[Reader-list] Gun Salutes for August 15

[Pawan Durani]

Yes , they are . For once they are telling a truth...for a change

On Sun, Aug 17, 2008 at 9:35 PM, Shivam Vij शिवम् विज्
<mail at shivamvij.com>wrote:

> Say that in Srinagar to a shikawala or a taxi driver or a shopkeeper
> and you know what you will hear?
>
> "We are al terorrists here."
>
> best
> shivam
>
> On 8/17/08, Pawan Durani <pawan.durani at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Yeah ...i agree .Geelani is a terrorist.
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Aug 17, 2008 at 9:21 PM, Shivam Vij शिवम् विज् <
> mail at shivamvij.com>
> > wrote:
> > > Pawan bhai, you might want to read my reply again.
> > >
> > > While Geelani's Pak inclinations are well known, he is not the only
> > > leader, his is not he only view. Even he has been forced to tone hem
> > > down over the years because public sentiment is for azadi. And if you
> > > talk to people in Srinagar, they will often tell you that the Pakistan
> > > bogey is often an act of provocation, and for various reasons most
> > > Kashmiris don't trust Pakistan, don't see that as an option.
> > >
> > > Okay, let's stop debating this how about a referendum?
> > >
> > > And the Kashmir azadi movement has its share of communal elements but
> > > to equate Geelani with Advani or Modi is a bit too much. I am not
> > > getting into the chap act of body counts...
> > >
> > > best
> > > shivam
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 8/17/08, Pawan Durani <pawan.durani at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > Shivam,
> > > >
> > > > Make no mistake , that Kashmir "Azadi" agitation is no less dangerous
> > than
> > > > an Al Qaida or a Talibani Movement.
> > > >
> > > > What do you mean by "Pakitsan Se rishta Kya...la illa illa laa "
> > > >
> > > > And Geelani saying "Jeeve Jeeve Pakistan"
> > > >
> > > > Kashmir so called Azaadi struggle has been the most dangerous and
> > communal
> > > > movement which has effected even the world super powers.
> > > >
> > > > For more info log on www.ikashmir.net
> > > >
> > > > Pawan
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Sun, Aug 17, 2008 at 9:03 PM, Shivam Vij शिवम् विज्
> > <mail at shivamvij.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > Dear Sonia,
> > > > >
> > > > > This is not the first time you are equating the azadi movement in
> > > > > Kashmir with the Hindutva movement. While Shuddha has already
> laboured
> > > > > over the diference in the two cases, I want to add that this is a
> > > > > dangerously sweeping comparison, and that you can go only so far
> with
> > > > > it. This generalised comparison helps you label the entire azadi
> > > > > sruggle as cmmunal, as being mtivated by Hindu/Mulsim concerns.
> While
> > > > > I don't deny the absence of this, do you admit that the Kashmiri
> > > > > Muslims mainly want independence from India - not Hindus? If it was
> > > > > about the Hindu-Muslim, Hindutva-Jehad binaries, wouldn't the
> majority
> > > > > demand be for Pakistan rather than an independent nation-state?
> > > > >
> > > > > Warmly,
> > > > > Shivam
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On 8/16/08, S. Jabbar <sonia.jabbar at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > Hi Shuddha,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > A quick & hopefully short reply to some of the points you have
> > raised.
> > > > You
> > > > > > may not have named it as such but the feeling in the valley is
> very
> > much
> > > > > > about a Hindu state resorting to greater violence against Muslim
> > Kashmir
> > > > > > than Hindu Jammu. While it is easy to arrive at this conclusion
> > given
> > > > > > India¹s history of communal violence, I was merely trying to
> point
> > out
> > > > that
> > > > > > in Kashmir the situation was slightly different, and obviously
> not
> > to
> > > > accuse
> > > > > > you of communal thinking.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I read with some surprise your taking issue with my use of the
> > phrase,
> > > > > > Œbaying for blood¹ and your accompanying list of slogans used
> during
> > the
> > > > > > protests.  It is incomplete and I could add a few more but I
> really
> > > > don¹t
> > > > > > want to vitiate and already horrible situation.  I¹m sure you
> > remember
> > > > 1989
> > > > > > and the slogan ŒJai Sri Ram.¹  Advani had used a similar argument
> > when
> > > > > > challenged.  He said something like, what is communal or
> provocative
> > > > about
> > > > > > taking God¹s name?  What, indeed, except when there is a thousand
> > strong
> > > > mob
> > > > > > screaming God¹s name and marching towards Muslim localities as
> they
> > did
> > > > in
> > > > > > Œ92 and Œ93.  I would describe that as baying for blood.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Incidentally, here¹s a report in the HT on the Police vs. CRPF
> > > > culpability:
> > > > > > -----------------------------------------------
> > > > > > THE KASHMIR situation has taken a new turn with police becoming
> the
> > main
> > > > > > target of protesters.
> > > > > > There have also been calls for their social boycott.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The local population is angry for the police's "brutal conduct
> > against
> > > > their
> > > > > > own people".
> > > > > >
> > > > > > State police has been active alongside the CRPF to crush protests
> in
> > > > Kashmir
> > > > > > over the past four days, which left 23 dead and around 200
> injured.
> > > > > > Incidentally, the contingent that fired on the "cross-LOC"
> marchers
> > in
> > > > Uri
> > > > > > on August 10 was led by a local Khursheed Khan, station house
> > officer of
> > > > > > Sheeri police station. Senior Hurriyat leader Shaikh Aziz and two
> > others
> > > > > > were killed in the incident. Mirwaiz Ummer Faroog said "it was a
> > target
> > > > > > killing".
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hundreds of people attacked Khan's residence in Baramullah and
> > torched
> > > > it.
> > > > > > They also torched Sheeri police station. Several such incidents
> have
> > > > been
> > > > > > reported across the Valley People at Handwara have called for a
> > social
> > > > > > boycott of cops and their relatives. Residents of Srinagar's Raj
> > Bagh
> > > > > > locality took out a protest march on Wednesday, asking the police
> > > > "whether
> > > > > > they stand for India or for their people in Kashmir". This is in
> > stark
> > > > > > contrast to 1990, when militancy erupted. Police then were seen
> as
> > > > > > "friendly". Hundreds of cops had resigned and joined militancy.
> > > > > >
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> > >
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