[Reader-list] Ritwik and Ricoeur

[ARNAB CHATTERJEE]

  When Ritwik Ghatak does theory he is Ritwik
Bhattacharya.----Arnab  Chatterjee.

   So RgB,
          Welcome again, now things are becoming
rigorous--as they say. Now, in 1998 I remember I
studied in detail what is known as the philosophy of
time and thanks that those dusty files, old notes (
Foucault had those of Heidegger, tomes of them--he
used to say)have to be brought again and used. Are you
ready? We shall debate this point too.
 But two requests my dear RgB,
  one, it would be convenient if your argument is a
bit more demonstrative than a cryptic, capsule
statement;two, could you tell me a bit about those who
dealt with the hermeneutic phenomenology of the
Ricoeurian mode and addressed historical time, how
much of disciplinary archival work they did--this is
the ongoing debate. Hopefully you will respond.

ha ha 
arnab da


--- ritwik bhattacharyya <0supplement at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Should one continue to justify or validate a
> 
> *Positivist de-temporality* in history as a
> *discipline*?
> 
> 
> 
> It is an important question to ask as some would say
> that history has been
> received in the mode of positivist de-temporality
> thanks to a specific
> reading that finds it as such. Historical Time
> itself is a matter of debate
> and elucidation that cannot be reduced to the
> discussion of a positivist de-
> temporality. If however one attempts to argue that
> history is indeed about
> fostering positive de-temporality through an
> academic discipline, one cannot
> bypass the debate concerning historical time as has
> been discussed in detail
> in recent works like Paul Ricouer's *Time and
> Narrative* (3 Volumes). This
> is just to remind us of the formidable contenders we
> would face if we chose
> to hold on to the Positivist de-temporality
> argument.
> 
> 
>  Can one address questions of archive without
>  first addressing questions of *history as a
> discipline*?
> 
> 
> 
> Let's admit that while we discuss archives we can't
> do that disregarding
> archive's role as an equipment within the
> historiographic operation. Thus
> without addressing the problem of history as a
> discourse and the conventions
> of how it operates , we would not make an
> interesting argument, especially
> in view of the question posed by Arnab['*I'm trying*
> *to get at some form of
> history or critical/effective history or genealogy
> which can do
> without 'archives' ( used in the disciplinary sense
> of history, ok?']*. Even
> in generic terms a discussion of archive without
> discussing its
> equipmentality within the hegemonic discourse of
> history would leave many
> questions unanswered and worse still, many questions
> unposed.
> 
> 
> 
> Trying to move *away from Foucault (without loosing
> him)*?
> 
> 
> 
> *Subjectivity is crucial*. But simply moving away
> from Foucault or
> discussing a text like Agamben's *Remnants of
> Auchwitz* will not help us to
> understand why it is crucial in Foucault. And since
> Arnab had posed the
> initial question about the relationship between
> archive and a genealogical
> enterprise we might just stick on to Foucault 'the
> happy positivist' for a
> while. We might look into Archaeology and find out
> what is being said about
> 'subjectivation' there. . *But archive, isn't it
> more close to the
> Foucauldian provenance of governmentality than
> subjectivity as a primary
> first?*
> 
> Governmentality, we might venture to say, is also
> about subject formation
> from above( if the problem, for some reason ,is
> about the term '
> subjectivity', let me plead for its provisional
> usage here). It would thus
> be interesting too see why for Foucault, who wants
> to contest the
> traditional histpriography etc. Archive remains a
> valued term, even as it is
> being used in a modified sense. This might give us
> an initial foothold.
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks
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