[Reader-list] "Twelve steps to shock-and-awe Pakistan’s economy'- Prof R Vaidyanathan in DNA

[Kshmendra Kaul]

Dear Javed
 
I did not quite understand what you were alluding to.
 
To bring in specificity, if you were trying to say that both India and Pakistan have 'cancers', I will fully agree with you.
 
If you were trying to say that both India and Pakistan should tackle their own 'cancers', I will fully agree with you.
 
Those diversions from what was being discussed have their own scope for being analysed.
 
What was originally the topic was the 'cancer' that is getting exported from Pakistan into India. Getting exported through what Pakistan calls 'non-state' actors. In the past, the State of Pakistan has itself been complicit in such 'export of cancers' . It is has been argued and believed by many analysts that Pakistan continues to being complicit even if it is only by convieniently 'turning a blind eye' to the export of the 'cancers' or by 'shadowy parts' of the Pakistan Establishment continuing to 'rear' and 'export' the 'cancers'.
 
How is that to be tackled? It is not a problem faced by India alone.
 
Kshmendra
 
PS. Something strange. More and more Pakistanis are acknowledging the presence (and rearing-up of and export of ) and calling for the "cancers' in Pakistan to be tackled by Pakistan without making excuses about America, Jews, Palestine, Kashmir, Iraq,. Afghanistan. And we have Indians who seem to be proxy voices for the Pakistani Lobby who declare "It is not our fault, someone else is to blame." 
 

--- On Thu, 12/18/08, Javed <javedmasoo at gmail.com> wrote:

From: Javed <javedmasoo at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Reader-list] "Twelve steps to shock-and-awe Pakistan’s economy'- Prof R Vaidyanathan in DNA
To: kshmendra2005 at yahoo.com
Cc: "sarai list" <reader-list at sarai.net>
Date: Thursday, December 18, 2008, 10:02 PM

In that case, there is no need to identify which are cancerous cells.
Because I think in society every cell is half cancerous and half
healthy. The real cure is to first realize this fact, and then
suppress your cancerous half. But that is difficult because we would
continue to believe that "we" are fully healthy cells while the
"enemy" is fully cancerous, hence needs to be eliminated.



On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 9:05 PM, Kshmendra Kaul <kshmendra2005 at yahoo.com>
wrote:
> Dear Javed
>
> To carry forward your analogy. It would be more like Vaidyanathan
advocating
> "Economic Chemotherapy".
>
> The question however is whether that would kill the "bad cells"
or the "good
> cells". Which ones would survive; which ones would mutate; which ones
would
> gallop-multiply.
>
> Excising out  all 'cancer cells' is possible only when they are
localised
> and can be identified as being so. Once a cancer reaches the "lymph
nodes"
> it courses through the body. Even if you cut out the 'primary'
site, it
> would rear up in many a 'secondary' locations.
>
> Kshmendra
>
> --- On Thu, 12/18/08, Javed <javedmasoo at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> From: Javed <javedmasoo at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Reader-list] "Twelve steps to shock-and-awe
Pakistan's
> economy'- Prof R Vaidyanathan in DNA
> To: kshmendra2005 at yahoo.com
> Cc: "sarai list" <reader-list at sarai.net>
> Date: Thursday, December 18, 2008, 8:49 PM
>
> What Vaidyanathan means is that if you want to eradicate cancer, kill
> the cancer patient. Or rather kill all cancer patients so that others
> don't get infected.
> I know people will take my statement as an anti-India statement, but
> to me it looks like if you have cancer in your left arm, then you cut
> that off to save the body.
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 3:17 PM, Kshmendra Kaul
<kshmendra2005 at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>> A column in the newspaper DNA (of 9th Dec '08)  by Prof R
Vaidyanathan
> has been coming up often during discussions in Pakistani Media on the
> current
> India-Pakistan equations. It is being cited as defenitive proof in support
> of
> the viewpoint that India seeks to destroy Pakistan. Not without due
reason.
>>
>> Vaidyanathan is no "airra gairaa nathu khairaa" (just any
Indian
> non-entity). He is a Professor of Finance and Control at the Indian
> Institute of
> Management (IIM) - Bangalore. Not a sloganeering Politician (let us wage
war
> on
> Pakistan) or a dimwit Simi Garewal (let us carpet bomb Pakistan). Not an
> idiot.
> Or, is he not?
>>
>> Those who (ostensibly out of love for India)  speak about the
(physical or
> economic) destruction of Pakistan, do not seem to realise that any
> disintegration of Pakistan is more than likely going to increase the
threats
> to
> the security of India.
>>
>> Kshmendra
>>
>> "Twelve steps to shock-and-awe Pakistan's economy "
>> Prof R Vaidyanathan
>> Tuesday, December 09
>>
>> (Economic destabilisation of the Terror Central is imperative for
rooting
> out terror.)
>>
>> I did not anticipate the huge response my inbox received for the
article
> last week (December 2) slamming Pakistan. Many of those who wrote in have
> sought
> concrete steps to tackle the Terror Central. The terror attack on world
> citizens
> at Mumbai has created revulsion and outrage all over the world. It is
> imperative
> that India seize the opportunity provided to destabilise Pakistan.
>>
>>
>> A stable Pakistan is not in the interest of world peace, leave alone
> India. Army controls the country and owns its economy. A significant
portion
> of
> its GDP is due to army-controlled entities (See Military Inc Inside
> Pakistan's Military Economy by Ayesha Siddiqa; OUP; 2007). One can
easily
> say that Pakistan Economy and its Army/ISI are synonymous.
>>
>>
>> Unless this elementary fact is internalised, we are not going
anywhere.
> This implies we should stop talking of a stable Pakistan since a stable
> Pakistan
> means multiple attacks on many more cities of India by that rogue
> organisation
> ISI, which is the core of the Pakistan Army and the heart of
Pakistan's
> economy.
>>
>>
>> Let us not even assume that Zardari is in control. Poor man - he did
not
> trust his own investigators to probe his wife's assassination - he
wanted
> Scotland Yard to do the job. Now he blabbers that if his investigators are
> satisfied, then he will initiate action against terrorists sitting inside
> Pakistan. Periodically, the Pakistan Army likes to present some useful
> idiots
> (as Lenin would have called them) as elected representatives and we swoon
> over
> such events.
>>
>>
>> India should take the following steps to destabilise the economy of
> Pakistan:
>> n Identify the major export items of Pakistan (like Basmati rice,
carpets
> etc) and provide zero export tax or even subsidise them for export from
> India.
> Hurt Pakistan on the export front.
>>
>>
>> Identify the major countries providing arms to Pakistan and arm twist
> them. Tell Brazil and Germany (currently planning to supply massive
defense
> items to Pakistan) that it will impact their ability to invest in India.
> Tell
> Germany that retail license to Metro will be off and other existing
projects
> will be in jeopardy.
>>
>>
>> Incidentally, after the arrival of Coke and Pepsi in China, the human
> rights violations of China are not talked about much by US government
> organs.
> Think it is a coincidence? Unless we use our markets to arm-twist arms
> exporters
> to Pakistan, we will not achieve our objectives.
>>
>>
>> Tell American companies that for every 5% increase in FDI limit for
them,
> their government needs to reduce equipping Pakistan by $5 billion. That is
> real
> politics, not whining. Let us remember that funds are in desperate search
of
> emerging markets and not the other way about. Let us also remember that
> international economics is politics by another name.
>>
>>
>> Create assets to print/distribute their currency widely inside their
> country. To some extent, Telgi types can be used to outsource this
activity.
> Or
> just drop their notes in remote areas.
>>
>>
>> Pressurise IMF to add additional conditionality to the loans given to
them
> or at least do not vote for their loans.
>>
>>
>> Create assets within Pakistan to destabilise Karachi Stock market - it
is
> already in shambles.
>>
>>
>> Cricket and Bollywood are the opium of the Indian middle classes. Both
> have been adequately manipulated/ controlled by the D-company since the
> eighties. Chase the D-company money in cricket/ Bollywood and punish by
> burning
> D-assets in India instead of trying to have them auctioned by the IT
> department
> when nobody comes to bid for it.
>> n Provide for capital punishment to those who fund terror and help in
> that. We have the division in the finance ministry to monitor money
> laundering,
> etc. It is important that terror financing is taken seriously and fully
> integrated into money laundering monitoring systems and this division is
> provided with much larger budget and human resources. And it should
> coordinate
> with RAW.
>>
>>
>> Encourage and allow scientists/ academicians/ elites of Pakistan to
opt
> for Indian passport and widely publicise that fact since it will hurt
their
> self-respect and dignity. There will be a long queue to get Indian
passports
> —
> many will jump to get our passport — since they will not be stopped at
> international airports. It is rumoured that Adnan Sami wants one. Do not
> give
> passports to all — make it a prized possession. Let it hurt the army and
ISI
> controlled country. This one step will destroy their identity and
> self-confidence.
>>
>>
>> Discourage companies from India from investing in Pakistan,
particularly
> IT companies, till Pakistan stops exporting its own IT (international
> terrorism).
>>
>>
>> In all these, it is important that we do not bring in the domestic
> religious issues. The target is the terror central, namely Pakistan, and
if
> there are elements helping them here then they also should be
> punished-irrespective of religious labels. If Pakistan is dismantled and
the
> idea of Pakistan is gone, many of our domestic issues will also be sorted
> out.
>>
>>
>> Will the Indian elite go for the jugular or just light more candles
and
> scream at the formless/ nameless political class before TV cameras? It is
> going
> to be a long haul and may be in a decade or so, we can find a solution to
> our
> existential crisis of being attacked by barbarians from the West. We need
to
> combine strategy and patience and completely throw to the dustbin the
> 'Gujral Doctrine' by that mumbling Prime Minister about treating
younger
> brothers with equanimity.
>>
>>
>> The doctrine essentially suggests that if we are slapped on both the
> cheeks we should feel bad that we do not have a third cheek to show. He,
> according to security experts, seems to have dismantled our human
> intelligent
> assets inside Pakistan, which has resulted in the gory death of thousands
of
> Indian citizens in the last few years. Such is our strategic thinking in
> this
> complex world since our political class is not adequately briefed and the
> elite
> don't think through issues. Better to be simple in our talks and
vicious in
> our actions rather than the other way.
>>
>>
>> Hopefully, this November attack will create a new vibrant India
capable of
> taking care of its own interests.
>>
>>
>> The writer is professor of finance and control, Indian Institute of
> Management - Bangalore, and can be reached at vaidya at iimb.ernet.in. Views
> are
> personal.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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