[Reader-list] reader-list Digest, Vol 61, Issue 127

[Aditya Raj Kaul]

You are so right for a change. Its just you. So, time a check up is done ?
:)

On 8/27/08, Aarti Sethi <aarti.sethi at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> is it just me or is everyone getting a strange sense of deja vous?.....like
> the old hindi film line goes "Ji aapka chehra kuch jaana pehchaana sa lagta
> hai"....does chanchal not sound like our old friend dhatri (who
> incidentally
> we have not heard a sqeak out of for some time now)? who sounds like
> prabhakar, who sometimes sounds like radhikarajen, who for a time we
> thought
> was vedavati....
>
> Is it a computer programme? Or a cloning initiative by the RSS?
> Fascinating!
>
> A
>
> On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 11:33 AM, chanchal malviya <
> chanchal_malviya at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > And this is what is to be understood by Hindus...
> > M.F.Hussain being a Muslim has every right to do anything to Hindu
> > Religion..
> > But Hindus do not have any right to say anything about Islam..
> > This is not the way to talk... Talk sense and discuss.. or else please do
> > not visit the topic...
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----
> > From: Kuhu Tanvir <kuhutanvir at gmail.com>
> > To: reader-list at sarai.net
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 10:59:56 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Reader-list] reader-list Digest, Vol 61, Issue 127
> >
> > Husain Exhibition Attacked in Delhi
> > Re: Chanchal
> > Please, please get yourself some help, and also read a few history books
> > and
> > the Hindu texts you supposedly base yourself on. And please don't be
> naive
> > enough to say things like in Christianity sex and love are equal and that
> > Muslims are allowed to have as many marriages. You have no right to make
> > unnecessary and sorry to say this but utterly illiterate comments like
> > this.
> > You know nothing about Hinduism, Islam or Christianity, so please don't
> > waste your time or the patience of others.
> > Funnily enough, it is ok for you to make these hurtful remarks about
> other
> > religions, and you roam around scott-free while an artist of the stature
> of
> > Hussain is not allowed to paint what he likes. It is shameful that we
> have
> > to hear the voices of the likes of you.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 10:40 AM, <reader-list-request at sarai.net> wrote:
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> > >   1. Re: Husain Exhibition Attacked in Delhi (Vedavati Jogi)
> > >   2. Re: 15 Hindu families migrate from Dhalera to Poonch
> > >      (chanchal malviya)
> > >   3. Re: 15 Hindu families migrate from Dhalera to Poonch
> > >      (chanchal malviya)
> > >
> > >
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> > >
> > > Message: 1
> > > Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 21:35:26 -0700 (PDT)
> > > From: Vedavati Jogi <vedavati_jogi at yahoo.com>
> > > Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Husain Exhibition Attacked in Delhi
> > > To: vedavati_jogi at yahoo.com
> > > Cc: reader-list at sarai.net
> > > Message-ID: <682394.87182.qm at web57705.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
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> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > beautiful piece of writing chanchal!
> > > accept my hearty congratulations for that.
> > > i find these liberals, secularists etc. more dangerous than muslim
> > > extremists.
> > > and i am very happy that nowadays many 'communal' voices are being
> heard
> > on
> > > readers list which was once dominated by 'seculars'
> > >
> > > vedavati
> > >
> > > --- On Wed, 8/27/08, chanchal malviya <chanchal_malviya at yahoo.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > From: chanchal malviya <chanchal_malviya at yahoo.com>
> > > Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Husain Exhibition Attacked in Delhi
> > > To: "A Khanna" <A.Khanna at sms.ed.ac.uk>, "Prabhakar Singh" <
> > > prabhakardelhi at yahoo.com>
> > > Cc: reader-list at sarai.net
> > > Date: Wednesday, August 27, 2008, 12:03 PM
> > >
> > > Dear Khanna,
> > >
> > > 1. There are people in this world who are not ready to take the
> positive
> > > side
> > > of their own identity. There are people who would love to rape their
> own
> > > mother
> > > and motherland. And there are some people who even protect their
> > intention
> > > as
> > > personal attitude. Great. Not to say anything to them.
> > > 2. You telling that motherland is a metaphor and nothing else explains
> in
> > > itself what you feel about India. I am sure such person also feel the
> > same
> > > for
> > > their own mother and sister. And I have written earlier that such
> person
> > > would
> > > not come to protect their mother also, what to say about the broader
> > > concept of
> > > motherland.
> > > 3. As far as Hinduism is concerned, it has to be recognized through the
> > > text
> > > only. It cannot be recognized at least now by actions of people.
> Because
> > > India
> > > is more Islamic and Christianized than a Hindu country. Of course,
> people
> > > like
> > > you are a part of it. Hinduism is a mere subject of attack in India.
> What
> > I
> > > told
> > > about Hinduism is exactly what is HInduism. And why Hinduism, this word
> > > came
> > > into existence only when other Religions forced it upon the people of
> > > Sanatan
> > > Dharma.
> > >
> > > I know you will not be able to understand the difference between Dharma
> > and
> > > Religion. For you and Gandhiji both are same. But Dharma means
> Righteous
> > > duty
> > > and Religion is what you all are talking about. Hinduism is science and
> > > teaches
> > > righteous duty in scientific manner. World outside India is recognizing
> > > this,
> > > but our Indians will understand it only when a 'Gora' will come and say
> > > and that also when he is ruling us. Sorry.
> > >
> > > Sex is a power of nature that is to be won by human through various
> > > methodologies described in Hindu text. And that is an important step
> > > towards
> > > Self-Realization. Attempt is that only. Women taking bath nude didn't
> > cover
> > > their body when Sukdeva (son of Veda Vyas) crossed them, because they
> > knew
> > > that
> > > he is a child in his nature on this matter. But they immediately took
> > cover
> > > when
> > > Veda Vyas crossed.
> > > There are many stories where Saints are being enticed by Apsaras for
> sex.
> > > And
> > > the theme of all story is same - sex is a very powerful natural factor.
> > And
> > > winning over it is the biggest win in life.
> > > If sex would have been so prominent in Hindus, we would have found
> Hindu
> > > society also marrying multitude of women.
> > > Please do not try to put Hinduism under charge, for this.
> > > I have already told you the meaning of Deities, and yet you do not
> > > understand
> > > and ask me stupid questions.
> > >
> > > Unlike Islam, where one is allowed to marry as many as they like as per
> > > their
> > > capacity and in addition keep as many women as their right hand posses
> > > (Hindu
> > > women) for sex. It is unlike Christian where sex and love are the same
> > > thing.
> > >
> > > M.F.Hussain is a gift of Islam. So, he will see even his motherland
> only
> > > with
> > > his Madhuri attitude. No, he is seeing India nude with his Islamic
> > > attitude. He
> > > has seen Madhuri also with his Islamic attitude, though film stars have
> a
> > > different life style and we may not be protective of them in this
> matter.
> > >
> > > It is so simple, if M.F.Hussain is so clean, let him paint his mother.
> Or
> > > if
> > > you or the protector of M.F.Hussain has so large heart, please send a
> > > photograph
> > > of your mother to him and ask him to paint her nude. Let me see, how
> many
> > > of you
> > > are not of double standard.
> > > Either you all are in favor of Darul-Islam, or you are abusing your own
> > > motherland by supporting bloody Hussain.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message ----
> > > From: A Khanna <A.Khanna at sms.ed.ac.uk>
> > > To: Prabhakar Singh <prabhakardelhi at yahoo.com>
> > > Cc: chanchal malviya <chanchal_malviya at yahoo.com>; inder salim
> > > <indersalim at gmail.com>; reader-list at sarai.net
> > > Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 3:36:56 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Husain Exhibition Attacked in Delhi
> > >
> > > chanchal, prabhakar, Everyone Else,
> > >
> > > there are three issues i'd like to reflect on in light of your rather
> > > rabid postings on the issues of the attack on M.F. Husain's
> > > exhibition. Apologies for the rather long posting, i do hope some of
> > > you will find it interesting.
> > >
> > > First, a rather obvious contestation relating to Chanchal's gratuitous
> > > offer to speak the 'truth' of 'Hinudism', and more broadly, the
> > >
> > > aggressive claim of Hindutva forces of a monopoly of what the terms
> > > 'Hindu' and 'Hinduism' may mean. More particularly, this is a
> > > contestation of the place of sexualness and eroticism in them. What
> > > makes it possible for the claim to be made that 'sex is not erotic in
> > > hinduism' on the one hand, and the demeaning of artists who brought
> > > out erotics in sex as 'failed' Hindus? What exactly is the fear of the
> > >
> > > erotic? Why are these strange people trying to cleave eroticism away
> > > from the lives of 'Hindus'??
> > >
> > > Surely you are aware that there is a diversity of practices,
> > > festivals, mythologies, political economies, cosmologies if you like,
> > > in different parts of the country and in different communities in the
> > > same regions, that may lay claim to the name 'Hindu'. This is even in
> > > the face of colonial, and more recent hindu fundamentalist, attempts
> > > to reduce this diversity into a rather boring, often  textual,
> > > normative frame. Chanchal offers, in other words, one peculiar vision
> > > of some 'pure' or 'original' 'Hinduism' as though it
> > > exists in texts
> > > (particular ones that by perhaps little more than historical
> > > serendipity, and sex anxious coloniality, came to be seen as
> > > containing the 'truth' of 'Hindu culture'), rather than in the
> > >
> > > embodiment and practices of people. chanchal's vision, of a "faith
> > > (not religion) that talks about winning over the senses (particularly
> > > sex)" is one that, for the large part, stands miles away from various
> > > realities, practices and beliefs of those who consider themselves
> > > 'Hindu'.
> > >
> > > In my travels around India researching sexualness and eroticism I
> > > encountered a confounding multiplicity of festivals, rituals,
> > > identities and idioms in which eroticism, desire and sexualness are
> > > central. Way too many of these take place in temples, way too many of
> > > these are central to local religious practices, and the logics and
> > > experiences of faith, way too many of these lay claim to being
> > > 'Hindu', for me to accept chanchal's description of Hinduism as an
> > >
> > > achievement over sex. Or of the Lingam as light. (is it just me or
> > > does this sounds closer to a Victorian Christianity? – a reading of
> > > colonial anxieties around sex race and gender into the truth of the
> > > self?)  So chanchal, unfortunately yours is one peculiar vision of
> > > 'hindu', and a pathetically unimaginative one at that. It sounds to me
> > >
> > > like the collective voice of a masculinist upper caste that is yet to
> > > come to terms with (or even recognise) the damage done to it through
> > > the colonial experience and one which clings to rather fragile stories
> > > of the self. And it is unfortunate that the political economy of
> > > Hindutva allows such a vision so much importance today. (Let me
> > > clarify that i am not particularly invested or interested in
> > > reclaiming Hindu from the bare teeth of the aggressive masculinist
> > > claimants. But i do want to point to the right of others to do so.)
> > >
> > > The second interesting point in the postings is the tension around
> > > nudity. Nakedness. Such a beautiful experience. Do you not love the
> > > human body? Do you not love your own selves? Is it a fear or disgust
> > > with the self or some other trauma that brings about such anxiety
> > > around nakedness? But ofcourse this is not just the representation of
> > > the naked human body that seems to have caused this anxiety – it seems
> > > to be, more precisely, that you necessarily see sexualness and
> > > eroticism in the naked human body. But hold on, it is not just
> > > sexualness and eroticism of the naked human body that has caused this
> > > anxiety, it is a very particular nakedness – the nakedness of
> > > 'Motherland India'. Because, the problem with 'perverted
> > > Husain' is
> > > that to him "Mother Indian and Madhuri are the same" – therefore,
> > > actually its alright for him to paint Madhuri, in fact you probably
> > > sat at the edge of your seat, enthralled as many of us were, as
> > > Madhuri oh so sensuously thrust her beautiful breasts forward,
> > > inviting you to a world of phantasmic pleasure, nevermind the
> > > performance of outrage at the LYRICS of Choli Ke Peechhe (and i'm not
> > > talking merely of pleasure for the male gaze of Masculine Men. I for
> > > one, wanted to be Madhuri). Its the nakedness of Mother India, or
> > > Motherland India that caused anxiety. So lets face this ponderous
> > > image of a naked, sexualised Mother India head on. There are two
> > > things that i find fascinating here.
> > >
> > > First, the Motherland is a metaphor. A very powerful metaphor
> > > admittedly. But a metaphor nonetheless. India is experienced as many
> > > things, and through many metaphors – a place, sometimes a 'people', a
> > >
> > > postcolonial nation state, a geographical entity with multiple and
> > > complex cartographic existences, a cricket team, a zone of intense
> > > gastronomic density, a colonising force, an a series of competing and
> > > collaborating political economies...But India is not simply a woman.
> > > And Kashmir is not the head of this woman (as we were unfortunately
> > > taught in school in the 80s). The power of this metaphor is truly
> > > fascinating.
> > >
> > > But how does one strip a metaphor?? This must be one hell of a
> > > brilliant painting! (on which note, are there any weblinks to images
> > > of this painting? If someone knows a link i implore you, please share
> > > it on this list). If it is true that this painting has managed to
> > > actually bring this metaphor into an embodiment, and then brought out
> > > an eroticism in it (rather than what it seems like, the attackers not
> > > having even really seen and experienced the the painting) then what it
> > > has done is expose Mother India as a metaphor, and weakened the power
> > > that 'she' wields. Brilliant. The second thing is of course that once
> > > we see Mother India as a metaphor into which we are constantly
> > > investing a sense of reality, the metaphor becomes a contested space.
> > > And perhaps this is what is creating anxiety for the likes of
> > > prabhakar and chanchal?
> > >
> > > So lets look at what it is about the stripping of this metaphor that
> > > has gotten them, and the attackers of the exhibition so aggressive?
> > > What is the power of this metaphor? One of prabhakar's email hits the
> > > nail on the head. "If some artist in the name of art paints your
> > > mother nude and displays it in art galleries and exhibitions to public
> > > how would you feel and how would you react?", s/he asks. A similar
> > > point is made by chanchal when s/he says "I am sure, a person who
> > > paints his motherland nude, must have done much more nonesense (sic)
> > > to his mother and sister". This leads me to understand that the
> > > anxiety over the depiction of Mother India in such a way that she may
> > > be seen to be sexualised, as erotic, is actually an anxiety around the
> > > possibility that heris mother is sexual, or has an erotic side to her.
> > > Is it scary, prabhakar, chanchal, for you to imagine that your mother
> > > may be a sexual being with erotic desires, and with a body that is her
> > > own, and which can be naked? Is it a fear of this possibility that
> > > evokes in you, such strong emotions when you see (or perhaps hear of)
> > > what some artist has done on a piece of canvas with paint? Is it this
> > > fear that you will allow to dominate your very imagination of the
> > > Nation of India? Freudian psychobabble, in other words, offers itself
> > > up tantalisingly here. Is their Hindu nation structured around an
> > > Oedipal anxiety over desire for the mother? (ugh!)
> > >
> > > The troubling effect of this is of course the denial in nationalist
> > > discourse of sexualness or rather the right to sexualness of women, as
> > > after all, the big obligation on the good woman is to become the
> > > mother of (male) children. This justifies mechanisms of regulation
> > > over women's sexualness, and the meting out of punishment and
> > > exclusion to those who fail to live within these boundaries, or
> > > transgress them at will. The protests against the film Fire being a
> > > case in point. But how does a woman become a mother (over and over
> > > again, atleast until she begets a Son), when she is bereft of
> > > sexualness? Is this an imagination of immaculate conception, or, a
> > > belief that the only form of legitimate sex is heterosexual rape? The
> > > point here is that if the metaphor of the Motherland and the lives of
> > > women must feed into each other, the demand for the recognition of
> > > sexualness and women's right to sexuality must also address the
> > > sexualness of the metaphor of Mother India.
> > >
> > > This brings me to my last point. I was brought up with a sense of
> > > patriotism, stories of the freedom struggle, stories of the success of
> > > Big Nehruvian development and images of Mother India. In fact i
> > > sometimes still experience a sense of nostalgia for that heady emotion
> > > of being part of that particular 'something bigger'. (yes, i cried
> > > when i watched Rang De Basanti). I have, in other words, experienced
> > > the power of Mother India, and surely all that investment by the state
> > > into making sure that this experience marks my psyche forever entails
> > > me to owning the metaphor. I claim the right, in other words to invest
> > > this metaphor with things. If i bring my travels around India to bear
> > > on this, i'd say 'Mother India', to me, is one hell of beautiful,
> > > sensual, sexual, erotic figure, a polymorphous queer body, who laughs,
> > > flirts, makes love, has soul-baring intense sex. Oh, and, sigh, S/he
> > > also makes steel.
> > >
> > >
> > > Love,
> > >
> > > akshay
> > >
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> > > Message: 2
> > > Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 21:56:55 -0700 (PDT)
> > > From: chanchal malviya <chanchal_malviya at yahoo.com>
> > > Subject: Re: [Reader-list] 15 Hindu families migrate from Dhalera to
> > >        Poonch
> > > To: Aditya Raj Kaul <kauladityaraj at gmail.com>,  sarai list
> > >        <reader-list at sarai.net>
> > > Message-ID: <697866.75450.qm at web90407.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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> > >
> > > Hindu families from Kashmir can shift from Kashmir to Jammu.... But my
> > dear
> > > friends where will you shift if there are all Kashmirs around...
> > > This is the not the true face of Islam... This is the only face of
> > Islam...
> > > Islam will not accept any other Religion... Gilani told clearly that
> > > whether it was secularist of nationalist, all are anti-Islam if they
> are
> > > non-Muslims...
> > > After all Quran tells the Muslims that Allah hates non-Muslims and
> Allah
> > > has prepared fire for them and it is the duty of Muslims to throw
> > > non-Muslims into that fire...
> > > Our Hindu secularists will not understand this... They will not read
> > Quran
> > > and they will follow another person, Mr. Gandhi, who also didn't read
> > > Quran...
> > >
> > > Either you learn from history or you learn from what happened with
> you...
> > > Dear Mahatma Gandhi learned from  neither...
> > > All invaders in their official chronicles (like Baburnama, Akbarnama,
> > etc)
> > > have accepted with pride that they massacred 3thousand, 4 thousands
> > Infidels
> > > and prepared a tower of their head...  But we will not learn from
> History
> > > what is meant by Infidels in Islam..
> > > Gandhiji offered Khilafat to Ali brothers in exchange of support to
> > > Non-Cooperation movement (because Muslims didn't fight Independence war
> > till
> > > then), but in exchange 10s of thousands of Hindus were massacred by
> > Muslims
> > > - known as Mopla rebellion..
> > >
> > > But Gandhiji learnt from none and declared 'Sarva Dharma Sambhava'...
> > > Great.. he neither understood Geeta where Dharma means duty.. not
> learnt
> > > Koran or Christian where Dharma means hardcore Religion of
> hatred...  And
> > we
> > > call him 'Father of the Nation'...
> > >
> > > Hindus are nearly eliminated from all Muslim countries.. In India also
> > > HIndus are reducing drastically... But our Hindus are shouting
> > Secularism...
> > > Arey bhai - secularism walo - thoda Quran bhi padho...
> > >
> > > I have a question to Muslims... I don't know, why they do not answer...
> > >
> > > If GOD is one (monotheism), then how can any worship of this world
> point
> > to
> > > some other GOD or few more GODS (polytheism) when they do not exist at
> > all..
> > >  If Allah is the correct name, then was GOD nameless prior to Islam...
> Or
> > > GOD keeps on changing his name.. and his latest favorite name is
> Allah...
> > > Why is GOD so powerless that he cannot himself finish off other GODs
> and
> > > asks instead his followers to massacre the followers of other GODs...
> > same
> > > story is with Christians also....
> > > It is Hinduism alone that says that GOD is within us first and outside
> > > later... It is Hinduism alone that emphasizes on seeing GOD in every
> > > creature.. and thus it is Hinduism alone that surpasses the boundary of
> > all
> > > other Religion which are mere superstitions about GOD... and asks human
> > to
> > > expand their thought over life and GOD... Let us be proud to be a Hindu
> > and
> > > let us tell the world that they are HIndus too IF:
> > > - they are faithful to their parents, because Hindu dharma is matri
> devo,
> > > pitra devo..
> > > - they are faithful to their job, because Bhagwad Geeta teaches
> selfless
> > > duty
> > > - they are loving animals and birds and not eating them, as Sattvika is
> > the
> > > approach
> > > - they are waking early and following a disciplined life, as that is
> the
> > > culture of HIndus
> > > and so many things...
> > > This is all of Hinduism.. and anyone doing these things are Hindus..
> > though
> > > they may be by Religion Muslim or Christian... Muslims or Christians,
> if
> > > they are not Hindus, must not do above things..
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message ----
> > > From: Aditya Raj Kaul <kauladityaraj at gmail.com>
> > > To: sarai list <reader-list at sarai.net>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 2:12:14 PM
> > > Subject: [Reader-list] 15 Hindu families migrate from Dhalera to Poonch
> > >
> > >  *   15 Hindu families migrate from Dhalera to Poonch
> > > <http://www.theshadow.in/theshadow/newsdet.aspx?q=4271>  Hindus
> > > of Surankote asked to quit or face
> > > consequences*<http://www.theshadow.in/theshadow/newsdet.aspx?q=4271>
> > >     8/26/2008 2:37:15 AMLink -
> > > http://www.theshadow.in/theshadow/newsdet.aspx?4271
> > >
> > > King C Bharati
> > > Jammu, Aug 25: The worst fears have come true and Poonch has started
> its
> > > process of becoming another Kashmir with 15 families of Hindus
> migrating
> > > from Dhalera and Bhench area of Poonch where 2 shops and one house
> > > belonging
> > > to Pammy Bali were burnt late last night while Hindus in Surankote have
> > > been
> > > asked to quit or face the consequences.
> > > Most of the families residing in Dhalera and Bhench area have finally
> > > migrated to Poonch late last night after huge crowds of Muslims
> attacked
> > > them and started burning their houses even as administration remained
> > > crippled for the fourth consecutive day in Poonch.
> > > With the imposition of curfew and army taking over the city the
> district
> > > administration seems to have gone in deep slumber with little concern
> for
> > > the crying Hindu population of nearby areas of Poonch where hooligans
> are
> > > openly burning their shops and house which included some government
> > > employees in presence of police.
> > > The separatist hooligans are raising pro-Pak slogans and unfurling
> > > Pakistani
> > > flags with the PDP leaders of the area taking lead in fanning the worst
> > > ever
> > > communal violence in this border district.
> > > The Vohra administration which is busy appeasing the Kashmiris seems to
> > > have
> > > no time for this remote district even as the local administration has
> > > already positioned itself in Hands-up situation.,
> > > According to reports emanating from Poonch district besides our
> > > correspondent Anibhav Misri's dispatches the Bhench and Dhalera areas
> are
> > > the worst hit at present with entire Hindu population having migrated
> > from
> > > both the areas late last night after their shops and houses were burnt.
> > > Poonch residents continued their frantic calls to Jammu media seeking
> > help
> > > and put the number of migrated families to 15.
> > > The residents said that the local DSP DR and two Sub-inspectors were
> mute
> > > spectators during the arson and communal violence yesterday adding the
> > > administration seemed hand in glove with the separatist hooligans who
> > > continue to raise pro-Azadi, Pro-Pakistan and anti-India slogans
> besides
> > > unfurling Pakistani flags in the area.
> > > Meanwhile reports from Surankote are also disturbing where sources said
> > > that
> > > around 12000 people assembled in Surankote bus stand shouting
> anti-India
> > > and
> > > Pro-Pakistan slogans and warned Hindus of the area to quit or face
> > serious
> > > consequences.
> > > The protestors had earlier pasted posters in this regard which were
> > removed
> > > by army as police was subjected to severe stone pelting after they
> tried
> > to
> > > remove the posters.
> > > There were also reports that Muslims have given a Poonch Challo call
> > which
> > > was however not confirmed till the last reports came in.
> > > The over all situation in Poonch seems volatile and administration
> > crippled
> > > while Hindus are facing the brunt and with the start of migration
> Poonch
> > is
> > > actually fast becoming another Kashmir within Jammu.
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> > > ------------------------------
> > >
> > > Message: 3
> > > Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 22:10:25 -0700 (PDT)
> > > From: chanchal malviya <chanchal_malviya at yahoo.com>
> > > Subject: Re: [Reader-list] 15 Hindu families migrate from Dhalera to
> > >        Poonch
> > > To: Aditya Raj Kaul <kauladityaraj at gmail.com>,  sarai list
> > >        <reader-list at sarai.net>
> > > Message-ID: <956827.12997.qm at web90402.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> > >
> > > Dear Aditya,
> > >
> > > You must understand that our Media, Politicians, Law, Human Rights, and
> > > Secularism all mean that Hindus are bull shits, and they must be
> removed.
> > > So, it is happening and it will happen. There is no option - we Hindus
> > will
> > > have to fight for our survival ourselves... No one is going to come for
> > > us...
> > > At the same time, we have to remember that while we fight, we will be
> > told
> > > terrorists... People who bomb the country are people of GOD, and people
> > who
> > > oppose it are terrorists...
> > > So, be prepared or prepare your children to either bear a beard without
> a
> > > moustache and cover your females with black veil... or make them Arjun
> to
> > > fight the Adharma...
> > >
> > > You know a secret...
> > > Which is the sacred day of Muslims - Friday - Shukrawar...
> > > Who was the Guru of Rakshasas (Adharma) - Shukracharya..
> > > You can understand rest of the things....
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message ----
> > > From: Aditya Raj Kaul <kauladityaraj at gmail.com>
> > > To: sarai list <reader-list at sarai.net>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 2:12:14 PM
> > > Subject: [Reader-list] 15 Hindu families migrate from Dhalera to Poonch
> > >
> > >  *   15 Hindu families migrate from Dhalera to Poonch
> > > <http://www.theshadow.in/theshadow/newsdet.aspx?q=4271>  Hindus
> > > of Surankote asked to quit or face
> > > consequences*<http://www.theshadow.in/theshadow/newsdet.aspx?q=4271>
> > >     8/26/2008 2:37:15 AMLink -
> > > http://www.theshadow.in/theshadow/newsdet.aspx?4271
> > >
> > > King C Bharati
> > > Jammu, Aug 25: The worst fears have come true and Poonch has started
> its
> > > process of becoming another Kashmir with 15 families of Hindus
> migrating
> > > from Dhalera and Bhench area of Poonch where 2 shops and one house
> > > belonging
> > > to Pammy Bali were burnt late last night while Hindus in Surankote have
> > > been
> > > asked to quit or face the consequences.
> > > Most of the families residing in Dhalera and Bhench area have finally
> > > migrated to Poonch late last night after huge crowds of Muslims
> attacked
> > > them and started burning their houses even as administration remained
> > > crippled for the fourth consecutive day in Poonch.
> > > With the imposition of curfew and army taking over the city the
> district
> > > administration seems to have gone in deep slumber with little concern
> for
> > > the crying Hindu population of nearby areas of Poonch where hooligans
> are
> > > openly burning their shops and house which included some government
> > > employees in presence of police.
> > > The separatist hooligans are raising pro-Pak slogans and unfurling
> > > Pakistani
> > > flags with the PDP leaders of the area taking lead in fanning the worst
> > > ever
> > > communal violence in this border district.
> > > The Vohra administration which is busy appeasing the Kashmiris seems to
> > > have
> > > no time for this remote district even as the local administration has
> > > already positioned itself in Hands-up situation.,
> > > According to reports emanating from Poonch district besides our
> > > correspondent Anibhav Misri's dispatches the Bhench and Dhalera areas
> are
> > > the worst hit at present with entire Hindu population having migrated
> > from
> > > both the areas late last night after their shops and houses were burnt.
> > > Poonch residents continued their frantic calls to Jammu media seeking
> > help
> > > and put the number of migrated families to 15.
> > > The residents said that the local DSP DR and two Sub-inspectors were
> mute
> > > spectators during the arson and communal violence yesterday adding the
> > > administration seemed hand in glove with the separatist hooligans who
> > > continue to raise pro-Azadi, Pro-Pakistan and anti-India slogans
> besides
> > > unfurling Pakistani flags in the area.
> > > Meanwhile reports from Surankote are also disturbing where sources said
> > > that
> > > around 12000 people assembled in Surankote bus stand shouting
> anti-India
> > > and
> > > Pro-Pakistan slogans and warned Hindus of the area to quit or face
> > serious
> > > consequences.
> > > The protestors had earlier pasted posters in this regard which were
> > removed
> > > by army as police was subjected to severe stone pelting after they
> tried
> > to
> > > remove the posters.
> > > There were also reports that Muslims have given a Poonch Challo call
> > which
> > > was however not confirmed till the last reports came in.
> > > The over all situation in Poonch seems volatile and administration
> > crippled
> > > while Hindus are facing the brunt and with the start of migration
> Poonch
> > is
> > > actually fast becoming another Kashmir within Jammu.
> > > _________________________________________
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> > >
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