[Reader-list] gujrat election

Partha Dasgupta parthaekka at gmail.com
Sat Jan 5 12:56:54 IST 2008 

Dear Chanchal,

My eyes are open, and there are many things I see - perhaps differently from
you, but then we all have our own perceptions.

You see Kashmir going and I see s troubled state limping back to peace so
that Pandits can at least visit their homes now.

You see Godhra or Babri or the anti-Sikh riots in Delhi after Indira
Gandhi's assassination as 'Hindu versus Muslim' and I see it as political
parties and other vested interests making mileage for votes - spreading
hatred for the seat that they hold more dear than truth.

It's like the way I love my parents (or my friends, for that matter) - not
because they are Hindu's, but because they are my parents and friends, and I
have many friends of different religions.

You talk of helping 'mother's and sisters' but ignore the fact that 'Hindu'
India has brought the sex ratio so low because of the Hindu obsession for a
son - where is the regard for womenfolk. Look at the matrimonials any day
and see the disgusting call for 'fair' brides or the fact that women in
Delhi consider themselves the most unsafe than the rest of India or the
dreadful molestation case in Mumbai recently - surely you can't picture them
as 'Muslims and Christians' who did this.

Where is this picture of 'Hinduism' you are talking about? 10 years back? 20
years back? 30 years back? 100 years back? How far back do you want to go?
Do we throw out electricity, computers, and all these manifestations of
'modernity and the west' along with jeans, music and a host of other
'foreign' manifestations? Do we close our borders and shut out the world?

We are here today in this century and can't go back. What we can do is go
forward with a clear mind as to where we want to reach. And I certainly
don't want to reach a place where India is a 'Hindu' nation with strict
caste segregation (which is an integral part of Hindusim). I certainly do
not want to be forced to admit people as 'higher' or 'lower' than me because
of their parental name.

As for 'Sex Education' being non-Indian. Look at the Indian art in it's
depiction of human form. Look at what the sub-continent was before and after
the colonisation. You say that you don't want to talk to children about sex
- well, I have 3 children and I certainly want them to know about HIV and
unsafe sex. If they don't, it'll be leaving them free to walk on a highway
without teaching them about traffic. As a father, I can't leave them in the
way of harm without doing something to protect them.

What 'Nation' are you talking about? The India I know and love has people
from different regions, languages, religions. It has foreigners who chant
'Hare Krishna' (who actually should be below the lowest caste - yet our
fascination for the 'fair' puts them in high esteem!!). It has tribals who
believe in 'Yakshas and Yakshis', it has Anglo Indians whoo stayed behind
when the British left, it has Chinese - it has people who fell in love with
the inclusivity of india and not the exclusivity that seems to interest you.

That's the India I come from. Where's yours?

Rgds, Partha
........................

On Jan 4, 2008 11:41 AM, chanchal malviya <chanchal_malviya at yahoo.com>
wrote:

> Dear sir,
> Open your eyes, I again say...
>
> Kashmir is gone from our hand... Read the newspaper of today...
> Now Karar is coming with demand of separate currency there... Do you think
> it is possible without separation...
> For your information again, thousands of Hindu women were kept captive and
> put to Harem when Hindus were massacred and thrown out of Kashmir...
> You say you are a Hindu... do you then say that those women are not your
> mothers or sisters... Go get them.. if you cannot, then at least join hands
> to protect the remaining...
>
> Do you think Godhra was possible without more than thousand Muslims coming
> together to burn a full group of Hindus in a bogie... Do you think in
> Achalpur (Maharashtra) the whole group of Hindus were thrown out of their
> region for celebrating Durga puja..
>
> It has just started man... They are getting powerful...
> And you are unnecessarily standing divided - some in the name of Caste
> others in the hoax of secularism...
>
> Join to protect the nation...
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Partha Dasgupta <parthaekka at gmail.com>
> To: Pawan Durani <pawan.durani at gmail.com>
> Cc: sarai list <reader-list at sarai.net>
> Sent: Friday, January 4, 2008 10:38:51 AM
> Subject: Re: [Reader-list] gujrat election
>
> Hi,
>
> That's great. However, it leaves an even bigger confusion as to which part
> of Ahimoolam's response you found 'anti Hindu'.
>
> Rgds, Partha
> ................
>
> On Jan 4, 2008 10:35 AM, Pawan Durani <pawan.durani at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Partha ,
> >
> > If some people have an interpretation of society , it may be termed as a
> > personal view. I believe a Dalit is as much a Hindu as a Brahmin or a
> > Kshytra is.And I believe that all those who lure poor with money to
> > convert should be stopped as well.
> >
> > And me , though being a Brahmin by birth , never believed that I stood
> > between a human and God. Neither were we taught so by our parents.
> >
> > Pawan
> >
> > On 1/4/08, Partha Dasgupta <parthaekka at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Pawan,
> > >
> > > Like many others, had got unsubscribed from Sarai, so just went ahead
> > > and re-subscribed, and got tons of mail a few days late - which was
> quite
> > > interesting as I got to see viewpoints and counterpoints without
> reacting.
> > >
> > > Anyhow, to get to the point I was going to make - I'm sure you'll
> agree
> > > with me that Chanchal's argument was extremely unfounded in fact based
> on
> > > some dreamlike vision she has of 'Hinduism'.
> > >
> > > 1.  Sex education
> > >      It is a well known fact that prudism in the form of the
> insistence
> > > of blouses
> > >      (which were unknown in rural Bengal from my childhood) or pants
> > > instead
> > >      of lungi's and dhoti's were a direct influence of the British
> > > hangover for what
> > >      they considered 'proper'. Go through ancient Indian art, and
> there
> > > are countless
> > >      instances that will prove this to you.
> > >
> > > 2.  Reservations
> > >      Per se, for India as to move forward - it has to move forward as
> a
> > > whole from
> > >      the villages to the towns to the cities. Also, it is a known fact
> > > that 'lower castes'
> > >      are still dominated in areas and that is accepted. Hindu as I may
> > > be from birth,
> > >      I refuse to agree with anyone who may claim that s/he is higher
> (or
> > > lower) than
> > >      me because of their ancestral name. I'm sure you'll agree that
> just
> > > because
> > >      some one is born a Brahmin does not denote that they are
> > > automatically
> > >      superhumans endowed with special powers. Similarly, just because
> > > someone
> > >      is a Dalit does not mean that they are mentally or physically
> > > incapable.
> > >      And I have personally met people at all levels who are capable
> (and
> > > incapable)
> > >      irrespective of caste. The ex-King of Nepal is a prime example of
> a
> > > bad high caste
> > >      ruler. Then if capable 'Lower Castes' have been kept down,
> doesn't
> > > the Indian Nation
> > >      need them to be empowered so that India can achieve it's
> greatness?
> > >
> > > 3.  Foreign Investments
> > >      The investments may be from 'Islamic States' or Indian Muslims.
> The
> > > bigger evil
> > >      (though this is a personal opinion) is the people in India who
> > > cheat the state and the
> > >      law of this land and misuse public money / property - from
> > > Nandigram to the Registrar
> > >      of Societies in Delhi who fleeced the nation. Foreign money is
> > > subject to many
> > >      regulations and checks - and if there is a misuse, we should look
> > > at catching the
> > >      people who are supposed to administrate it for public good.
> > >
> > >
> > > 4.  Charas, Ganja & Afeem were known as 'Nawabi Showk' well before the
> > > British came
> > >      into India. Charas and Ganja especially are copiously consumed on
> > > Shiv Ratri in India.
> > >      Weakness or addiction has nothing to do with religion, caste or
> > > gender - it is purely
> > >      a personal problem that can afflict anyone.
> > >
> > > I could go on and on about the misinformed statements of Chanchal,
> which
> > > I'm sure you would also agree are completely skewed. However, as a
> Hindu
> > > (atleast notionally - since I do not believe that any Brahmin has the
> right
> > > to stand between God and me) I do have a problem with someone telling
> me
> > > what I should believe about how a Hindu should believe / behave /
> think.  As
> > > a thinking individual and an adult, it is my right to follow my
> personal
> > > belief - all the more so when faced with an incoherent, immature and
> totally
> > > unfounded argument that you seem to agree with (and I say 'seem to
> agree
> > > with' since you answer Ahimoolam's irritation with bland statements
> that
> > > signify unless we subscribe to Chanchal's rant we are 'anti Hindu')
> > >
> > > Rgds, Partha
> > > ..........................
> > >
> > > On Jan 3, 2008 10:12 AM, Pawan Durani <pawan.durani at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hello Adhimoolan ,
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I forgot that this Forum was supposed to be anti Hindu and there are
> > > > many who have deviated. Please dont write anything pro hindu .
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > It hurts
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > God Bless....
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Pawan
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >  On 12/26/07, Vetrivel Adhimoolam <vadhimoolam at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >  I realized the need for applying junk e-mail filter. It's amazing
> > > > > that a forum like this gets easily highjacked by the Hindu
> fundamentalist
> > > > > forces. The return of barbarism.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > >
> > > > > *From:* chanchal malviya <chanchal_malviya at yahoo.com>
> > > > >
> > > > > *To:* Vedavati Jogi <vrjogi at hotmail.com> ; reader-list at sarai.net
> > > > >
> > > > > *Cc:* sudhakar.koppu at gmail.com
> > > > >
> > > > > *Sent:* Wednesday, December 26, 2007 3:48 AM
> > > > >
> > > > > *Subject:* Re: [Reader-list] gujrat election
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > There are huge breaking force acting on our Nation
> > > > > 1. With the influence of foreigh missionnaries and investors,
> > > > > Science is taking tool to introduce concepts like Sex Education in
> Children
> > > > > - the target is next generation should be destroyed. Current
> generation has
> > > > > already met the target of not respecting the nation and running
> heedlessly
> > > > > towards whatever they like. they cannot withstand pressure, nor
> are the
> > > > > brave enough to take bold decisions. they want money and they want
> wine and
> > > > > girls around in the name freedom.
> > > > >
> > > > > 2. Govt. policies like Reservations are breaking the nation to
> > > > > pieces, separating people from people.
> > > > > 3. Chrisitian missionnaries are converting the Hindus to
> Christians
> > > > > at a ver fast pace
> > > > > 4. Muslims are being intruded (from Bangladesh in particular) in
> all
> > > > > parts, increasing their population so as to become the majority
> and declare
> > > > > the nation as Islamic state
> > > > > 5. Foreign investments from Islamic state are continuously buying
> > > > > lands through local Muslims
> > > > > 6. Charas, Ganja, Afeem, other drugs along with Arms and
> Ammunitions
> > > > > are being continuously coming across Pakistan and Bangladesh
> borders. Arms
> > > > > are provided to Islamic groups and Naxals. Drugs are provided to
> sex
> > > > > educated children of careless parents.
> > > > > 7. Muslims are in target of Islamic conversions, continuously
> > > > > marrying Hindus girls - Hindus girls are not able to understand
> that it is
> > > > > they who are converted to Islam and the boy is never accepting
> Hinduism -
> > > > > Why? If it was love, we would have found conversions in this field
> happening
> > > > > in both area.
> > > > > 8. Indian intellectuals are continuously exported to Foreign
> > > > > countries (IIT, IIM, and all good institute students), ensuring
> that they do
> > > > > not work for India
> > > > > 9. Export of our Food Items is increasing when prices are hiking
> in
> > > > > our own country.
> > > > > 10. Poverty now seem to be the property of minority alone - when
> > > > > actually, no minority is under poverty - most of them are on
> target to
> > > > > achieve this nation as a group.
> > > > >
> > > > > There are so many things happening in this nation from years. And
> > > > > now there is only one agenda - kill Hinduism, ask the Youth to be
> secular
> > > > > and attack Hinduism - because Hindus destroyed is India taken
> over.
> > > > >
> > > > > Open your eyes, O Hindus - this is not a religion when you talk
> > > > > Hinduism. It is the only philosophy that is humanity. What you see
> as
> > > > > differences are actually political move to break the nation apart.
> Do not
> > > > > get moved by such irrationality. have the gut to see beyond the
> screen, have
> > > > > the intelligence to understand beyond what is highlighted in news.
> > > > >
> > > > > Jai Hind,
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message ----
> > > > > From: Vedavati Jogi <vrjogi at hotmail.com>
> > > > > To: reader-list at sarai.net
> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2007 11:19:31 AM
> > > > > Subject: Re: [Reader-list] gujrat election
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > what is meant by 'your beloved' country?
> > > > > don't you stay in this country?
> > > > > is your 'secularism' more important than nationalism?
> > > > > are muslims 'bigger' than  country?> From: taraprakash at gmail.com>
> > > > > To: vrjogi at hotmail.com; bawazainab79 at gmail.com;
> > > > > chanchal_malviya at yahoo.com; reader-list at sarai.net> Subject: Re:
> > > > > [Reader-list] gujrat election> Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2007 10:29:25
> -0500> > Why
> > > > > Pakistan? People have migrated to African countries, West Indese,
> > European
> > > > > countries, North American countries, South East Asian countries
> and > so
> > > > > many other nooks and corners of the world to get rid of your
> beloved >
> > > > > country. Are they all Muslims? If you yourself are not already
> abroad at the
> > > > > > moment, will not waste a second thought as soon as the
> opportunity comes >
> > > > > your way. So the majority of those who migrate, which religion
> they are? >
> > > > > Bharat mata ki jai.> On the other hand just consider the loving
> Hindus of
> > > > > Gujarat when they were > fighting with their hindu Maratha
> brothers, and
> > > > > slogan "Su che saru che> Joota le ke maru che" became infamous.
> Violence was
> > > > > the order of the day and > Muslims had
> > > > >  no role to play in it. You must be another supporter of Shiv >
> Sena
> > > > > for their anti muslim rhetoric and for their pseudo patriotic >
> sentiments.
> > > > > How do you reconcile with their demand for non marathas to leave >
> Mumbai?
> > > > > Do they want only Muslims to go away?> Who will unite Hindus?
> Those who you
> > > > > think can do it are themselves divided > and after each other's
> blood just
> > > > > for the sake of the power. If I want to > join your camp who
> should I
> > > > > support Uma Bharati who brought BJP in to power > in MP with her
> hard core
> > > > > hindutva rhetoric and then left the party or Advani > who started
> rath yatra
> > > > > and polarized the voters, and had been dropping hints > that he
> should be
> > > > > the PM rather than ABV in unlikely event of BJP being > voted back
> to power?
> > > > > Has VHP fofrgiven Advani for calling Jinna secular? The >
> leadership of
> > > > > which RSS wing should I accept one who supports Modi? Vaghela? >
> Mehta? Maya
> > > > > Vati?> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Vedavati Jogi"
> > > > >  <vrjogi at hotmail.com>> To: < bawazainab79 at gmail.com>; <
> > > > > chanchal_malviya at yahoo.com>; > < reader-list at sarai.net>> Sent:
> > > > > Tuesday, December 25, 2007 1:42 AM> Subject: Re: [Reader-list]
> gujrat
> > > > > election> > > >> > my dear zainab,> >> > nobody has detained you
> here. if
> > > > > you don't find india a good place to live > > in you can anytime
> migrate to
> > > > > pakistan.> >> > muslims know how to complain, muslims know their
> rights well
> > > > > but they > > never understand their responsibilities.they never
> > > > > understand their own > > mistakes.> >> > (1)who had started
> 1992-93 riots?
> > > > > who first burnt karsevaks at godhra > > station?> > even after
> partitioning
> > > > > this country on religious basis muslims were > > allowed to stay
> in india,
> > > > > given equal rights rather more rights- was is > > not a
> magnonimity shown by
> > > > > hindus?> >> > id you reciprocate?> > did you allow your hindu
> brothers to
> > > > > build ram temple at the place where > > babri structure once
> stood?> >> > if
> > > > > you too are the sons of this soil,
> > > > >  why do you have to look upon babar > > and not ram as your
> > > > > ancestor? babar was an invader. and i don't think any > > country
> on this
> > > > > earth has ever taken pride for invader's deeds.> > (2)you know it
> very well
> > > > > that madarasa educated child cannot compete with > > other
> children who are
> > > > > trained in secular schools. moreover nobody has > > stopped
> muslims from
> > > > > sending their wards to govt. run schools.still you > > send your
> > > > > chidren to madarasa and then complain that they don't get jobs > >
> anywhere
> > > > > because they are muslims,.... hence 'sacchar'.... hence demand > >
> for
> > > > > reservations..!> >> > (3)if muslim women are the poorest of the
> poor then
> > > > > that is because of > > your own personal laws. why don't you
> accept uniform
> > > > > civil code?> >> > (4)there are many towering personalities in
> various fields
> > > > > in india who > > are muslims and are very much loved by hindus.
> they never
> > > > > faced any > > descrimination just because they are muslims, then
> why this
> > > > > 'false > >
> > > > >  propaganda' which separates you from main stream? think over it
> if
> > > > > > > possible.> >> > (5)you have rightly pointed out that no action
> has been
> > > > > taken against > > those hindus who participated in 92-93 riots,
> and i am
> > > > > sure in future also > > nobody even sonia becomes pm, will dare to
> take
> > > > > action against hindu > > culprits because these politician do
> everything to
> > > > > garner votes. why > > muslim appeasement? not for the betterment
> of muslims
> > > > > but for the sake of > > votes. now hindu votebank has been created
> in gujrat
> > > > > so nobody will dare > > to take action against 2002 culprits. this
> is
> > > > > politics!> >> > try to understand this. don't trust these
> politicians &
> > > > > seculars, instead > > trust your hindu brothers who are truely
> secualr if
> > > > > not provoked, join > > hands with them, join the mainstream for
> nation
> > > > > building.> >> > if you want muslim sentiments to be taken care of
> then try
> > > > > to care for > > hindu sentiments too.> >> > vedavati> >> >> >> >>
> > Date:
> > > > > Tue, 25 Dec
> > > > >  2007 10:45:46 +0530From: bawazainab79 at gmail.comTo: > >
> > > > > vrjogi at hotmail.comSubject: Re: FW: [Reader-list] gujrat
> electionCC:
> > > > > > > chanchal_malviya at yahoo.com ; reader-list at sarai.netMy dear
> > > > > Vedavati,> > When you say "modi does not 'reserve' seats instead
> he talks
> > > > > about '5 > > crore gujratis (including bc/obcs/muslims)' . he does
> not
> > > > > equate > > soharabuddin & common muslims, hence he does not
> hesitate to take
> > > > > stern > > action against the former because he knows that will not
> hurt
> > > > > muslim > > sentiments anyway." I don't think there are any
> sentiments left
> > > > > after > > brutal rape, violence and torture. When the soul is
> killed and
> > > > > when you > > have to live in duress under a 'secular rule' where
> each day
> > > > > you are > > reminded that you 'are Muslim' (irrespective of
> whether that is
> > > > > your > > primary identity or not), you think there can be any
> sentiment or
> > > > > voice > > left? What do you have to say to the fact that all
> 'Muslims' who >
> > > > > > participated in the 1992-93 riots in
> > > > >  Bombay were punished by the judiciary > > but no action was taken
> > > > > against the 'Hindus' who committed violences > > because
> Maharashtra
> > > > > government under amoeba Deshmukh felt that doing so > > will
> result in mass
> > > > > violence? I am sure this is a very peaceful and > > secular state
> to be
> > > > > in,one where even when there are no sentiments, they > > are
> assumed to be
> > > > > aligned.> > In peace,> > Zainab (gujju ben)> > On Dec 24, 2007
> 11:32 AM,
> > > > > Vedavati Jogi < vrjogi at hotmail.com> wrote:> >> > dear zainab,
> 'india
> > > > > is a secular country and will remain a secular country > > only
> because of
> > > > > majority community (that is hindus)'. otherwise 99% > > muslims
> who had
> > > > > voted for pakistan in 1947 would not have dared to stay > > in
> india after
> > > > > partition. they chose to stay back because their daily > > bread &
> butter
> > > > > was here not because they were supporting 'secularism'. > >
> congress too
> > > > > followed british policy of divide & rule after 1947. they > > gave
> > > > > reservations to bc, obcs, by
> > > > >  reserving few thousands of seats they > > fooled crores of bcs &
> > > > > obcs and divided hindus. there are many towering > > personalities
> from
> > > > > muslim community in india like dr. kalam, bismilla > > khan, zakir
> hussain,
> > > > > shahruhk, amir khan, irfan pathan, amjad ali and many > > more...
> all of
> > > > > them come from ordinary background and are very very > > popular
> among
> > > > > hindus. still congress & left parties talked about > >
> descrimination,
> > > > > indirectly gave the slogan of 'islam khatareme hai' , > > showed
> carrot of
> > > > > 'suchhar' to muslims to keep their muslim vote bank > > intact.
> they can't
> > > > > hang afzal guru because that might hurt muslim > > sentiments.
> modi does not
> > > > > 'reserve' seats instead he talks about '5 > > crore gujratis
> (including
> > > > > bc/obcs/muslims)' . he does not equate > > soharabuddin & common
> muslims,
> > > > > hence he does not hesitate to take stern > > action against the
> former
> > > > > because he knows that will not hurt muslim > > sentiments anyway.
> this
> > > > > secularism practised by
> > > > >  congress & likes has > > always been at the expense of hindus.
> > > > > terrorists are attacking temples & > > trains still -congress is
> talking
> > > > > about 'liberalism', they create hue & > > cry when person like
> soharabuddin
> > > > > is killed. they have talked a lot about > > 'gujrat' killings what
> about
> > > > > 'kashmiri pundits'? gujjubhais have proved > > that hereafter
> hindus cannot
> > > > > be taken for granted.that is why it is their > > victory!
> vedavati>
> > > > > >> >> > Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2007 20:04:12 -0800From:
> > > > > chanchal_malviya at yahoo.com> > Subject: Re: [Reader-list] gujrat
> > > > > electionTo: bawazainab79 at gmail.comCC : > > vrjogi at hotmail.com> >>
> >>
> > > > > >> >> > Hi,> >> > You need to understand a simple thing - it is
> Hindus who
> > > > > are facing the > > problem of communalism on their own
> motherland..> >
> > > > > Narendra Modi is a strong Hindu supporter... And when I say Hindu,
> it is > >
> > > > > to be understand that the world Humanity is already enveloped in
> it..> > So,
> > > > > when Narendra Modi has won it is Hindus who have won..
> > > > >  in other words, > > it is humanity that has won..> >> > Muslims
> has
> > > > > yet to prove their nationalist approach..Muslims gather in big > >
> mass when
> > > > > there is anything related to their religion...> > But there is not
> a single
> > > > > movement by Muslims when Hindus get killed in > > Terrorist
> attacks...> >
> > > > > Muslims shout like anything for 2002 riot... But none has ever
> said a word >
> > > > > > about Nandigram, Kashmir or Achalpur (Oct 2007 riot)...> >
> Whenever
> > > > > Muslims will come on Road to declare that Terrorist are Muslims >
> > but not
> > > > > Quranic followers, whenver Muslims would do some roadshow to make
> > > the
> > > > > world realize that Terrorist and Muslim are two different set of >
> >
> > > > > people.. Whenever Muslim would oppose what is written on
> irf.netthat all > > Muslims are terrorists and they should be proud of
> it..
>
> > > > > Whenever Muslims > > will understand that crime is to be dealt
> with law and
> > > > > not religion.... > > THEN Narendra Modi's win would be all
> people's win...>
> > > > > >> > Don't you think
> > > > >  that India is secular because it yet contains majority of > >
> > > > > Hindus... can you say Kashmir is secular.. we will soon know West
> Bengal > >
> > > > > becoming another Kashmir..> > Why is that wherever Muslims exists
> (and if
> > > > > there is no strict law to > > handle them)..there is killing,
> hatred and
> > > > > voilence...> >> > Muslims have to rethink on their learnings of
> Quran...
> > > > > Declaring Quran as > > words of God and then putting killing into
> action in
> > > > > the name of same God > > is not justifiable.. For hundreds of
> years this is
> > > > > what is happening > > through our Muslims brothers... It is they
> who have
> > > > > intruded in the nation > > of Hindus, Hindus have not gone into
> Arabia to
> > > > > indulge into what they used > > to do there.... Yet, Hindus call
> them
> > > > > brothers... The day Muslim will > > start calling Hindus as
> brothers... the
> > > > > day Muslims would start respecting > > the mother (cow) of their
> brothers..
> > > > > the Muslim would join the festivals > > of their brothers... the
> secularism
> > > > > would meet
> > > > >  its meaning....> >> > Muslims have to realize that 2002 riot
> would
> > > > > not have taken place, had > > Godhra would not have taken
> place...> >
> > > > > Muslims have to realize that Vande Matram and Jai Hind is what is
> expected >
> > > > > > from their month....> >> > I hope I am clear on why Hindus
> believe
> > > > > Narendra Modi's win is Hindus > > win...> >> > Jai Hind,> >> >
> -----
> > > > > Original Message ----From: Zainab Bawa < bawazainab79 at gmail.com
> >To<bawazainab79 at gmail.com%3ETo>:
> > > > > > > TaraPrakash < taraprakash at gmail.com>Cc<taraprakash at gmail.com
> %3ECc>:
> > > > > reader-list at sarai.net; Vedavati > > Jogi < vrjogi at hotmail.com
> >Sent<vrjogi at hotmail.com%3ESent>:
> > > > > Monday, December 24, 2007 8:34:38 > > AMSubject: Re: [Reader-list]
> gujrat
> > > > > electionHi Vedavati,Thanks for the > > forceful clarification. I
> am still a
> > > > > bit unclearas to why Modi's victory > > is a victory for Hindus?
> as for
> > > > > formation of Hindu votebanks, there are > > several of them across
> the
> > > > > country and as you yourselfhave accepted that > > just as all
> Gujjus are not
> > > > > Hindus, so also all Hindus arenot Hindus.I > > really apologize
> for
> > > > >  my dimwitedness and my inability to understand your > > claim
> that
> > > > > Modi's victory is a victory for Hindus. Are you suggesting > >
> thatModi's
> > > > > victory is now a step ahead in the formation of > >
> 'Hindustan'?Again,
> > > > > apologies for nagging you.Cheers,Zainab (confused gujju > > ben)
> On
> > > > > Dec 24, 2007 1:30 AM, TaraPrakash <taraprakash at gmail.com > wrote:>
> >
> > > > > > Isn't it rather a defeat of Hindu forces? Ask Praveen Togadia.
> Ask the > >
> > > > > > RSS members discontented with Modi. Ask the guy giving Modi
> "Brahmin ka> >
> > > > > > shaap" for getting his son murdered. Will another Hindu
> terrorist Advani>
> > > > > > > be> happy with the results? Is Uma Bharati pseudo secular or
> pseudo > >
> > > > > communal > for> floating her own party against BJP?> The fight in
> Gujarat >
> > > > > > was a fight between Hindus and Hindus if Hindus have> won,
> Hindus have> >
> > > > > > lost too. So your victory gets canceled. Evil wins and evil
> loses. > May >
> > > > > > be you will be more careful before putting your foot in to your
> mouth> > >
> > > > > next
> > > > >  time.>> ----- Original Message -----> From: "Vedavati Jogi" < > >
> vrjogi at hotmail.com
> > > > > >> To: <reader-list at sarai.net>; < tapasrayx at gmail.com>> > > Sent:
> > > > > Sunday, December 23, 2007 12:20 AM > Subject: [Reader-list] gujrat
> > >
> > > > > election>>> >> >> >> >> > whether it is a victory for bjp or for >
> >
> > > > > modi....its a useless question.> > its a victory for hindus. and i
> hope > >
> > > > > it will be an eye opener for psudo > > seculars!> >> > you can't
> always > >
> > > > > divide hindus & rule. thank you gujjubhais for showing> > the
> world that > >
> > > > > when hindus unite, hindu vote bank too can be formed!> > > >
> vedavati> >> >
> > > > > > >> >
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