[Reader-list] Mass Graves in Kashmir

trupthi basavaraj trupthi.basavaraj at gmail.com
Wed Apr 16 23:09:15 IST 2008 

On 4/16/08, trupthi basavaraj <trupthi.basavaraj at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I'm just wondering why most reasonable/interesting points of discussion
> descend into a this sort of passive aggression?
>
> I am however intrigued by the lack of media coverage and so has anyone
> (shuddha?) found anything?
>
> Trupthi
>
>
>  On 4/14/08, Pawan Durani <pawan.durani at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Dear Inder ,
> >
> > The problem is that you have a creamy knowledge about Kashmir . Well, i
> > dont
> > mind that now since most of your friends in Sarai bank on same type of
> > knowledge.
> >
> > However if you feel so passionate about so called "freedom" to Kashmiris
> > , i
> > suggest you to go back to Kashmir and work towards that .
> >
> > What is the use of your thoughts and knowledge about Kashmir if you do
> > not
> > stay at ground zero , and instead spend time on writing mails from your
> > office or home at New Delhi.
> >
> > Last time i asked you if you had guts to do your nude photo shoot at
> > some
> > other place of worship , other than those belonging to Hindus. You
> > havent
> > replied to that .
> >
> > You know what I mean . And I know where your "art" STARTS & where it
> > ENDS.
> >
> > Good Luck
> >
> > Pawan Durani
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 4/13/08, inder salim <indersalim at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > dear pawan ji
> > > How many people will you hang in public, ( although i am against any
> > kind
> > > of
> > > death sentence ) but if it is so, then the Indian politicians and
> > > administrators since last 60 years who ruined Kashmir with their
> > policies
> > > need to be hanged first. Who is to be blamed for the present crises?
> > >
> > > Even if you go by the two nation theory, Kashmir should never have
> > been a
> > > part of India in 1947, Was not there a Prime Minister in Kashmir even
> > > after
> > > 1947...  It might have achieved freedom in 1971 like
> > > Bangladesh...if  India
> > > had allowed it to merge with Pakistan. the second blunder was to
> > outwit
> > > Sheikh  Mohamand Abudullah, whom i consider a real hero of his
> > > times.  Nehru
> > > imprisoned him for what..... Indira Gandhi humiliated him by
> > compelling to
> > > sing the accord. People around sheikh too were without vision. People
> > have
> > > dug into the archives,  and have found clues  that Sheikh Mohd
> > > Abhullah  was
> > > never willing to sign the accord.
> > >
> > > Now, how  can you  exonarate all these  Indian people who created mess
> > in
> > > Kashmir.  Forget the fascist BJP, even Congress party palyed communal
> > > cards
> > > in Kashmir like in Punjab..
> > >
> > > Kashmir deserves freedom by all means, India has done mistakes in the
> > past
> > > and  after 1990 something terrible happened.... Now tell me, what
> > India
> > > has
> > > gained?
> > >
> > > Yes, if you agree that there is an Anglo-American game plan which has
> > > destroyed peace between pakistan and India then one can see the reason
> > of
> > > violence through a different lens.. If cold war has led to war in Iraq
> > > finally, then the real enemies of Kashmir are in Washington, now how
> > will
> > > you hang Mr. Bush?
> > >
> > > with love
> > > is
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 11:28 AM, Pawan Durani <pawan.durani at gmail.com
> > >
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > I agree with Inder Ji .
> > > >
> > > > Also all those people who have been resposnible for inciting
> > violence
> > > > which resulted in the current situation in Kashmir should be hanged
> > in
> > > > public.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 4/13/08, inder salim <indersalim at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > WHETHER THE TRUTH ABOUT MASS GRAVES IN KASHMIR IS ESTABLISHED OR
> > NOT,
> > > > > THE
> > > > > FACT REMAINS THAT  THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS OF INNOCENT PEOPLE LOST
> > > THEIR
> > > > > LIVES FOR NO FAULT OF THEIRS.
> > > > >
> > > > > THE GOVERNMENT OF INDIA HAS NO ANSWER TO THAT, LIKE  MANY OTHER
> > STATES
> > > > > WHICH
> > > > > SUPRESS IN ORDER TO CONTINUE OCCUPATION, WHICH IS PROFOUNDLY
> > > > > REGREGTABLE.
> > > > >
> > > > > WHATEVER BEST THERE WAS BETWEEN KASHMIR AND INDIA ENDED IN 1990.
> > FIRST
> > > > > KASHMIRI PANDITS  HAD TO RUN FOR THEIR LIVES,  AND THEN ITS WAS
> > > INNOCENT
> > > > > PEOPLE IN THE VALLEY AT THE RECEIVING END OF BRUTAL VIOLENCE ....
> > > > >
> > > > > IT IS ALL SAD.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Sat, Apr 12, 2008 at 10:33 PM, M Yousuf <yousufism at gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > >  TRAGEDIES BURIED IN KASHMIR GRAVES
> > > > > >
> > http://www.mailtoday.in/epapermain.aspx?queryed=9&eddate=02/20/2008
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On 4/12/08, Shuddhabrata Sengupta <shuddha at sarai.net> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Dear all,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > at a friends urging, I did a short google search using the
> > string
> > > > > > > "Nameless Graves Kashmir" and I came up with  a first 30 pages
> > of
> > > > > > > reports. There were stories in newspapers based in Kashmir
> > like
> > > > > > > Greater Kashmir and Kashmir Times of course, and stories in
> > the
> > > > > > > International Herald Tribune, in newspapers out of Ireland,
> > > Taiwan,
> > > > > > > Pakistan and elsewhere, besides numerous blog posts and
> > forwards
> > > on
> > > > > > > lists. The only Indian newspapers of any consequence that
> > featured
> > > > > > > the story (I tracked this till the 30th google page) were -
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Punjab Kesri
> > > > > > > http://www.punjabkesari.com/frmChNewsDetails.aspx?
> > > > > > > uid=72362&CatName=Jammu-Kashmir
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Tribune
> > > > > > > http://www.tribuneindia.com/2008/20080410/j&k.htm#9
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The Telegraph, Kolkata
> > > > > > >
> > http://www.telegraphindia.com/1080406/jsp/nation/story_9101889.jsp
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The Economic Times
> > > > > > > http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/articleshow/
> > > > > > > msid-2912554,flstry-1.cms
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Outlook
> > > > > > > http://www.outlookindia.com/pti_news.asp?gid=61&id=560828
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > DNA, Mumbai
> > > > > > > http://www.dnaindia.com/report.asp?newsid=1159182
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > (all more or less 'regional/city' publications) Barring
> > Outlook.
> > > > > None
> > > > > > > of the national dailies, or big news channels seem to have
> > > anything.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I have already listed the Hindustan Times story in the
> > previous
> > > > > > > posting. This frugality of media attention is surprising,
> > given
> > > the
> > > > > > > seriousness of the story.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I spent some time on the Indian Express website, and here is
> > what
> > > I
> > > > > > > found.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The Indian Express's micro website - www.kashmirlive.com -
> > which
> > > is
> > > > > > > tagged - "Coverage from the Largest news bureau in the valley"
> > and
> > > > > > > which offers 'latest Kashmir news' has no report on the mass
> > > graves.
> > > > > > > It does have a photograph, (in the section titled 'Gallery' by
> > > Javed
> > > > > > > Shah, that is captioned - 'participant at a rally for
> > displaced
> > > > > > > persons in Srinagar' and one can make out from the banner that
> > it
> > > > > > > carries the words 'missing' and that it is clearly organized
> > by
> > > the
> > > > > > > 'Association of the Parents of Disappeared Persons' - the
> > > > > > > organization that has brought out the report called 'Facts
> > > > > > > Underground' which highlights the anonymous graves. The
> > dateline
> > > of
> > > > > > > the photograph, and the contents of the image suggest that the
> > > event
> > > > > > > must have to do with the APDPs report (titled 'Facts
> > Underground'
> > > )
> > > > > > > on the 'nameless graves'
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > But the Indian Express's editorial policy, no doubt a fine
> > example
> > > > > of
> > > > > > > a case of the hihgly restrained realization of its credo of
> > > > > > > 'journalism of courage', transformed 'disappearance' into
> > > > > > > 'displacement', and omits to give any indication of what the
> > rally
> > > > > is
> > > > > > > all about. In fact, given that the term 'displacement' is
> > usually
> > > > > > > identified with the internal migration of Kashmiri Pundits, a
> > > casual
> > > > > > > reader may even think (simply from reading the caption to the
> > > > > > > photograph) that this may be referring to 'displaced'
> > Kashmiris,
> > > ie,
> > > > > > > Kashmiri Pandits.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > In fact the 10 top stories in the Indian Express's dedicated
> > micro
> > > > > > > site for news about Kashmir are as follows -
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 1.Civilian killed after being mistaken for a militant
> > > > > > > 2. First Kashmiri Maj Gen asks youth to join army
> > > > > > > 3. Sonia Gandhi to visit Kashmiri migrant camp
> > > > > > > 4. J-K spends Rs 15 crore on road upgradation project
> > > > > > > 5. Traffic awareness campaign to be launched
> > > > > > > 6. 21,000 vacancies to be filled by fast-track recruitment
> > > > > > > 7. NC at the forefront of anti-Kashmiri tirade: PDP
> > > > > > > 8. Former ultras float seperatist political outfit
> > > > > > > 9. Bomb squad destroys fuse safely
> > > > > > > 10. Valley expects heavy influx of tourists
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > You would have thought that the "largest" news bureau in the
> > > valley,
> > > > > > > would have the human resources to folllow up on a story that
> > > refers
> > > > > > > to the remains of the bodies of 940 nameless people.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The Hindu (known for the imaginative journalism of one Praveen
> > > Swami
> > > > > > > on Kashmir , recently discussed on one of the postings)
> > features
> > > > > only
> > > > > > > one recent report on Kashmir - about a youth found guilty of
> > > > > > > impersonation and fraud.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > How much courage does it take for the Journalism of Courage to
> > get
> > > > > > > its act together. I am not making a special case for the
> > Indian
> > > > > > > Express - the Hindu, the Times of India, NDTV, CNN-IBN all
> > seem
> > > > > > > complicit in the generation of a very loud silence.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Does any one know why this is the case? I am currently not in
> > > Delhi
> > > > > > > and so, cannot get a sense of what is causing this strange
> > > silence.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Would really like to know what other people think is actually
> > > going
> > > > > on.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > best
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Shuddha
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On 12-Apr-08, at 6:04 PM, Shuddhabrata Sengupta wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >   Dear All,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > This is in continuation of Junaid's posting of April 7 :
> > > 'Amnesty
> > > > > > > > International and Human Rights Watch slam Indian human
> > rights
> > > > > abuses
> > > > > > > > in Kashmir' . The posting pointed out the recent discovery
> > of
> > > mass
> > > > > > > > graves containing the remains of Nine hundred and forty
> > > > > unidentified
> > > > > > > > bodies in different sites in Kashmir.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > If the allegations that these are bodies of people killed
> > and
> > > > > > > > disposed of by the security forces, and that they may
> > contain
> > > the
> > > > > > > > remains of many who are alleged to have 'disappeared' in
> > Kashmir
> > > > > are
> > > > > > > > true, then this constitutes a very serious matter.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Here are three recent reports that have appeared on the BBC
> > > > > website
> > > > > > > > on the subject.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 1. Protest over graves in Kashmir
> > > > > > > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/7343454.stm
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 2. Kashmir police refuse body demand
> > > > > > > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/7325001.stm
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 3. Amnesty urges Kashmir grave probe
> > > > > > > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/7334965.stm
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I have not seen too many reports in the mainstream 'indian'
> > > media
> > > > > > > > about this - I could be wrong, and would like to be
> > corrected,
> > > but
> > > > > > > > preliminary google searches about the subject in connection
> > with
> > > > > The
> > > > > > > > Hindu, The Times of India, The Indian Express, NDTV and
> > CNN-IBN
> > > > > did
> > > > > > > > not yield any results.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The only exception in the mainstream 'Indian' media that I
> > could
> > > > > find
> > > > > > > > was a report by Rashid Ahmad from Srinagar in the Hindustan
> > > Times.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The story is titled -
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Mass graves in Kashmir raise rights violation stink
> > > > > > > > Rashid Ahmad, Hindustan Times
> > > > > > > > Srinagar, March 29, 2008
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > http://www.hindustantimes.com/StoryPage/StoryPage.aspx?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > >
> > id=eb572d05-2d48-4604-99a0-1fc154e2c914&MatchID1=4680&TeamID1=6&TeamID
> > > > > > > > 2=
> > > > > > > >
> > > 3&MatchType1=1&SeriesID1=1179&PrimaryID=4680&Headline=Mass+graves
> > > > > > > > +raise+rights+violation+stink
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > if the general media silence in India about this shocking
> > story
> > > is
> > > > > a
> > > > > > > > fact. (Again, I hope I am wrong here). Then it is time to
> > ask
> > > what
> > > > > > > > makes it possible for Indian newspapers and television
> > stations
> > > to
> > > > > > > > report mass graves in Iraq and Bosnia and suddenly turn all
> > coy
> > > > > when
> > > > > > > > they are found in Indian administered Kashmir.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Further, is it time to think about what steps may be
> > necessary
> > > to
> > > > > > > > take to move towards a boycott of the forthcoming
> > Commonwealth
> > > > > Games
> > > > > > > > in Delhi (2010)? (Among other things).
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Perhaps there are lessons to be learnt from the Tibetans.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > best
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Shuddha
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
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