[Reader-list] Hindu terrorism in Jammu

Sat Aug 23 17:37:33 IST 2008

I am extremely delighted to see reactions from various corners over the
subject line "Hindu Terrorism". The waxed eloquent ranges from, how dare you
say? (not literally, but well polished), how can we refer to a community;
terrorist, if some people restore to violence…blah blah…to all
those.--doesn't same logic apply in case of Kashmiri's? According to Army
Chief's there are 1500-2000 militants there in last few years---but
invariably all kashmiri's are militants and paid the price and still paying
it, over 10000 disappeared; 13000 was jailed invoking PSA(this is the
official figure of those who served 2 years of their term in jail as on June
2007 ); among those who had visited Papa I and Papa II and still alive,
countless! ; Those arrested in various parts of India on fake terror
charges, I don't know but I know a few arrested at the age of 15 and lodged
in tihar (whereas he is supposed to be in a juvenile observation home) and
continue to be in jail without trial for 12 years!

Their crime, THEY ARE KASHMIRI'S and MUSLIMS! And they still be continued to
be referred as "Muslim Terrorist" easy to associate anyone to terrorism,
"muslim"…nobody found that offensive????? here I am pasting an earlier
posting

Dear Champions of Human Rights,

I request all of you to please go to Shrinagar, spend some time with our *
dear** muslim terrorist brothers* and then only you publish such type of
calls.

Vedavati

--- On Wed, 8/13/08, Kashmir Affairs <kashaffairs at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

From: Kashmir Affairs <kashaffairs at yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: [Reader-list] International Call to end Humanitarian Crisis in
Jammu and Kashmir
To: reader-list at sarai.net
Date: Wednesday, August 13, 2008, 12:24 AM

Where were all those responding now?? Didn't you find that offensive?  *
Hypocrites*!

Now once again I am referring to my response to Vedavati

"Your response badly tempted me to give you a crash course in "meaning of
terrorism"...Courtesy to Oxford English Dictionary.

*Terrorism*- *The unofficial or unauthorized use of violence and
intimidation in the pursuit of political aims*

*Terrorist*-*A person who uses **terrorism** in the pursuit of political
aims*."

   - Against this authentic definition from Oxford, I see reference from
   Shivam in no way inappropriate, if anyone does either they haven't searched
   the meaning or shocked to realize what is happening around.

   - Now, another point; All those who being 'hurt', Do you realize how bad
   it feels when you have to live with the brand 'terrorist', when you vaguely
   know what it means right from childhood!

If Sangarsh Samiti refers to protest in Kashmir as a terrorist act, here in
Jammu it's a corresponding call, *unofficial or unauthorized use of violence
and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims; **in **other **words** **
Terrorism.*

* *

*My humble submission to all would be: ours is a hypocritical naïve society
who has no clue over what they are arguing about and please try to use the
same yardstick, otherwise it could back fire, watch out!*

* *

*With regards*

* *

*Appu Esthose Suresh*
*Journalist*
**
*PS: Don't reply with the cliched arguments, you don't know the ground
realities, you are journalist, you are an evangelist low life with hidden
agenda.*
*I would love to respond and correct myself if there is any construcive
arguments. *

On 8/23/08, radhikarajen at vsnl.net <radhikarajen at vsnl.net> wrote:
>
> Exactly,  that is when journalists loose whatever little credibility that
> have had.!
>
>   By the way any of the list members , did you notice the issue of Delhi
> dreams advertisement, Farmers being congratulated for good harvest by Ag.
> Minister., appearing only in one cannel from th day of voting till now, as
> perhaps a payback scheme for the sting kept under wraps. ? That is the
> standard of journalism in visual media, thus in the process channels are
> loosing their credibilty as they get labelled by the viewers as pro party
> channels.?
>
> Regards.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: TaraPrakash <taraprakash at gmail.com>
> Date: Saturday, August 23, 2008 12:28 am
> Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Hindu terrorism in Jammu
> To: Shivam Vij शिवम् विज् <mail at shivamvij.com>, sarai list <
> reader-list at sarai.net>
>
> > Shivam and all. Shivam seems to have fallen prey to the
> > hindu/muslim binary
> > and seems to have decided to join the right side of the slash.
> >
> > You are losing objectivity. You are homodgenizing and communalizing,
> > RSSizing. Please come back to the standards you are known to uphold.
> >
> > Regards
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Shivam Vij शिवम् विज्" <mail at shivamvij.com>
> > To: "sarai list" <reader-list at sarai.net>
> > Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 5:47 AM
> > Subject: [Reader-list] Hindu terrorism in Jammu
> >
> >
> > > Jammu: Protesters attack Congress leader
> > >
> > > 22 Aug 2008, 0045 hrs IST,TNN
> > >
> >
> http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Jammu_tense_protesters_attack_police_station/articleshow/3389045.cms
> >
> > >
> > > JAMMU/SRINAGAR: There was no let up in violent protests against the
> > > revocation of forestland transfer to the Amarnath Shrine Board on
> > > Thursday, as senior Congress leader and former J&K deputy chief
> > > minister Mangat Ram Sharma had a narrow escape when protesters
> > > attacked him at Bhagwatinagar in Jammu. ( Watch )
> > >
> > > SSP S D S Jamwal said Sharma was attacked while he was visiting a
> > > doctor with his grandson. "Protesters attacked his vehicle with rods
> > > and stones," he said. Sources said a cop saved Sharma from the
> > > rampaging mob and whisked him away on his scooter. Raising
> > > anti-Congress, PDP and NC slogans, the protesters set three cars in
> > > Sharma's cavalcade on fire. "Later, the mob also torched a nearby
> > > police nakka," a police officer said.
> > >
> > > Sharma has been at the receiving end of the Amarnath protesters;
> > mobs> have twice attacked his house in Jammu's upmarket Gandhi Nagar
> > > neighbourhood. Day curfew, meanwhile, was lifted from Jammu and
> > > Udhampur districts, while it was relaxed for varying periods in
> > other> areas of the province. Curfew was reimposed in Jammu after
> > violent> protests on Wednesday, the third and final day of Shri
> > Amarnath Yatra
> > > Sangarsh Samiti (SASS)'s 'Jail Bharo Andolan'.
> > >
> > > Authorities relaxed curfew for three hours in Kishtwar town, the
> > scene> of communal clashes on August 12 that left two people dead
> > and several
> > > others injured. "Curfew was relaxed for 11 hours in Samba," a senior
> > > official said.
> > >
> > > A large number of people turned up for Samiti's scheduled "funeral
> > > ceremony of Union government" programme in Jammu. Reports from
> > across> Jammu region said similar processions were carried out "to
> > register> protest against Centre's silence over the Jammu agitation".
> > >
> > > The Valley remained largely peaceful for the third consecutive day,
> > > after 10 days of violent street protests against the alleged
> > economic> blockade left at least 22 people dead.
> > >
> > > Police resorted to teargas shelling and mild baton charge to
> > disperse> protesters at Munawarabad in old Srinagar. "The
> > protesters were trying
> > > to march towards United Nations Military Observers' office," an
> > > official said. He said no one was hurt in police action.
> > >
> > > Students continued to boycott classes and took to streets. "The
> > > indiscriminate use of power proves that New Delhi wants to suppress
> > > Kashmiris," Rafiqa Akhtar of prestigious Women's college said. She
> > > said college students' protests prove that even youth are against
> > > "imperialism".
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