[Reader-list] Joint India-Pakistan Statement on Mumbai

Naeem Mohaiemen naeem.mohaiemen at gmail.com
Mon Dec 1 22:55:44 IST 2008 

Kshmendra
It's deeply unfair and dangerous to say " 'hate agenda' runs in the
veins and psyche of the overwhelming majority of Pakistanis."

I think overwhelming majority of Pakistanis are struggling for
roto-kapra-makaan and don't have time for fantasies of hate and death.
Unfortunately it only takes twenty to forty believers in a mad killing
vision to put a shadow of suspicion over populations of millions.

And by the way I'm Bangladeshi, so I should have far more reasons to
hate Pakistanis than you (how many Bengalis died in 1971? At least a
million more than have ever died in India-Pakistan conflicts/wars).
But I'm still not willing to let the violent minority pretend to speak
for the majority.

On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 10:12 PM, Kshmendra Kaul <kshmendra2005 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Dear Naeem
>
> Here is a thought for everyone
>
> A Terror-Strike of the scale and complexity that has been witnessed would
> require quite a bit of advance planning and in all probability it's
> execution set in motion well in advance of D-Day.
>
> Isnt' it rather idiotic of the signatories to the Statement to even suggest
> a linkage between the Terror-Strike and it's taking place having been timed
> to (to quote):
>
> """"" ..... the day the Home Secretaries of the two countries concluded
> their talks in Islamabad and announced several concrete steps to move
> forward in the peace process, such as the opening of several land routes for
> trade – Kargil, Wagah-Attari, Khokhropar etc –, relaxation in the visa
> regime,  a soft and liberal policy on the issue of release of prisoners and
> joint efforts to fight terrorism? Again, is it just a coincidence that on
> this fateful day the Foreign Minister of Pakistan was in the Indian capital
> holding very useful and productive talks with his Indian counterpart?
> """""""
>
> These idiots seem to suggest that the Terror-Strike would not have taken
> place if the ongoing talks between the two countries were not taking place
> amicably and moving towards "concrete steps to move forward in the
> peace process". The past history of Terror-Strikes emanating out of Pakistan
> dismisses any such notion.
>
> Some people on both sides of the border seem to think that the realities of
> attitudes in both countries lie in the much touted "People to people
> contact" and the accompanying "peace noises" in the seminars and the
> (alcoholic or not) cocktail circuits. They are either foolish enough to fool
> themselves into believing so or devious enough to try and fool others into
> beleiving so.
>
> Rather than putting forward a conspiracy theory about the conspiracy of the
> Terror-Strike and make such pompous statements of little value, it would
> serve the Pakistanis well to look inwards and try and set things right in
> their country.
>
> It would serve the Indians well to realise how deep the "hate agenda" runs
> in the veins and psyche of the overwhelming majority of Pakistanis.
>
> Kshmendra
>
> --- On Mon, 12/1/08, Naeem Mohaiemen <naeem.mohaiemen at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> From: Naeem Mohaiemen <naeem.mohaiemen at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Joint India-Pakistan Statement on Mumbai
> To: "taraprakash" <taraprakash at gmail.com>
> Cc: reader-list at sarai.net
> Date: Monday, December 1, 2008, 7:25 PM
>
> Accha bhai, everyone is hurt, bewildered, mourning, shocked, and
> finally angry. But can you not take even one minute pause to welcome a
> Joint India-Pakistan Statement of Mourning/Support for Mumbai as a
> positive development (even though it's miniscule)?
>
> Was there anything in the statement that denied Daud, that spewed
> venom? Since there was not, why does this Statement also have to be
> greeted by the same language?
>
> On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 7:49 PM, taraprakash <taraprakash at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>> There may not be clear evidence of Daud but Pakistani media has several
>> times covered the rallies addressed by those who were returned (by BJP
>> government) in exchange for the hijacked plane in Kandhar. They spew venom
>> against all the Qafirs which include the moderate Muslims who are friends
>> with the qafirs or are not friends with the misguided Jihadis.
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "rashneek kher"
> <rashneek at gmail.com>
>> To: "Naeem Mohaiemen" <naeem.mohaiemen at gmail.com>
>> Cc: <reader-list at sarai.net>
>> Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 6:16 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Joint India-Pakistan Statement on Mumbai
>>
>>
>>> All this is fine.
>>> Let Pakistan only admit that they gave/are giving shelter and refuge
> to
>>> Dawood(not handover him to India),have terrorist camps in POK and
> other
>>> parts of Pakistan.We have to first accept truth before the process of
>>> reconciliation can be started.
>>> Pakistan Govt may not be involved in this Mumbai thing but can it
> refute
>>> what Sheikh Rashid writes in his book on Taliban,that Kashmiri
> terrorists
>>> had camps run by ISI in Pakistan and Afgahnaistan.
>>> Can they refute that they sent army regulars to be killed in Kargil
> and
>>> did
>>> not even accept their dead bodies saying they are Kashmiris and not
>>> Pakistanis.Tell me please,I may be ignorant but but have the composite
>>> dialogue process or the opening of trade,routes or anything else
> achieved
>>> any thing close to peace.(Incidentally not even one Kashmiri Pandit
> was
>>> allowed into PoK despite thousands of applications to visit the sacred
>>> shrine of Sharda.)
>>> I wish there is lasting peace so that I can atleast go home if not to
>>> Sharda
>>> but for all that to happen,Pakistan must act on terrorists on its side
> and
>>> India should stop blaming Pakistan before they have credible evidence.
>>>
>>> Rashneek
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 4:01 PM, Naeem Mohaiemen
>>> <naeem.mohaiemen at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>>
>>>> This Joint Statement was released to the press
>>>> simultaneously in Pakistan and India on November 30
>>>> 2008.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Mumbai bloodbath
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> We are deeply shocked and horrified at the bloody
>>>> mayhem in Mumbai, which has claimed more than a
>>>> hundred and ninty lives and caused grievous injuries
>>>> to several hundred people, besides sending a wave of
>>>> panic and terror across South Asia and beyond. We
>>>> convey our profound feelings of sorrow and sympathies
>>>> to the grieving families of the unfortunate victims of
>>>> this heinous crime and express our solidarity with
>>>> them.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> As usual, all sorts of speculations are circulating
>>>> about the identity of the perpetrators of this act of
>>>> barbarism. The truth about who are directly involved
>>>> in this brutal incident and who could be the culprits
>>>> behind the scene is yet to come out and we do not wish
>>>> to indulge in any guesswork or blame game at this
>>>> point. However, one is intrigued at its timing. Can it
>>>> be termed a coincidence that it has happened on the
>>>> day the Home Secretaries of the two countries
>>>> concluded their talks in Islamabad and announced
>>>> several concrete steps to move forward in the peace
>>>> process, such as the opening of several land routes
>>>> for trade – Kargil, Wagah-Attari, Khokhropar etc –,
>>>> relaxation in the visa regime,  a soft and liberal
>>>> policy on the issue of release of prisoners and joint
>>>> efforts to fight terrorism? Again, is it just a
>>>> coincidence that on this fateful day the Foreign
>>>> Minister of Pakistan was in the Indian capital holding
>>>> very useful and productive talks with his Indian
>>>> counterpart?  One thing looks crystal clear. The
>>>> enemies of peace and friendship between the two
>>>> countries, whatever be the label under which they
>>>> operate, are un-nerved by these healthy developments
>>>> and are hell bent on torpedoing them.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> We are of the considered opinion that the continued
>>>> absence of peace in South Asia - peace between and
>>>> within states - particularly in relation to India and
>>>> Pakistan , is one of the root causes of most of the
>>>> miseries the people of the region are made to endure.
>>>> It is the major reason why our abundantly
>>>> resource-rich subcontinent is wallowing in poverty,
>>>> unemployment, disease, and ignorance and why
>>>> militarism, religious and sectarian violence and
>>>> political, economic and social injustice are eating
>>>> into the very vitals of our societies, even after more
>>>> than six decades of independence from colonial rule.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> At this moment of unmitigated tragedy, the first thing
>>>> we call upon the Governments of India and Pakistan to
>>>> do is to acknowledge the fact that the overwhelming
>>>> majority of the people of India and Pakistan ardently
>>>> desire peace and, therefore, the peace process must be
>>>> pursued with redoubled speed and determination on both
>>>> sides. The sooner the ruling establishments of India
>>>> and Pakistan acknowledge this fact and push ahead with
>>>> concrete steps towards lasting peace and harmony in
>>>> the subcontinent, the better it will be not only for
>>>> the people of our two countries but also for the whole
>>>> of South Asia and the world. While the immediate
>>>> responsibility for unmasking the culpritsof Mumbai
>>>> and taking them to task surely rests with the
>>>> Government of India, all of us in South Asia have an
>>>> obligation to join hands and go into the root causes
>>>> of why and how such forces of evil are motivated and
>>>> emboldened to resort to such acts of anti-people
>>>> terror.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> It is extremely important to remind the leaderships of
>>>> Pakistan and India that   issuing statements and
>>>> signing agreements and declarations will have meaning
>>>> only when they are translated into action and
>>>> implemented honestly, in letter and spirit and without
>>>> any further loss of time. It assumes added urgency in
>>>> the prevailing conditions in South Asia , with the
>>>> possibility that so many different forces prone to
>>>> religious, sectarian and other forms of intolerance
>>>> and violence may be looking for ways to arm themselves
>>>> with more and more sophisticated weapons of mass
>>>> murder and destruction. The bloodbath in Mumbai must
>>>> open the eyes of our governments, if it has not
>>>> already happened.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> We urge upon the governments of India and Pakistan to
>>>> immediately take the following steps:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  1. Cessation of all hostile propaganda against each
>>>> other;
>>>>  2. Joint action to curb religious extremism of all
>>>> shades in both countries;
>>>>  3. Continue and intensify normalization of
>>>> relations and peaceful resolution of all conflicts
>>>> between the two countries;
>>>>  4. Facilitation of trade and cooperation between
>>>> the two countries and in all of South Asia . We
>>>> welcome the fact that the Srinagar-Muzaffarabad and
>>>> Poonch-Rawlakot borders have been opened for trade and
>>>> that the opening of the road between Kargil and Skardu
>>>> is in the pipeline.
>>>>  5. Immediate abolition of the current practice of
>>>> issuing city-specific and police reporting visa and
>>>> issue country-valid visa without restrictions at
>>>> arrival point, simultaneously initiating necessary
>>>> steps to introduce as early as possible a visa-free
>>>> travel regime, to encourage friendship between the
>>>> peoples of both countries;
>>>>  6. Declaration by India and Pakistan of No First
>>>> Use of atomic weapons;
>>>>  7. Concrete measures towards making South Asia
>>>> nuclear-free;
>>>>  8. Radical reduction in military spending and end
>>>> to militarisation.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Signatories:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Pakistan
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  1. Mr. Iqbal Haider, Co-Chairman, Human Rights
>>>> Commission Pakistan and former federal Minister of
>>>> Pakistan
>>>>  2. Dr. Tipu Sultan, President, Pakistan Doctors for
>>>> Peace & Development, Karachi
>>>>  3. Dr. Tariq Sohail, Dean, Jinnah Medical & Dental
>>>> University , Karachi
>>>>  4. Dr. A. H.. Nayyar, President, Pakistan Peace
>>>> Coalition, Islamabad
>>>>  5. Justice (Retd) Rasheed A. Razvi, President,
>>>> Sindh High Court Bar Association
>>>>  6. Mr. B.M.Kutty, Secretary General , Pakistan
>>>> Peace Coalition, Karachi
>>>>  7. Mr. Karamat Ali, Director, PILER, Karachi ,
>>>> Founding member, PIPFPD
>>>>  8. Mr. Fareed Awan, General Secretary , Pakistan
>>>> Workers Confederation, Sindh
>>>>  9. Mr. Muhammad Ali Shah, Chairman , Pakistan
>>>> Fisherfolk Forum, Karachi
>>>>  10. Mr. Zulfiqar Halepoto, Secretary, Sindh
>>>> Democratic Front, Hyderabad
>>>>  11. Professor Dr. Sarfraz Khan, Area Studies Centre
>>>> ( Central Asia), Peshawar University
>>>>  12. Syed Khadim Ali Shah, Former Member National
>>>> Assembly, Mirpur Khas
>>>>  13. Mr. Muhammad Tahseen, Director, South Asia
>>>> Partnership (PAK), Lahore
>>>>  14. Mrs. Saleha Athar, Network for Women's Rights,
>>>> Karachi
>>>>  15. Ms. Sheema Kermani, Tehreek-e-Niswan, Karachi
>>>>  16. Ms. Saeeda Diep, President, Institute of Secular
>>>> Studies, Lahore
>>>>  17. Dr. Aly Ercelan, Pakistan Labour Trust, Karachi
>>>>  18. Mr. Suleiman G. Abro, Director, Sindh
>>>> Agricultural & Forestry Workers Organisation,
>>>> Hyderabad
>>>>  19. Mr. Sharafat Ali, PILER, Karachi
>>>>  20. Mr. Zulfiqar Ali Shah, PILER, Karachi
>>>>  21. Mr. Ayub Qureshi, Information Secretary ,
>>>> Pakistan Trade Union Federation
>>>>  22. Ms. Sheen Farrukh, Director, Interpress
>>>> Communication Pakistan , Karachi
>>>>  23. Mr. Zafar Malik, PIPFPD, Lahore
>>>>  24. Mr. Adam Malik, Action-Aid Pakistan , Karachi
>>>>  25. Mr. Qamarul Hasan, International Union of Food
>>>> Workers (IUF), Karachi
>>>>  26. Prof. Muhammad Nauman, NED University , Karachi
>>>>  27. Mr. Mirza Maqsood, General Secretary, Mazdoor
>>>> Mahaz-e-Amal
>>>>  28. Ms. Shaista Bukhari, Women Rights Association,
>>>> Multan
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> India
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  1. Kuldip Nayar, journalist, former Indian High
>>>> Commissioner, UK., Delhi
>>>>  2. S P Shukla, retired Finance Secretary, former
>>>> Member, Planning Commission, Delhi
>>>>  3. PEACE MUMBAI network of 15 organisations, Mumbai
>>>>  4. Seema Mustafa, Journalist, Delhi
>>>>  5. Manisha Gupte, MASUM, Pune
>>>>  6.  Dr. Ramesh Awasthi, PUCL, Maharashtra
>>>>  7. Jatin Desai, journalist, Mumbai
>>>>  8. Prof. Ritu Dewan, University of Mumbai
>>>>  9. Prabir Purkayashta, DSF, Delhi
>>>>  10. Prof. Pushpa Bhave , Mumbai
>>>>  11. Paromita Vohra, filmmaker, Mumbai
>>>>  12. Achin Vanaik, CNDP, Delhi
>>>>  13. Meena Menon, Focus on the Global South, Mumbai
>>>>  14. Romar Correa Professor of Economics, University
>>>> of Mumbai
>>>>  15. Anjum Rajabally, film writer, Mumbai
>>>>  16. Anand Patwardhan, filmmaker, Mumbai
>>>>  17. Kamla Bhasin, SANGAT, Delhi
>>>>  18. Dr. Padmini Swaminathan, MIDS, Chennai
>>>>  19. Sumit Bali, CEO, Kotak Mahindra Prime Limited
>>>>  20. Dr Walter Fernandes, Director, North Eastern
>>>> Social Research Centre , Assam ,
>>>>  21. Rabia, Lahore Chitrkar
>>>>  22. Rakesh Sharma, filmmaker, Mumbai
>>>>  23. Prof. Kamal Mitra Chenoy, JNU, Delhi
>>>>  24. Prof. Anuradha Chenoy, JNU, Delhi
>>>>  25. P K Das, architect, Mumbai
>>>>  26. Neera Adarkar, architect, Mumbai
>>>>  27. Datta Iswalkar, Secretary, Textile Workers
>>>> Action Committee, Mumbai
>>>>  28. Madhusree Dutta, filmmaker, Majlis, Mumbai
>>>>  29. Amrita Chhachhi, Founding member, PIPFPD
>>>>  30. Mazher Hussain, COVA, Hyderabad
>>>>  31. Prof. Manoranjan Mohanty, Delhi
>>>>  32. Prof. M C Arunan, Mumbai
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