[Reader-list] Oranges won't work anymore

[Aditya Raj Kaul]

Though the number is much higher then your figure, even the govt. is quoted
around 3.5 lakhs. You can't just club KP Exodus with any other.

By that logic, even those few hundred killings of Kashmiri Muslims can be
compared with killings of local goons such as Bunty etc. in Delhi, UP,
Haryana etc. Both have hand in criminal activities and meet safe fate.

Please have some level; don't stoop so low to distract the people.

Still, there are more than 50,000 Kashmiri Pandit refugee's languishing in
camps on the outskirts of Jammu. The exodus of this minority community was
one of the biggest in the modern history.

Have some guts to condemn your so called leaders Yasin Malik etc who killed
so many innocents mercilessly. Their hands are soaked in blood; and then
they talk of Aazadi. A communal propaganda doesn't last long; same will be
the case here.

Keep up with your hatred spree....

On 8/25/08, Kashmir Affairs <kashaffairs at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
> Pawan,
> - There is by no way, I repeat no way, more than 100,000 Kashmiri Pandits
> as migrants. And this number is almost same as those Kashmiri Muslims who
> were forced to migrate to Muzzaffarabad. While I am not trivilizing
> migration (without any prejudice to the stated cause) I think it is
> important that when we talk about migration - we have to talk about both. In
> addition, two million Kashmiri migrants living in various Pakistani cities
> have to be included into it as there is at least half a million of them who
> would like to come back.
>
> in solidarity,
> Murtaza
>
> --- On Mon, 25/8/08, Pawan Durani <pawan.durani at gmail.com> wrote:
> From: Pawan Durani <pawan.durani at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Oranges won't work anymore
> To: kashaffairs at yahoo.co.uk
> Cc: reader-list at sarai.net, "Aditya Raj Kaul" <kauladityaraj at gmail.com>
> Date: Monday, 25 August, 2008, 5:48 AM
>
> Murtazas figures seem to be as good as his "impartial" understanding of
> Kashmir. What a figure ? 1,00,000 KP's migrated out of Kashmir !
> I wonder how many marks Murtaza got in mathematics , unless he was very
> good only at divisions.
>
> Pawan
>
> On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 3:48 AM, Kashmir Affairs <kashaffairs at yahoo.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
> Wonderful. Indian 'democracy' has only one policy prescription in Kashmir -
> whole scale murder. A friend who has been at very top post in IB recently
> wrote back to me that 'those who don't want to live in India should
> migrate'. It seems had they not attacked the LoC March whole Kashmir would
> have gone to the otherside. Not a bad proposition in my view - life is more
> precious than land.
>
>
> In 1947 - quarter a million were massacred in Jammu and two million forced
> to migrate.
>
> In 1990 - 100,000 Pandits had to leave and similar number of Kashmiri
> Muslims from villages along the LoC migrated to Muzzaffarabad.
>
> In 2008 - thousands of Muslim families have been forced to leave Jammu and
> adjoining Hindu majority areas.
>
> - 'Democracy' is just getting better. And what a wonderful way of
> scapegoating - anti-nationls, terrorists.
>
> Welcome to Rene Gerrard's world - Mimesis and Violence.
>
>
>
> Murtaza Shibli
>
> www.kashmiraffairs.org
>
>
>
>
>
> --- On Sun, 24/8/08, Aditya Raj Kaul <kauladityaraj at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> From: Aditya Raj Kaul <kauladityaraj at gmail.com>
>
> Subject: [Reader-list] Oranges won't work anymore
>
> To: "sarai list" <reader-list at sarai.net>
>
> Date: Sunday, 24 August, 2008, 7:16 PM
>
>
>
>   *Oranges won't work anymore*
>
>
>
> By Joginder Singh, Ex-Director CBI
>
>
>
>
>
> The CRPF Inspector-General was transferred from Srinagar on August 13 after
>
> an uproar in the Kashmir Valley, led by terrorists and their supporters,
> who
>
> alleged excesses by the Central paramilitary force. He was also denied the
>
> President's police medal for fear of controversy and wider protests. There
>
> is nothing new in this kind of approach as the decision-makers are far
>
> removed from reality. Meanwhile, it is the police and the security forces
>
> that continue to face life-and-death situations, standing between chaos and
>
> order.
>
>
>
> In 1990s, the then Governor of Jammu & Kashmir lost his job for taking a
>
> tough stand against anti-nationalist elements. That did not help the
>
> situation, nor will the recent transfer of the CRPF Inspector-General
>
> restore peace. On the contrary, it will embolden separatists and terrorists
>
> who will now think that they can get away with anything.
>
>
>
> Wherever the Government of the day has pursued the policy of appeasement
>
> and has compromised on basic values, it has invited trouble. Terrorism in
>
> the Valley flourishes in direct proportion to the political will to deal
>
> with the same. It commenced with the kidnapping of Ms Mehbooba Mufti, the
>
> daughter of Mufti Mohammed Sayed, former Home Minister, who is now a former
>
> Chief Minister of Jammu & Kashmir. To secure her release, the then
>
> Government had freed five dreaded terrorists. This emboldened the
>
> separatists and the terrorists, and was enough to start a series of chain
>
> reactions in the Valley from 1988 onwards. I am an eyewitness to these
>
> events as I was the InspectorGeneral of the CRPF in Srinagar at the time.
>
>
>
> The Government's tendency to sweep such incidents under the carpet has
>
> today resulted in terrorists openly dictating terms to the people;
> enforcing
>
> the *purdah* system for women, closing down beauty parlours and cinema
>
> houses, etc. The Prime Minister, like many before him, gave a laudable
>
> speech from the ramparts of the Red Fort on Independence day this year as
> he
>
> appealed to the masses to shun communalism.
>
>
>
> But unfortunately, the whole agitation in the Kashmir Valley is based on a
>
> communal ideology. The truth is, communalism in one community generates
>
> communalism in others. Otherwise, how could hordes of people led by
>
> terrorists start a rally with the declared aim of crossing the LoC into
>
> Muzaffarabad? The Government should have responded that those who cross the
>
> LoC illegally will not be allowed back into the country.
>
>
>
> A series of misconceived policies, or the so-called people-to-people
>
> contact, have brought about this situation. Otherwise, how could a
>
> mainstream political party demand that Pakistani currency be declared legal
>
> tender in Jammu & Kashmir? It would be wrong to say that
>
> 'transferring' 97
>
> acres of forest land to the Sri Amarnath Shrine Board has led to the
> present
>
> crisis. The separatists and terrorists have been going all-out to create
>
> disturbances and problems as per the following report of the Jammu &
>
> Kashmir
>
> Government:
>
>
>
> "A total of 42,147 people, including 20,647 militants and 5,024 security
>
> personnel were killed in the State between January 1990 and the middle of
>
> February 2007... Violence left 33,885 people, including 12,124 security
>
> personnel and 21,659 civilians injured during the same period in the
>
> State... 11,221 civilians were killed by militants and another 1,678 lost
>
> their lives in grenade and Improvised Explosive Device explosions, while
> 173
>
> civilians were killed when they were caught in clashes between militants. A
>
> total of 3,404 civilians were killed in cross-firing incidents between
>
> security forces and militants... The highest number of 1,438 civilians were
>
> killed in 1996, the year elections were held after a gap of seven year,
>
> while the highest number of 3,602 Army and other paramilitary personnel
> lost
>
> their lives fighting militants in the same year. Jammu and Kashmir Police
>
> lost 537 personnel since January 1990. As many as 438 Special Police
>
> Officers engaged by the police in counter-insurgency operations were
> killed.
>
> 127 Village Defence Committee members were killed fighting militants in the
>
> State. 613 security personnel were killed in a single year in 2001, which
>
> was again the highest."
>
>
>
> Now, the question arises as to what can be done. Also whether what is being
>
> done is sufficient. In 1990, the midnight protests were sparked by the call
>
> given by 1,100 mosques, which had installed loudspeakers to call the
>
> faithful to prayer. Loudspeakers in Kashmir's mosques, then as now, are
>
> used
>
> to give calls for anti-national activities, asking the people to gather in
>
> the streets or at a particular spot to stage demonstrations. The then
>
> Governor had ordered the disconnection of these loudspeakers, which itself
>
> led to protests.
>
>
>
> It is a fact that many terrorists take shelter in places of worship. During
>
> my recent visit to the US I was told that the police had, with the
>
> co-operation of the Muslim community and their religious leaders, installed
>
> CCTV cameras in mosques to monitor any criminal activity. In a situation
>
> like that which prevails in the Kashmir Valley, which has been highly
>
> communalised, it is impossible to get any kind of evidence to prove
>
> anti-national activities as no witness will be willing to come forth to
>
> depose. Mrs Margaret Thatcher used to say publicity is the oxygen of
>
> terrorism. Any publicity which eulogises terrorism should be discouraged,
> if
>
> not completely banned.
>
>
>
> Terrorist leaders, their supporters and sympathisers should be immobilised
>
> by using the present laws and detained outside Jammu & Kashmir. The
>
> Government has announced financial assistance for the families of
> terrorists
>
> on the grounds that it is not their fault if the only earning member of
>
> their family becomes a militant. This approach is fraught with danger and
>
> the sooner it is given up the better. It should not become a scheme to help
>
> traitors.
>
>
>
> Many so-called intellectuals talk about a referendum in the Valley. With
>
> Pakistan having hijacked the anti-India movement, any referendum or
> election
>
> will be irrelevant at this point of time. The first priority is to drive
> the
>
> Pakistani terrorists out of the Valley and send them to the country of
> their
>
> origin. The Government should stop all dialogue with these militants who
> are
>
> nothing more than agents of Pakistan. Only a tough approach will send the
>
> right signal that the Government means business.
>
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