > FACT REMAINS THAT  THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS OF INNOCENT PEOPLE LOST THEIR
> > LIVES FOR NO FAULT OF THEIRS.
> >
> > THE GOVERNMENT OF INDIA HAS NO ANSWER TO THAT, LIKE  MANY OTHER STATES
> > WHICH
> > SUPRESS IN ORDER TO CONTINUE OCCUPATION, WHICH IS PROFOUNDLY
> > REGREGTABLE.
> >
> > WHATEVER BEST THERE WAS BETWEEN KASHMIR AND INDIA ENDED IN 1990. FIRST
> > KASHMIRI PANDITS  HAD TO RUN FOR THEIR LIVES,  AND THEN ITS WAS INNOCENT
> > PEOPLE IN THE VALLEY AT THE RECEIVING END OF BRUTAL VIOLENCE ....
> >
> > IT IS ALL SAD.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Apr 12, 2008 at 10:33 PM, M Yousuf <yousufism at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > >  TRAGEDIES BURIED IN KASHMIR GRAVES
> > > http://www.mailtoday.in/epapermain.aspx?queryed=9&eddate=02/20/2008
> > >
> > >
> > > On 4/12/08, Shuddhabrata Sengupta <shuddha at sarai.net> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Dear all,
> > > >
> > > > at a friends urging, I did a short google search using the string
> > > > "Nameless Graves Kashmir" and I came up with  a first 30 pages of
> > > > reports. There were stories in newspapers based in Kashmir like
> > > > Greater Kashmir and Kashmir Times of course, and stories in the
> > > > International Herald Tribune, in newspapers out of Ireland, Taiwan,
> > > > Pakistan and elsewhere, besides numerous blog posts and forwards on
> > > > lists. The only Indian newspapers of any consequence that featured
> > > > the story (I tracked this till the 30th google page) were -
> > > >
> > > > Punjab Kesri
> > > > http://www.punjabkesari.com/frmChNewsDetails.aspx?
> > > > uid=72362&CatName=Jammu-Kashmir
> > > >
> > > > Tribune
> > > > http://www.tribuneindia.com/2008/20080410/j&k.htm#9
> > > >
> > > > The Telegraph, Kolkata
> > > > http://www.telegraphindia.com/1080406/jsp/nation/story_9101889.jsp
> > > >
> > > > The Economic Times
> > > > http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/articleshow/
> > > > msid-2912554,flstry-1.cms
> > > >
> > > > Outlook
> > > > http://www.outlookindia.com/pti_news.asp?gid=61&id=560828
> > > >
> > > > DNA, Mumbai
> > > > http://www.dnaindia.com/report.asp?newsid=1159182
> > > >
> > > > (all more or less 'regional/city' publications) Barring Outlook.
> > None
> > > > of the national dailies, or big news channels seem to have anything.
> > > >
> > > > I have already listed the Hindustan Times story in the previous
> > > > posting. This frugality of media attention is surprising, given the
> > > > seriousness of the story.
> > > >
> > > > I spent some time on the Indian Express website, and here is what I
> > > > found.
> > > >
> > > > The Indian Express's micro website - www.kashmirlive.com - which is
> > > > tagged - "Coverage from the Largest news bureau in the valley" and
> > > > which offers 'latest Kashmir news' has no report on the mass graves.
> > > > It does have a photograph, (in the section titled 'Gallery' by Javed
> > > > Shah, that is captioned - 'participant at a rally for displaced
> > > > persons in Srinagar' and one can make out from the banner that it
> > > > carries the words 'missing' and that it is clearly organized by the
> > > > 'Association of the Parents of Disappeared Persons' - the
> > > > organization that has brought out the report called 'Facts
> > > > Underground' which highlights the anonymous graves. The dateline of
> > > > the photograph, and the contents of the image suggest that the event
> > > > must have to do with the APDPs report (titled 'Facts Underground' )
> > > > on the 'nameless graves'
> > > >
> > > > But the Indian Express's editorial policy, no doubt a fine example
> > of
> > > > a case of the hihgly restrained realization of its credo of
> > > > 'journalism of courage', transformed 'disappearance' into
> > > > 'displacement', and omits to give any indication of what the rally
> > is
> > > > all about. In fact, given that the term 'displacement' is usually
> > > > identified with the internal migration of Kashmiri Pundits, a casual
> > > > reader may even think (simply from reading the caption to the
> > > > photograph) that this may be referring to 'displaced' Kashmiris, ie,
> > > > Kashmiri Pandits.
> > > >
> > > > In fact the 10 top stories in the Indian Express's dedicated micro
> > > > site for news about Kashmir are as follows -
> > > >
> > > > 1.Civilian killed after being mistaken for a militant
> > > > 2. First Kashmiri Maj Gen asks youth to join army
> > > > 3. Sonia Gandhi to visit Kashmiri migrant camp
> > > > 4. J-K spends Rs 15 crore on road upgradation project
> > > > 5. Traffic awareness campaign to be launched
> > > > 6. 21,000 vacancies to be filled by fast-track recruitment
> > > > 7. NC at the forefront of anti-Kashmiri tirade: PDP
> > > > 8. Former ultras float seperatist political outfit
> > > > 9. Bomb squad destroys fuse safely
> > > > 10. Valley expects heavy influx of tourists
> > > >
> > > > You would have thought that the "largest" news bureau in the valley,
> > > > would have the human resources to folllow up on a story that refers
> > > > to the remains of the bodies of 940 nameless people.
> > > >
> > > > The Hindu (known for the imaginative journalism of one Praveen Swami
> > > > on Kashmir , recently discussed on one of the postings) features
> > only
> > > > one recent report on Kashmir - about a youth found guilty of
> > > > impersonation and fraud.
> > > >
> > > > How much courage does it take for the Journalism of Courage to get
> > > > its act together. I am not making a special case for the Indian
> > > > Express - the Hindu, the Times of India, NDTV, CNN-IBN all seem
> > > > complicit in the generation of a very loud silence.
> > > >
> > > > Does any one know why this is the case? I am currently not in Delhi
> > > > and so, cannot get a sense of what is causing this strange silence.
> > > >
> > > > Would really like to know what other people think is actually going
> > on.
> > > >
> > > > best
> > > >
> > > > Shuddha
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 12-Apr-08, at 6:04 PM, Shuddhabrata Sengupta wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >   Dear All,
> > > > >
> > > > > This is in continuation of Junaid's posting of April 7 : 'Amnesty
> > > > > International and Human Rights Watch slam Indian human rights
> > abuses
> > > > > in Kashmir' . The posting pointed out the recent discovery of mass
> > > > > graves containing the remains of Nine hundred and forty
> > unidentified
> > > > > bodies in different sites in Kashmir.
> > > > >
> > > > > If the allegations that these are bodies of people killed and
> > > > > disposed of by the security forces, and that they may contain the
> > > > > remains of many who are alleged to have 'disappeared' in Kashmir
> > are
> > > > > true, then this constitutes a very serious matter.
> > > > >
> > > > > Here are three recent reports that have appeared on the BBC
> > website
> > > > > on the subject.
> > > > >
> > > > > 1. Protest over graves in Kashmir
> > > > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/7343454.stm
> > > > >
> > > > > 2. Kashmir police refuse body demand
> > > > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/7325001.stm
> > > > >
> > > > > 3. Amnesty urges Kashmir grave probe
> > > > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/7334965.stm
> > > > >
> > > > > I have not seen too many reports in the mainstream 'indian' media
> > > > > about this - I could be wrong, and would like to be corrected, but
> > > > > preliminary google searches about the subject in connection with
> > The
> > > > > Hindu, The Times of India, The Indian Express, NDTV and CNN-IBN
> > did
> > > > > not yield any results.
> > > > >
> > > > > The only exception in the mainstream 'Indian' media that I could
> > find
> > > > > was a report by Rashid Ahmad from Srinagar in the Hindustan Times.
> > > > >
> > > > > The story is titled -
> > > > >
> > > > > Mass graves in Kashmir raise rights violation stink
> > > > > Rashid Ahmad, Hindustan Times
> > > > > Srinagar, March 29, 2008
> > > > >
> > > > > http://www.hindustantimes.com/StoryPage/StoryPage.aspx?
> > > > >
> > id=eb572d05-2d48-4604-99a0-1fc154e2c914&MatchID1=4680&TeamID1=6&TeamID
> > > > > 2=
> > > > > 3&MatchType1=1&SeriesID1=1179&PrimaryID=4680&Headline=Mass+graves
> > > > > +raise+rights+violation+stink
> > > > >
> > > > > if the general media silence in India about this shocking story is
> > a
> > > > > fact. (Again, I hope I am wrong here). Then it is time to ask what
> > > > > makes it possible for Indian newspapers and television stations to
> > > > > report mass graves in Iraq and Bosnia and suddenly turn all coy
> > when
> > > > > they are found in Indian administered Kashmir.
> > > > >
> > > > > Further, is it time to think about what steps may be necessary to
> > > > > take to move towards a boycott of the forthcoming Commonwealth
> > Games
> > > > > in Delhi (2010)? (Among other things).
> > > > >
> > > > > Perhaps there are lessons to be learnt from the Tibetans.
> > > > >
> > > > > best
> > > > >
> > > > > Shuddha
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
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