[Reader-list] Kashmir Struggle in 2008 - Dr Shabir Choudhry

[Dr Shabir Choudhry]

Hello
Thank you for your email.

Very true and without that treatment he COULD have lost his life. If India
wa so keen to get him killed as Gilani and his supporters claim then
authorities could have left him inthe jail and let him die natural death as
many other people die.

 In my opinion only political leader killed by Indian authorities or by
Indian bullet is Sheikh Abdul Aziz, who was shot dead while the procession
wanted to cross LOC. Again according to authorities when a crowed of
thousands try to cross the LOC, which according to them is illegal and
dangerous as they could get hostile treatment from theother side as well, it
was their responsbility to manage people on their side of LOC and ordinary
soldiers cannot tell who is who in the crowed.

That however is no excuse to kill innocent people. I condemn it and I am
sure many Indians would do the same.



On 20/08/2008, Lalit Ambardar <lalitambardar at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> I wonder why the assassination of Baloch nationalist Nawab Akbar Bugti was
> missed out. And here, not long ago Kashmiri pan Islamist Sayed Ali Shah
> Jillani -Pakistani loyalist was airlifted in a state owned plane from Ranchi
> jail to Bombay for treatment.
> Regards
> LA
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> > Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 07:06:16 -0700
> > From: kshmendra2005 at yahoo.com
> > To: reader-list at sarai.net
> > Subject: [Reader-list] Kashmir Struggle in 2008 - Dr Shabir Choudhry
> >
> > Interesting Blog entry by the well known (notorious in the eyes of some)
> Politician/Commentator Dr Shabir Choudhry.
> >
> > Kshmendra
> >
> > EXCERPTS:
> >
> > - Call it armed struggle, jihad, terrorism or a proxy war it destroyed
> fundamental character of the Kashmiri society, and Kashmiri struggle for
> right of self determination. This armed struggle which was initiated,
> supported and promoted by secret agencies of Pakistan resulted in human
> rights violations and deepened the divisions in the Kashmiri society.
> >
> > - In this struggle a Pakistani gun and agenda was implemented by using a
> Kashmiri shoulder. It was presented to us by Pakistan and Kashmiri
> leadership as a Kashmiri struggle for liberation; and with hindsight we see
> that we Kashmiris were used as a raw material in this proxy war, and it
> added to our misery and suffering.
> >
> > - I said to him that Pakistan got independence one day before India, and
> Pakistan has also occupied some parts of Jammu and Kashmir; wouldn't it be
> better to have a demonstration outside Pakistani High Commission first
> followed by one outside the Indian High Commission.
> >
> > - There was no need to kill and torture people like that, but the
> Pakistani army did the same thing in1992 and more than 8 innocent people
> lost their lives.
> >
> > - Prior to this tragedy, National Students Federation members who were
> trying to cross the LOC were also killed and tortured by the Pakistan army.
> When it comes to enforcing 'law and order' or enforcing 'writ of government'
> army is trained to kill and torture, as it is happening in Jammu and Kashmir
> and in Swat, Balochistan, North West Frontier and FATA; or as it happened
> when Red Mosque was invaded and destroyed in name of enforcing 'writ of
> government'.
> >
> > - I further said India virtually lost Kashmir Valley in 1990/1, however
> despite other heavy handedness India did not use helicopter gun ships or air
> force against Muslim militants; in Pakistan on the other hand helicopter gun
> ships and F 16 are regularly used to target alleged Muslim 'terrorists' in
> which innocent Pakistani Muslims are killed and their houses are destroyed.
> If you need any further evidence how Pakistani forces behave when asked to
> deal with 'rebels' or with those who demand rights then read history of East
> Pakistan or Bangladesh; or even ask members of Jammu and Kashmir Plebiscite
> Front how they were treated in 1970/1 during investigations regarding Ganga
> Hijacking.
> >
> > - I said without being pro this or anti that one can see a nation whose
> leadership takes pride in 'selling' their (Pakistani) sons and daughters for
> sake of American dollars, just take example of Dr Afia Sadiqqi who was
> arrested in Karachi with her three young children and has ended up in
> America, and where - about of her three young children is still not known.
> Do you expect any mercy or better treatment from rulers and establishment of
> this country? If they treat their own people like butchers and regard them
> as an economic commodity don't expect that they will treat us Kashmiris
> differently.
> >
> > - We Kashmiris still have not been able to decide who is enemy of our
> independence and who is deceiving us in name of religion and brotherhood. It
> is unfortunate that many of us still view Kashmir dispute in the context of
> Muslims and non Muslims, and accept whatever is presented to us by media and
> organisations controlled by Islamabad.
> >
> > - By promoting religious politics are we not playing in hands of
> extremists who want to justify Two Nations Theory that Muslims and non
> Muslims cannot live together, hence pave way for division of the State of
> Jammu and Kashmir on religious lines.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Kashmiri struggle in 2008
> >
> > Kashmiri struggle in 2008
> > Dr Shabir Choudhry 13 August 2008
> >
> > New phase of the Kashmiri struggle or whatever we want to call it in view
> of communalism, proxy war and terrorism, has been going on since 1947; and
> yet we people of Jammu and Kashmir have not been able to put our priorities
> right. We have not been able to differentiate between freedom and
> occupation. We have also failed to understand designs of both countries on
> Kashmir, and formulate appropriate policies to promote and advance a
> Kashmiri interest.
> >
> > In view of the above can we make a valid claim to get independence and be
> recognised as a free nation and play our due role in comity of nations,
> especially when what are known as Kashmiri leaders, at best have been acting
> as puppets of either one country or the other and promoting and defending
> interest of either India or Pakistan?
> >
> > Despite lack of democracy and encroachment of civil liberties the State
> of Jammu and Kashmir was one political entity in 1947. People of the State
> irrespective of their religious and cultural affiliations regarded
> themselves as Kashmiris, distinctly different from India and Pakistan; and
> wanted to maintain that difference.
> >
> > Today the unfortunate State is forcibly divided in many parts, and people
> of the State are divided on religious, cultural, regional and ethnic lines.
> These divisions have never been so deep and so frightening in the history of
> the State, and it looks that those powers who are behind these moves are
> paving the way for the division of the state on communal and regional lines.
> >
> > Call it armed struggle, jihad, terrorism or a proxy war it destroyed
> fundamental character of the Kashmiri society, and Kashmiri struggle for
> right of self determination. This armed struggle which was initiated,
> supported and promoted by secret agencies of Pakistan resulted in human
> rights violations and deepened the divisions in the Kashmiri society.
> >
> > In this struggle a Pakistani gun and agenda was implemented by using a
> Kashmiri shoulder. It was presented to us by Pakistan and Kashmiri
> leadership as a Kashmiri struggle for liberation; and with hindsight we see
> that we Kashmiris were used as a raw material in this proxy war, and it
> added to our misery and suffering.
> >
> > A few days ago a 'friend' who is still part of controversial nationalist
> group of JKLF invited me to take part in a picket outside an Indian High
> Commission on 15th August. According to him it was to demonstrate that India
> got independence on this date and they have occupied our country - Jammu and
> Kashmir. I said to him that Pakistan got independence one day before India,
> and Pakistan has also occupied some parts of Jammu and Kashmir; wouldn't it
> be better to have a demonstration outside Pakistani High Commission first
> followed by one outside the Indian High Commission.
> >
> > This friend said, how can we have a demonstration outside Pakistani High
> Commission, they are helping us against Indian occupation, can't you see how
> the Indian army has killed innocent people who were peacefully proceeding
> towards LOC. I said to him that I condemned this brutal killing. There was
> no need to kill and torture people like that, but the Pakistani army did the
> same thing in1992 and more than 8 innocent people lost their lives.
> >
> > I explained to him that in 1992 the JKLF people tried to cross the LOC
> from the AJK side and they were also innocent and wanted to proceed to the
> LOC peacefully, they were killed by the Pakistani army. Prior to this
> tragedy, National Students Federation members who were trying to cross the
> LOC were also killed and tortured by the Pakistan army. When it comes to
> enforcing 'law and order' or enforcing 'writ of government' army is trained
> to kill and torture, as it is happening in Jammu and Kashmir and in Swat,
> Balochistan, North West Frontier and FATA; or as it happened when Red Mosque
> was invaded and destroyed in name of enforcing 'writ of government'.
> >
> > I further said India virtually lost Kashmir Valley in 1990/1, however
> despite other heavy handedness India did not use helicopter gun ships or air
> force against Muslim militants; in Pakistan on the other hand helicopter gun
> ships and F 16 are regularly used to target alleged Muslim 'terrorists' in
> which innocent Pakistani Muslims are killed and their houses are destroyed.
> If you need any further evidence how Pakistani forces behave when asked to
> deal with 'rebels' or with those who demand rights then read history of East
> Pakistan or Bangladesh; or even ask members of Jammu and Kashmir Plebiscite
> Front how they were treated in 1970/1 during investigations regarding Ganga
> Hijacking.
> >
> > I said without being pro this or anti that one can see a nation whose
> leadership takes pride in 'selling' their (Pakistani) sons and daughters for
> sake of American dollars, just take example of Dr Afia Sadiqqi who was
> arrested in Karachi with her three young children and has ended up in
> America, and where - about of her three young children is still not known.
> Do you expect any mercy or better treatment from rulers and establishment of
> this country? If they treat their own people like butchers and regard them
> as an economic commodity don't expect that they will treat us Kashmiris
> differently.
> >
> > Knowledge of this friend was limited and he was having difficulty in
> justifying his argument, so he surrendered by saying that he could not
> compete with me in knowledge and argument. He said he was a loyal member of
> the JKLF and wanted to follow the party decision and the JKLF leaders. I
> appreciated his 'loyalty' but added that loyalty of his leaders is not with
> the JKLF or its ideology. Their loyalty is with agencies of our neighbours
> who reward them handsomely.
> >
> > I said decision to hold a picket outside an Indian High commission was
> taken else where but only endorsed in your meeting. Your leadership
> discussed it with relevant quarters, agreed certain terms and conditions and
> then brought this issue to your meeting to be approved. Normally committee
> of personal and party loyalists do not disagree with any decision which is
> presented to them as approved by the top leadership, especially there is
> always hundred per cent unanimity when any actions is related to India.
> >
> > This friend agreed with almost everything I said, but added that 'you
> have always been critical of top JKLF leadership and Pakistan. And now that
> I have left the JKLF I should not criticise JKLF and its policies, as it
> hurts us and that we will also criticise you and make allegations against
> you'.
> >
> > Whether he or some one else criticise me or not it is immaterial, what is
> important is the attitude of the Kashmiri people and especially that of
> 'nationalist' parties. It is unfortunate to note that despite this long
> struggle, sacrifices, and suffering on massive scale we as a nation have not
> been able to decide our priorities. We Kashmiris still have not been able to
> decide who is enemy of our independence and who is deceiving us in name of
> religion and brotherhood. It is unfortunate that many of us still view
> Kashmir dispute in the context of Muslims and non Muslims, and accept
> whatever is presented to us by media and organisations controlled by
> Islamabad.
> >
> > My colleagues and I have always regarded Jammu and Kashmir as one
> political entity, and have promoted cause of united and independent Kashmir,
> and advanced non - communal politics as Kashmir dispute is not a religious
> one. But it is unfortunate to note that in 2008 we Kashmiris are more
> divided and more communalised then we were in 1947; and gulf between the
> regions and communities is widening.
> >
> > Jammu and the Valley have different priorities and are playing in hands
> of those who want to play a religious card in order to divide the people on
> communal lines and advance their politics. Ladakh apart from the 'Kargil
> war' has not bee affected by the militancy; and has different agenda and has
> no interest with what is going on in other two regions. Azad Kashmir and
> Gilgit and Baltistan have no contact with each other and have different
> priorities and interests. People of Azad Kashmir, forgetting their own
> miseries and problems are seemed to be more concerned with what goes on
> across the LOC, and virtually accept everything what is presented to them by
> the Pakistani media.
> >
> > By promoting religious politics are we not playing in hands of extremists
> who want to justify Two Nations Theory that Muslims and non Muslims cannot
> live together, hence pave way for division of the State of Jammu and Kashmir
> on religious lines.
> >
> > Writer is a Spokesman of Kashmir National Party, political analyst and
> author of many books and booklets. Also he is Director Institute of Kashmir
> Affairs.
> > Email: drshabirchoudhry at gmail.com
> > To view other articles see my blog: www.drshabirchoudhry.blogspot.com
> >
> >
> http://drshabirchoudhry.blogspot.com/2008/08/kashmiri-struggle-in-2008.html
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Dr Shabir Choudhry