[Reader-list] Gun Salutes for August 15

[Aditya Raj Kaul]

Dear Inder,

You seem to be as confused as your name here. Writing half-truths and acting
blind to facts won't solve any situation.

I wonder what you meant about Trishuls. You proved you don't have a
"Thokurkuth" (small temple found in each Kashmiri Pandit household) at home.
Anyways, that is your personal choice.

You again are mistajen when you say there were no Kashmiris in the Shrine
Board. There were atleast two and both women from Kashmir. I suggest you
read a bit more about Amarnath history and also the recent fuss being
created on a normal land transfer.

Mind you. That land was not donated; it was and remains a right of the
pilgrims and also the Kashmiri Hindus and Dogras equally. It is no ancestrol
property of Omar Abdullah; as he shamelessly claimed in the Indian
Parliament or for that matter any particular community.

Number of casualties have been higher in Kashmir. Agreed. But, who should be
blamed for it ? The so called Kashmiri leaders (Sepratists and PDP, NC). For
they were the ones to instigate communal passion in the youth against Hindus
and entire India. You can't just walk to the LoC and cross it. Its amusing
the way you write Inder.

Kashmir has always been a part of India and will remain an integral part of
India always. Now, if a few people are not happy about it and don't want to
remain in India; they can well apply and live outside. They are welcome to
move out. Then, be it Muzafarabad or Zaharbad.

Its so touching to see Muslims, Gujjars and Sikhs come along with all Hindus
of Jammu in this movement for Amarnath Land. And, I know; its very
uncomfortable for some vested interests in Kashmir and New Delhi to dijest
this fact. A few in this post chain would understand what I mean.

The reality is Jammu has been discriminated upon for almost 60 years now. Be
it in Government, administration, KAS, etc etc. And, all that anger comes
out now along with this movement...

Today even I think of Sanjay Kak's "Jashn-e-Azadi". It for sure for was a
successful failure on part of the director. How true did he depict the
communal leaders of the valley. Never did he realise; it no less then 2
years the people of his movie would again act the same in reality.

And, for long lasting peace in Kashmir; separatists need to be handled tough
with. There is a lot of freedom given to them and they have started to
misuse it.

Hope you sometimes even think as a Kashmiri Pandit who faced the brunt of a
forced exodus at the hands of Islamic Terrorists.

Aditya Raj Kaul


On 8/15/08, inder salim <indersalim at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Dear all
>
> "of the grave situation in Jammu & Kashmiri"    yes, dear Aditya,
> the situation indeed is grave.
>
> it is unfortunate that killings happened in the drama of
> land-transfer-no-transfer . whether people have been hit above or
> below the belt, the no. of casualities is much higher in kashmir which
> has proved the point which dear Shuddha rasided today on 15th of
> august.
>
> why this happened ?  Congress has always played games with vote bank
> politics. They have indeed sired  communal parties
> in india. They shamelessly promoted dynasty rule as well. Narshimha
> Rao almost taught BJP  them how to hold trishul in their hands.
>
> In kashmir they were worse than that : they jailed Sheik ,  Mohd.
> Abudllah, the most popular leader for no fault of his. Kashmir never
> never wanted to be part of India, and out of that  Indian bully
> emerged article 370, which too was trampled time and again the past.
> Now donating land to Amar Nath Shrine Board, which has no kashmiri in
> it, would have equalled high way robbery. Now if jammu's hindu fails
> to see the reason, how we can blame valley muslims for defending what
> Indian constitution grants them in the first palce.
>
> I dont know if kashmiris want to be part of pakistan, but they
> certainly dont want  Indian pass ports for any identiy. Simple Gujjars
> and Bakerwals and other poor people are too casual about the whole
> issue, but those who live  in affulent areas ensure that they too are
> brought into such a mainstream.
>
> now every body knows what is 370. (trahath satath )  so they are
> uninimous in their right to defend the historical truth which has
> become their identity and fate even.
>
> Article 370 has also proved environmental friendly so far. Rich elites
> from india would have purchased lot many mountains in kashmir for
> their summer time holidays, and that has not happened, but it would be
> unfortunate if kashmiris themselves construct hotels in Baltal for
> greed. afterall shrine boards and other such boards make money for
> their own good.
>
> today, I think of Sanjay kak's jashn-e-azadi, and the reason why it
> was a sucess.
>
> For a long lasting peace in kashmir, india has to find a solution.
> rest of it is too fragile...
>
> till then best
> love
> is
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 15, 2008 at 10:20 AM, Aditya Raj Kaul
> <kauladityaraj at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Dear Shuddha,
> >
> > Your post only reflects how wrong you are in your entire assessment
> r. I wonder why you could only see it from
> > one perspective and rather chose to go with the direction of the wind. It
> > shows your unfortunate tilt and inclination towards the anti-national and
> > anti-India forces. You know what I mean.
> >
> > You obviously should have this understanding that things have been blown
> out
> > of proportion in some cases. Muzamel Jaleel covers Express from Srinagar;
> I
> > wonder how he knows so intricate details about Jammu. Surely, I cannot
> trust
> > his sources. His reporting in Express shows again his tilt towards state
> > bashing and support to the fanatic separatists in Kashmir. He forgot that
> it
> > was a journalistic piece or news item and not his column where he could
> go
> > on with the same rhetoric.
> >
> > You really need to brush up with reading your daily Indian Express
> complete.
> > Maybe, the following few reports help you understand it better:
> >
> > 1. *Jammu Muslims back stir, but fear
> > clashes*<http://www.indianexpress.com/story/345557.html>
> >
> >   Link - http://www.indianexpress.com/story/345557.html
> >
> > 2. *Two more die in firing, Jammu
> > simmers*<http://www.indianexpress.com/story/344765.html>
> >    Link - http://www.indianexpress.com/story/344765.html
> >
> > 3. *In some areas, Army faces 'Gandhigiri' from
> > protestors*<http://www.indianexpress.com/story/345595.html>
> >    Link - http://www.indianexpress.com/story/345595.html
> >
> > 4. *One killed as Army fires at protestors, curfew
> > defied*<http://www.indianexpress.com/story/345556.html>
> >   Link - http://www.indianexpress.com/story/345556.html
> >
> > 5. *Recall Vohra: Karan Singh*<
> http://www.indianexpress.com/story/345182.html>
> >   Link - http://www.indianexpress.com/story/345182.html
> >
> > 6. *PDP now opposes the transfer, but records show how it said the
> > opposite*<http://www.indianexpress.com/story/345063.html>
> > Link - http://www.indianexpress.com/story/345063.html
> >
> > 7. *Jammu fires spread, Cong reaches out to BJP: help us defuse
> > crisis*<http://www.indianexpress.com/story/344371.html>
> >   Link - http://www.indianexpress.com/story/344371.html
> >
> > 8. *Centre stays away* <http://www.indianexpress.com/story/343927.html>
> >    Link - http://www.indianexpress.com/tsearch/search.php?pg=9
> >
> > 9. *Amarnath row: 13 injured, Army called
> > in*<http://www.indianexpress.com/story/343923.html>
> >   Link - http://www.indianexpress.com/story/343923.html
> >
> > 10. *Jammu burning* <http://www.indianexpress.com/story/343523.html>
> >     Link - http://www.indianexpress.com/story/343523.html
> >
> > 11. *Blast targets migrants, 5 of a family die in
> > J-K*<http://www.indianexpress.com/story/340194.html>
> >     Link - http://www.indianexpress.com/story/340194.html
> >
> > 12. *Bid to attack Amarnath yatris foiled, 3 militants killed:
> > police*<http://www.indianexpress.com/story/338647.html>
> >     Link - http://www.indianexpress.com/story/338647.html
> >
> > I just hope you read these news items too and not just your favourite
> > Muzamel Jalil.
> >
> > It was a planned move to raise an issue such as "Economic Blockade" by
> the
> > separatists and hardline groups from the valley. I see a pattern here. As
> > reports say, it was even backed by ISI.
> >
> > We all know, very well now that there was NO economic blockade. It was
> just
> > to gain publicity and to distract attention from the real issue of
> Amarnath
> > Land.
> >
> > Shuddha, You have a great ability to play with words. Though your crafty
> > language won't gain much sympathy as it shows no logic. Food, Oil, Water,
> > Baby Milk, medicine etc etc all are in good supply to th valley and
> valley
> > itself has great amount of stock to last almost 3 months. If there has
> been
> > urgency for some material; it has been airlifted; as on previous
> occassions.
> >
> >
> > Your comments are sick and can only make things worse. I don't undertsnad
> > what your intentions are. You surely don't understand PEACE !!!!
> >
> > It was people in Jammu who were shot on head. See pictures for urself at
> > www.thekashmir.wordpress.com/  While on the other hand, your Sheikh
> Abdul
> > Aziz a former Terrorist and now with Hurriyat was hit on the leg and he
> lost
> > his life due to blood loss.
> >
> > This disinformation campaign launched by Kashmir based sepratists,
> fanatics,
> > and  3 hardline funded newspapers and then supported by secular
> apologists
> > based in Delhi and elsewhere only make matters worse.
> >
> > The so called movement in Kashmir in complete fake and does not have
> mandate
> > of the people. By mere brainwashing people and instigating communal
> > passions; one cannot achiece any goal. Moreover, a movement which began
> with
> > targetting the minority Hindu community, killing them and with communal
> > slogans; cannot land up anywhere.
> >
> > As India celebrates 61 years of Independence, Kashmiri Hindus complete
> yet
> > another year in forced exile. Its been more than 18 years now. The night
> of
> > 19th Jan. 1990; still haunts in the minds of the victims. 50,000 thousand
> of
> > whom are still languishing in refugee camps in Jammu and its outskirts.
> >
> > And, then these limousine Communists say these protests in Jammu are by
> > RSS/BJP/VHP. I wonder if they have travelled to Jammu themselves and seen
> > the amount of anger in people. Do that and you will know what a people's
> > movement is !!! Sitting in Ac rooms, dictating lectures on sarai, and
> > sticking your finger to the latest laptop won't tell you much about the
> > situation in Jammu. And, these are our modern communists....
> >
> > The transfer of the 40 hectares of land to the Shri Amarnath Shrine Board
> > was the most logical, legal and ethical decision taken by the cabinet.
> Why
> > does this disturb the few sepratist elements in Kashmir who are hell bent
> to
> > communalise the situation ? It onlt goes on to show the religious and
> > cultural intolerance in so called Kashmiri Muslim leaders.
> >
> > This Amarnath Land Row was as well a sinster game plan of the PDP; that
> is
> > evident from the above Indian Express reports which quotes all official
> > documents. It was clear cut vote bank politics and to divide the
> communities
> > in this state of India.
> >
> > Omar Abdullah on the other hand gave a highly inflamatory statement in
> the
> > Parliament; not realising its consequenes. He did it without thinking too
> > much, and just to attract attention of the media. Let me tell him, that
> its
> > not only the land of Kashmiri Muslims, its equally of Kashmiri Pandits.
> And,
> > we will fight till the very end to have it....
> >
> > Its unfortunate that holding the Indian Flag high in Jammu is a crime to
> > some here while holding a Pakistani Flag in Kashmir seems to be some kind
> of
> > symbol and some great work. I pity those people.
> >
> > Hope some sense prevails upon those minds who support these communal
> forces
> > in the valley without a second thought. They have sold their conscience.
> Are
> > you guys so cheap ?
> >
> > Aditya Raj Kaul
> >
> > On 8/15/08, Shuddhabrata Sengupta <shuddha at sarai.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> Dear all,
> >>
> >> (apologies for cross posting on Kafila)
> >>
> >> Anniversaries are good opportunities for reflection. I write this the
> >> early hours of 15th August, 2008, the 61st anniversary of Indian
> >> independence.
> >>
> >> The events of the past few months, and the past few days, in the
> >> Indian adminsitered state of Jammu and Kashmir have demonstrated how
> >> well and how equally (or not) the police, paramilitaries and armed
> >> forces of the Indian Republic treat different kinds of protesting
> >> crowds. The facts that I am about to discuss are good measures with
> >> which to think about the relationship between acts of power,
> >> different kinds of people, sovereignty, life and death in the Indian
> >> nation state as it has evolved over the past 61 years.
> >>
> >> The region of Jammu in the province of Jammu and Kashmir has been
> >> caught in the grip of a fierce agitation against the revocation of
> >> the land transfer to the Amarnath Shrine Board. We have all seen
> >> footage of angry SASS (Shri Amarnath Sangharsh Samiti) activists
> >> brandishing trishuls, setting up roadblocks and burning tyres, the
> >> agitation has spread to different parts of India
> >>
> >> As of August 10, the following has taken place (in Jammu)
> >>
> >> "...* 18 cases have been registered in connection with communal
> >> violence in which 20 persons were injured, 72 Kulas (hutments) of
> >> Gujjars were burnt down, 22 vehicles damaged and several trucks
> >> carrying supplies looted. "These are only reported incidents. Many
> >> such incidents have taken place, which have not been reported so
> >> far," the officers told the team.
> >>
> >> * 117 police personnel and 78 civilians were injured including two
> >> policemen who were lynched and are "battling for life" in PGI
> >> Chandigarh while six civilians were killed, including three in police
> >> and Army action.
> >>
> >> * 129 cases were registered against the rioters. A total of 1171
> >> arrests were made but most of them are now out on bail.
> >>
> >> * 10, 513 protest demonstrations and 359 serious incidents of
> >> violence have taken place across Jammu in which 28 government
> >> buildings, 15 police vehicles and 118 private vehicles have been
> >> damaged..."
> >>
> >> The information given above is quoted from - "Dangerous divide: Jammu
> >> officials put it in black and white"
> >> by Muzamil Jaleel, Indian Express, August 10, 2008. Muzamil Jaleel
> >> culled this information from a briefing delivered by government
> >> officials in the Jammu region to a visiting 'all party delegation'
> >> http://www.indianexpress.com/story/346889.html
> >>
> >> As is clear, of the 6 reported deaths in the Jammu region, two are of
> >> policemen, who were attacked by the pro Amarnath Land Transfer
> >> agitationists. Two of these are suicides, both of whom have been
> >> hailed as 'martyrs' by the Shree Amarnath Sangharsh Samiti activists.
> >> Only two out of six deaths, in the past twenty or so days of
> >> relentless and violent agitation, which included intimidation of
> >> truckers on the Jammu Srinagar highway can be attributed to police or
> >> paramilitary action. Each of these deaths is unfortunate and deserves
> >> to be condemned.
> >>
> >> In two further and separate incidents, the VHP, BJP, Shiv Sena  and
> >> Sangh Parivar and allied organizations 'Chakka Jam' that paralysed
> >> roads in major cities yesterday, two more people died, because they
> >> could not reach hospitals on time. These two people were the
> >> 'collateral damage' of the upsurge of patriotic sentiment displayed
> >> by activists sympathetic to the SASS agitation in Jammu.
> >>
> >> On the other hand, in the part of the Kashmir valley administered and
> >> occupied by India, in the past few days alone, in several instances
> >> of firing on unarmed mobs, have led to the deaths of 29 people. Many
> >> of these deaths occured when unarmed crowds tried to accompany trucks
> >> carrying fruit (which had earlier been prevented from proceeding
> >> towards markets on the Srinagar Jammu highway) towards Pakistan
> >> Occupied Kashmir. Fruit growers in Indian administered Kashmir were
> >> at the forefront of attempting to salvage precious stocks of produce
> >> by taking to the 'Muzafarabad Road'. Apart from the 29 confirmed
> >> dead, several more are in hospitals, injured in critical conditions,
> >> and there lives are endangered by the fact that life saving medicines
> >> are in short supply due to the economic blockade of the Kashmir
> >> valley. trying to reach across the line of control to Pakistan
> >> Occupied Kashmir.
> >>
> >> The difference in treatment of two different kinds of crowds is easy
> >> to see. In one instance, more than twenty days of continuing, violent
> >> agitation result in two deaths by police firing. In another instance,
> >> less than a week's agitation results in 29 deaths. Clearly, the loss
> >> of lives in the Kashmir valley does not amount to much in the
> >> calculus of power. A rough arithmetic of sorts would indicate that a
> >> comparison of two casualties (in Jammu) to twenty nine casualties (in
> >> Kashmir) means that agitating Kashmiri lives are approximately fiteen
> >> times less significant (or more expendable) than agitating Jammu
> >> lives. The agitation in Jammu has harped often on how it is
> >> discriminated against in comparison to Kashmir. In one sense at least
> >> there is some truth in this charge. In the matter of the expenditure
> >> of bullets by the Indian state, there is no comparison at all between
> >> Jammu and Kashmir. When it comes to ammunition, way more bullets are
> >> spent in Kashmir than is the case in Jammu.
> >>
> >> It is clear, that the Indian state's armed might does not confront
> >> rampaging Jammu mobs if they hold the tricolour and shout nationalist
> >> slogans, or slogans in favour of the Amarnath Shrine Board's desire
> >> for land in the Kashmir Valley, even if they sometimes lynch
> >> policemen. On the other hand, unarmed fruit growers and ordinary
> >> people on the streets of the Kashmir valley are sitting targets for
> >> trigger happy police, paramilitary and army personnel. Guns can be,
> >> and are being aimed at their heads.Unlike Jammu, no policemen or
> >> armed forces personnel have been killed, at least until now, in the
> >> course of the fruit growers agitation in the Kashmir valley.
> >>
> >> As, independence day dawns, a clear pattern emerges. When push comes
> >> to shove, the Indian state has no hesitation in expending its bullets
> >> in some cases, and in showing exemplary restraint in others. Mowing
> >> down crowds that hold the tricolour flag aloft doesn't look good on
> >> TV. But, obviously, a little bloodletting in the streets of Srinagar
> >> on the eve of Independence day is good for 'national' morale.
> >>
> >> Now, if, you were one of those who happens to be the kind of person
> >> who the state seems to be willing to favour with a  shower of bullets
> >> at any given opportunity, would you be celebrating 'Independence
> >> Day'? What would you be celebrating, - your freedom to fall to a
> >> policeman's gun?
> >>
> >> No wonder they play national anthems with gun salutes. A hail of
> >> bullets makes for the most fitting percussive accompaniment to
> >> poignant displays of national pride in India today.
> >>
> >>
> >> Shuddhabrata Sengupta
> >>
> >>
> >>
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