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>   1. On Perverting the English Language (Vivek Narayanan)
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> From: Vivek Narayanan <vivek at sarai.net>
> Subject: [Reader-list] On Perverting the English Language
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> A wonderful essay by the Vietnamese / American poet and writer, Linh
> Dinh, on English:
> http://poetryfoundation.org/harriet/2008/04/tongued_1.html#more
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> Vivek
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> ------------------------------
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> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 11:37:30 +0500
> From: radhikarajen at vsnl.net
> Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Olive Ridley turtles
> To: "S. Jabbar" <sonia.jabbar at gmail.com>
> Cc: sarai list <reader-list at sarai.net>, Tapas Ray
>        <tapasrayx at gmail.com>
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> Hi,
>
> the releases regarding the ridley turtles, Tatas' adventures with port and
> integreted steel plant and port, then misadventure at Singur made any
> citizens think of the lengths the industrial barons go to enrich themselves.
>
> While huble REVA is good electricity powered vehicle is finding it
> difficult to make itself affordable, electircally charged scootys and two
> wheelers are trying their best to find market, the hyped one lakh car
> manufactured over the hungry bellies of poor farmers and farm labour at
> Singur is the new tryst with destiny in the nation, the capitalism makes
> rich make more of wealth with unequal distribution of wealth, socialism has
> one unique feature, it distributes poverty uniformaly.
>
> Tatas for all practical purposes got the land at throw away prices
> combined with state oppression and undisguised force to equip themselves of
> the lands, this mini car again will be richmens' toy when it comes in to
> market. The emission levels of tata vehicles are so high, that no authority
> seems to have courage to see the smoke bellowing out of the exhausts of the
> diesel vehicles. !
>
> Regards,
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "S. Jabbar" <sonia.jabbar at gmail.com>
> Date: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 9:53 am
> Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Olive Ridley turtles
> To: Tapas Ray <tapasrayx at gmail.com>, sarai list <reader-list at sarai.net>
>
> > Tapas,
> >
> > Thanks for your mail detailing Tata's Gopalpur activities. I
> > really think
> > the large corporations who go to town advertising their corporate
> > responsibility ought to be exposed for what they are.
> >
> > I was really excited about Tata BP solar at first when I
> > discovered they had
> > many products oriented towards the individual consumer.  I wanted
> > to install
> > a solar powered inverter in my apartment this summer.  Try finding an
> > outlet— it was near impossible.  So I got in touch with them
> > through their
> > website. No response. So I wrote off an angry email and finally
> > someone sent
> > me a number of a distributor. I called him.  The price was
> > exorbitant, at
> > least 20,000 Rs. more than a regular inverter! I rapidly lost
> > interest. He
> > was a nice guy so we had a long chat about the ridiculousness of the
> > situation, how things were overpriced and there was no govt.
> > subsidy for the
> > urban consumer and no Tata subsidy either.  Surely if they priced
> > themselvesreasonably they would have enough demand for the product
> > to be profitable in
> > the long run.  Surely they know this, so why don't they do it?
> >
> > My other grouse is about their smoke belching diesel vehicles.  My
> > love of
> > the mountains often takes me to places like Ladakh, Lahaul and
> > Spiti.  Next
> > time you are there remember to look at the hillsides along the
> > highways,particularly on corners.  Because there is no vegetation
> > it is easy to see
> > the effect of Diesel trucks.  The rocks are black with deposits.
> > It is
> > disgusting that companies like the Tatas have been allowed to
> > continue to
> > produce sub-standard engines in their trucks and buses .  Why
> > aren't they
> > subjected to emission norms?  They really ought to be taxed
> > heavily when
> > entering the high Himalayas with their very fragile eco systems
> > and  made to
> > clean up the rock faces at the very least.
> >
> > And then the much touted one lakh Nano.  How I would have rejoiced
> > if all
> > the R&D had gone into producing a one lakh electric car!  BTW poor
> > REVA,  I
> > believe they don't get any support from the Go I.
> >
> >
> > Best
> > sj
> >
> >
> > On 4/21/08 8:16 PM, "Tapas Ray" <tapasrayx at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Sonia,
> >
> > Thanks for forwarding this release. I agree with you that one need
> > > not
> > go starry-eyed about Tata. Look at the way it has steamrolled over a
> > large
> > > section of people unwilling to give up their land in Singur
> > (West Bengal),
> > > helped by an obliging state government and CPI(M).
> >
> > A little over a decade
> > > ago, as a journalist, I covered the popular
> > opposition it was encountering in
> > > Gopalpur-on-Sea (Orissa) for its
> > plan to set up an integrated steel plant,
> > > take over the small local
> > port and turn it into a large one, etc. Predictably,
> > > the state
> > government (of Orissa) was bending over backwards, sending in
> > > police,
> > to carry out its wishes. There were clashes, roads were dug up,
> > > etc.
> >
> > I believe the company has had - or is going to have - its way
> > > despite
> > all that resistance ... perhaps more than it had bargained for at
> > > that
> > time, because later there was talk of an SEZ. As we know, these SEZs
> > are
> > > nothing but militarised outposts - considering the way their
> > administrative
> > > structure has been planned - of global capitalism, on
> > whose block Tata is now
> > > the new kid, and is duly revered for this by
> > state governments and political
> > > parties across the spectrum in India,
> > from Gujarat to West Bengal.
> >
> > I used to
> > > think that the Tata group is an enlightened one, but have
> > been rather unsure
> > > of that since I saw what they were up to in
> > Gopalpur.
> >
> > A side note - there is
> > > a parallel between our SEZs and Shanghai. My
> > suggestion to the state and
> > > central governments in India: if you want
> > to emulate China, don't beat about
> > > the bush; just turn the whole
> > country into one big Shanghai.
> >
> > Another side
> > > note, this one about Greenpeace: Some months ago, in one
> > of their newsletters,
> > > they were talking about "green Apple". A couple
> > of months later, they realised
> > > that Apple wasn't that green after all.
> > I think they need to be more careful
> > > with their assessment of
> > corporations and governments.
> >
> > Tapas
> >
> >
> > On 21/04/2008,
> > > S. Jabbar <sonia.jabbar at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > From the Greenpeace campaign for
> > > the Olive Ridley Turtles.  Not that I find
> > >  the TATA environmental record
> > > that great...
> > >
> > >
> > >  Why Save the turtles?
> > >
> > >
> > >  Consider thisŠ Olive Ridley
> > > turtles rely on an inexplicable, in-built
> > >  navigation system that guides
> > > them, when it¹s time for them to reproduce,
> > >  back to the precise coast on
> > > which they were born.
> > >
> > >  Now consider something elseŠ The proposed Tata port
> > > at Dhamra threatens a
> > >  nesting site that is amongst the last honeymoon
> > > suites for the remaining
> > >  Olive Ridleys, a highly-endangered species that
> > > swims all the way here from
> > >  places as far away as Australia and the
> > > Philippines.
> > >
> > >  When you consider these two facts together, it seems only
> > > logical that Tata
> > >  would reconsider its decision to build the port at
> > > Dhamra, and build it in
> > >  an area that¹s less ecologically sensitive. It
> > > seems especially logical when
> > >  it¹s Tata we¹re talking about.
> > >
> > >  After
> > > all, Tata has grown from a national giant into an international
> > >  player,
> > > while constantly stating its commitment to the principles of social
> > >
> > > upliftment, environmental justice and sustainable development.
> > The Tata
> > >
> > > brand is ubiquitous, present in hundreds of products that have
> > genuinely>
> > > improved the lives of generations of Indians; from the Tata salt
> > that>
> > > flavours our daily bread, the Tata BP solar geyser that warms
> > our winter
> > >
> > > baths, the Tata Telecom that manages our communications, to the
> > Tata cars>
> > > that Œdrive a billion dreams.¹
> > >
> > >
> > >  And yet, in Orissa, we¹re witnessing a
> > > different side to the same Tata. A
> > >  Tata that shuts its ears to reason. A
> > > Tata that looks the other way when
> > >  confronted with evidence. A Tata that
> > > cares nothing for the community, and
> > >  even less for nature.
> > >
> > >  The port
> > > Tata is proposing to build in Dhamra will directly affect the Olive
> > >  Ridley
> > > turtles. With 150,000 to 350,000 Olive Ridley turtles nesting in the
> > >
> > > vicinity, the average number of hatchlings is believed to range
> > from 15
> > >
> > > million to 35 million.
> > >
> > >  When confronted by Greenpeace Tata promised
> > > concerned citizens that it would
> > >  abandon the port Œif evidence of turtle
> > > presence and the ecological
> > >  significance of the area were ever
> > > unearthed.¹
> > >
> > >
> > >  The evidence was submitted , but this promise wasn¹t kept.
> > > The perfunctory
> > >  EIA carried out in this area isn't worth the paper it's
> > > printed on. Another
> > >  nesting season has passed us by, with turtle mortality
> > > from mechanized
> > >  fishing agonizingly high. Coming in addition to this annual
> > > death toll, the
> > >  Tata port could be the final nail in the turtle¹s coffin,
> > > ensuring that this
> > >  area is never safe for turtles again.
> > >
> > >  Will this
> > > willful destruction be the legacy that Tata leaves behind in
> > >  Orissa?
> > >
> > >
> > > Not if you can help it.
> > >
> > >  Please do what I've done. Write directly to Ratan
> > > by clicking here
> > >
> > > <http://www.greenpeace.org/india/turtles/write-to-tata>
> > >
> > >
> > >
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>
> Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 14:09:30 +0530
> From: Shuddhabrata Sengupta <shuddha at sarai.net>
> Subject: [Reader-list] Turtles, Tatas and Reva
> To: radhikarajen at vsnl.net
> Cc: sarai list <reader-list at sarai.net>, Tapas Ray
>        <tapasrayx at gmail.com>
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> Dear Sonia, Tapas, Radhikarajen, and everyone else,
>
> Many thanks Sonia, for bringing our attention to the Tata versus
> Turtle question. I share all your concerns about the hype around the
> Nano, and Tata diesel guzzlers in general. I think they (and other
> corporations, including those based in India, or with an Indian
> history) need to be recognized for their high level of Corporate
> Irresponsibility and contribution to the sharpening of the lethal
> edge of global capitalism.
>
> I have been a fan of the Reva for a while, and have always wondered
> why more of them are not around. And why they attract neither
> support, nor subsidies. Is it because 'Reva' is another name for the
> river 'Narmada' - a name that is no longer uttered in polite circles
> in Delhi and Mumbai, in case you were branded some kind of luddite,
> anti-national, terrorist.
>
> Apparently, in a city like London, the quietly humming engineering
> success that is the Reva is not such an embarassment. London has a
> thriving Reva market.  London has a 'congestion charge' aimed at
> discouraging people from driving cars into the city and using more
> public transport. The Reva (marketed successfully in London as the G-
> Wiz) is one of the vehicles exempt from the very high congestion
> charge. Also, from the spring of this year, London will have many
> 'charging points' where Revas can be conveniently 'charged' up. Now
> think, if, instead the pornographic excess that surrounds the launch
> of new cars in india, there would be some sensible and rational
> attention to alternatives like the Reva, which are inexpensive, safe
> (at city driving speeds) and green. How would that be? There could be
> incentives passed on to the consumer if they drove Revas in the form
> of tax cuts, lesser parking charges, (or exemption from cumpolsory -
> 'off road' rules for certain days of the week, by rotation, - which
> could be then applied on to diesel and petrol guzzlers).
>
> But, do we hear, or see, as much about the Reva, as we do about the
> Nano. Does Barkha Dutt drool at the mouth interviewing the Bangalore
> based engineers who dreamed up the Reva in the same way as she does
> when she sits face to face with Ratan Tata? Not likely.
>
> That is not the way things crumble. Powerful automobile industry
> lobbies, which include the Tatas, have the government, every
> political party, and the media in their pockets, in India, and run a
> well oiled PR machine. I noticed, some time ago, that when the Nanon
> was launched, within a few days, gushing and holier than thou, op ed
> pieces appeared in several newspapers, defending the 'little
> Indian's' right to an cchota-sa car of their own against what was
> called the 'elitist' calumny of green activists. The interesting
> thing is, no one had actually said anything against the Nano. Which
> means, the car-lobby had press releases, op-eds and first person
> defences of the little car all ready, in case there was aopposition.
> It was all timed to be unleashed, a few days after the launch of the
> car. The launch happened, there was no criticism, but the somewhat
> pointless counter-attack in defence of the Nano was unleashed anyway,
> exposing the workings of a well oiled machine.
>
> As India's dependence on the diesel and petrol powered automobiles
> increases, the demand for this kind of polluting energy will also
> increase. If all those who will buy the Nano, have to drive the Nano,
> there will be a demand for a lot more gas, and at affordable prices,
> the industry that propels this demand will grow greedy. It will
> demand access to more energy, more fuel, just as it does in the US,
> or France, or Japan. It will push India into aggressive acquisitions
> of energy assets elsewhwere in the world. The gas guzzling car is
> already tied into a logic of nationalism intoxicated with itself. It
> may not take long for this intoxication to thicken into the first
> Indian Imperialist misadventures, as Indian troops go marching to
> keep the Tata-Mittal machine running.
>
> You read it first, here.
>
> best
>
> Shuddha
>
>
> On 22-Apr-08, at 12:07 PM, radhikarajen at vsnl.net wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> >  the releases regarding the ridley turtles, Tatas' adventures with
> > port and integreted steel plant and port, then misadventure at
> > Singur made any citizens think of the lengths the industrial barons
> > go to enrich themselves.
> >
> >   While huble REVA is good electricity powered vehicle is finding
> > it difficult to make itself affordable, electircally charged
> > scootys and two wheelers are trying their best to find market, the
> > hyped one lakh car manufactured over the hungry bellies of poor
> > farmers and farm labour at Singur is the new tryst with destiny in
> > the nation, the capitalism makes rich make more of wealth with
> > unequal distribution of wealth, socialism has one unique feature,
> > it distributes poverty uniformaly.
> >
> >   Tatas for all practical purposes got the land at throw away
> > prices combined with state oppression and undisguised force to
> > equip themselves of the lands, this mini car again will be
> > richmens' toy when it comes in to market. The emission levels of
> > tata vehicles are so high, that no authority seems to have courage
> > to see the smoke bellowing out of the exhausts of the diesel
> > vehicles. !
> >
> >  Regards,
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "S. Jabbar" <sonia.jabbar at gmail.com>
> > Date: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 9:53 am
> > Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Olive Ridley turtles
> > To: Tapas Ray <tapasrayx at gmail.com>, sarai list <reader-
> > list at sarai.net>
> >
> >> Tapas,
> >>
> >> Thanks for your mail detailing Tata's Gopalpur activities. I
> >> really think
> >> the large corporations who go to town advertising their corporate
> >> responsibility ought to be exposed for what they are.
> >>
> >> I was really excited about Tata BP solar at first when I
> >> discovered they had
> >> many products oriented towards the individual consumer.  I wanted
> >> to install
> >> a solar powered inverter in my apartment this summer.  Try finding an
> >> outlet— it was near impossible.  So I got in touch with them
> >> through their
> >> website. No response. So I wrote off an angry email and finally
> >> someone sent
> >> me a number of a distributor. I called him.  The price was
> >> exorbitant, at
> >> least 20,000 Rs. more than a regular inverter! I rapidly lost
> >> interest. He
> >> was a nice guy so we had a long chat about the ridiculousness of the
> >> situation, how things were overpriced and there was no govt.
> >> subsidy for the
> >> urban consumer and no Tata subsidy either.  Surely if they priced
> >> themselvesreasonably they would have enough demand for the product
> >> to be profitable in
> >> the long run.  Surely they know this, so why don't they do it?
> >>
> >> My other grouse is about their smoke belching diesel vehicles.  My
> >> love of
> >> the mountains often takes me to places like Ladakh, Lahaul and
> >> Spiti.  Next
> >> time you are there remember to look at the hillsides along the
> >> highways,particularly on corners.  Because there is no vegetation
> >> it is easy to see
> >> the effect of Diesel trucks.  The rocks are black with deposits.
> >> It is
> >> disgusting that companies like the Tatas have been allowed to
> >> continue to
> >> produce sub-standard engines in their trucks and buses .  Why
> >> aren't they
> >> subjected to emission norms?  They really ought to be taxed
> >> heavily when
> >> entering the high Himalayas with their very fragile eco systems
> >> and  made to
> >> clean up the rock faces at the very least.
> >>
> >> And then the much touted one lakh Nano.  How I would have rejoiced
> >> if all
> >> the R&D had gone into producing a one lakh electric car!  BTW poor
> >> REVA,  I
> >> believe they don't get any support from the Go I.
> >>
> >>
> >> Best
> >> sj
> >>
> >>
> >> On 4/21/08 8:16 PM, "Tapas Ray" <tapasrayx at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Sonia,
> >>
> >> Thanks for forwarding this release. I agree with you that one need
> >>> not
> >> go starry-eyed about Tata. Look at the way it has steamrolled over a
> >> large
> >>> section of people unwilling to give up their land in Singur
> >> (West Bengal),
> >>> helped by an obliging state government and CPI(M).
> >>
> >> A little over a decade
> >>> ago, as a journalist, I covered the popular
> >> opposition it was encountering in
> >>> Gopalpur-on-Sea (Orissa) for its
> >> plan to set up an integrated steel plant,
> >>> take over the small local
> >> port and turn it into a large one, etc. Predictably,
> >>> the state
> >> government (of Orissa) was bending over backwards, sending in
> >>> police,
> >> to carry out its wishes. There were clashes, roads were dug up,
> >>> etc.
> >>
> >> I believe the company has had - or is going to have - its way
> >>> despite
> >> all that resistance ... perhaps more than it had bargained for at
> >>> that
> >> time, because later there was talk of an SEZ. As we know, these SEZs
> >> are
> >>> nothing but militarised outposts - considering the way their
> >> administrative
> >>> structure has been planned - of global capitalism, on
> >> whose block Tata is now
> >>> the new kid, and is duly revered for this by
> >> state governments and political
> >>> parties across the spectrum in India,
> >> from Gujarat to West Bengal.
> >>
> >> I used to
> >>> think that the Tata group is an enlightened one, but have
> >> been rather unsure
> >>> of that since I saw what they were up to in
> >> Gopalpur.
> >>
> >> A side note - there is
> >>> a parallel between our SEZs and Shanghai. My
> >> suggestion to the state and
> >>> central governments in India: if you want
> >> to emulate China, don't beat about
> >>> the bush; just turn the whole
> >> country into one big Shanghai.
> >>
> >> Another side
> >>> note, this one about Greenpeace: Some months ago, in one
> >> of their newsletters,
> >>> they were talking about "green Apple". A couple
> >> of months later, they realised
> >>> that Apple wasn't that green after all.
> >> I think they need to be more careful
> >>> with their assessment of
> >> corporations and governments.
> >>
> >> Tapas
> >>
> >>
> >> On 21/04/2008,
> >>> S. Jabbar <sonia.jabbar at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> From the Greenpeace campaign for
> >>> the Olive Ridley Turtles.  Not that I find
> >>>  the TATA environmental record
> >>> that great...
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>  Why Save the turtles?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>  Consider thisŠ Olive Ridley
> >>> turtles rely on an inexplicable, in-built
> >>>  navigation system that guides
> >>> them, when it¹s time for them to reproduce,
> >>>  back to the precise coast on
> >>> which they were born.
> >>>
> >>>  Now consider something elseŠ The proposed Tata port
> >>> at Dhamra threatens a
> >>>  nesting site that is amongst the last honeymoon
> >>> suites for the remaining
> >>>  Olive Ridleys, a highly-endangered species that
> >>> swims all the way here from
> >>>  places as far away as Australia and the
> >>> Philippines.
> >>>
> >>>  When you consider these two facts together, it seems only
> >>> logical that Tata
> >>>  would reconsider its decision to build the port at
> >>> Dhamra, and build it in
> >>>  an area that¹s less ecologically sensitive. It
> >>> seems especially logical when
> >>>  it¹s Tata we¹re talking about.
> >>>
> >>>  After
> >>> all, Tata has grown from a national giant into an international
> >>>  player,
> >>> while constantly stating its commitment to the principles of social
> >>>
> >>> upliftment, environmental justice and sustainable development.
> >> The Tata
> >>>
> >>> brand is ubiquitous, present in hundreds of products that have
> >> genuinely>
> >>> improved the lives of generations of Indians; from the Tata salt
> >> that>
> >>> flavours our daily bread, the Tata BP solar geyser that warms
> >> our winter
> >>>
> >>> baths, the Tata Telecom that manages our communications, to the
> >> Tata cars>
> >>> that Œdrive a billion dreams.¹
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>  And yet, in Orissa, we¹re witnessing a
> >>> different side to the same Tata. A
> >>>  Tata that shuts its ears to reason. A
> >>> Tata that looks the other way when
> >>>  confronted with evidence. A Tata that
> >>> cares nothing for the community, and
> >>>  even less for nature.
> >>>
> >>>  The port
> >>> Tata is proposing to build in Dhamra will directly affect the Olive
> >>>  Ridley
> >>> turtles. With 150,000 to 350,000 Olive Ridley turtles nesting in the
> >>>
> >>> vicinity, the average number of hatchlings is believed to range
> >> from 15
> >>>
> >>> million to 35 million.
> >>>
> >>>  When confronted by Greenpeace Tata promised
> >>> concerned citizens that it would
> >>>  abandon the port Œif evidence of turtle
> >>> presence and the ecological
> >>>  significance of the area were ever
> >>> unearthed.¹
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>  The evidence was submitted , but this promise wasn¹t kept.
> >>> The perfunctory
> >>>  EIA carried out in this area isn't worth the paper it's
> >>> printed on. Another
> >>>  nesting season has passed us by, with turtle mortality
> >>> from mechanized
> >>>  fishing agonizingly high. Coming in addition to this annual
> >>> death toll, the
> >>>  Tata port could be the final nail in the turtle¹s coffin,
> >>> ensuring that this
> >>>  area is never safe for turtles again.
> >>>
> >>>  Will this
> >>> willful destruction be the legacy that Tata leaves behind in
> >>>  Orissa?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Not if you can help it.
> >>>
> >>>  Please do what I've done. Write directly to Ratan
> >>> by clicking here
> >>>
> >>> <http://www.greenpeace.org/india/turtles/write-to-tata>
> >>>
> >>>
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