[Reader-list] Manipuri women coming to stir up Govt. at Delhi - Campaign against Militarization, Impunity and AFSPA 1958

Sat Jan 19 09:14:35 IST 2008

The same applies to you... You also produce things without any authentication...
I requested to stop talking about issues.. and start a culture of talking about Solutions...
I called to produce ideas and strategies that can help the nation...

there is no reply... The same issues (Issues that is against Muslims) are again and again dropped in the network... 
The intention is clear from this.. and hence I am hard to answer...

And mind it, if we go to the basics of Muslims (the Quran).. the reality would be even dangerour... which never applies for Hindus... 
But it is not good to go into those things...  

I have ever repeated and say again - Let the Muslims do one Road Show against Terrorists, if they think they belong to this Nation...

----- Original Message ----
From: Zainab Bawa <bawazainab79 at gmail.com>
To: Pawan Durani <pawan.durani at gmail.com>
Cc: reader-list list <reader-list at sarai.net>
Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 8:18:14 AM
Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Manipuri women coming to stir up Govt. at Delhi - Campaign against Militarization, Impunity and AFSPA 1958

Dear Pawan,

The problem with people like Chanchal and you is that you make statements
that are not substantiated and/or explained in logic. Then when people
question you, you conveniently and arrogantly turn away and refuse to
explain/substantiate on the excuse that you differ in position and stand in
opposition and/or are victims who have been victimized and will not be
understood and therefore you have no responsibility whatsoever to
explain/substantiate. This is exactly the attitude of some of the mullas
that I have encountered. Now I seriously think that there is no Hindu-Muslim
divide because when it comes to rigid thinking and arguing on the basis of
illogic and false egotism, the mullas, you and your ilk float on the same
side of the continuum.

Zainab

On Jan 18, 2008 12:17 PM, Pawan Durani <pawan.durani at gmail.com> wrote:

> Dear Kiran ,
>
> My mail was specifically in response of Zainab's mail . Here Zainab was
> discussing state opression and Kashmir .
>
> I dont think i need to elaborate more.
>
> Thanks for your understanding.
>
> Pawan
>
>
> On 1/18/08, Kiran Jonnalagadda <jace at pobox.com> wrote:
> >
> > Dear Chanchal,
> >
> > I'm afraid you fail to convince me, and further, that I have no
> > interest in this discussion and that therefore your energies are
> > better expended with someone else. I am only interested in a
> > clarification from Pawan.
> >
> >
> > --
> > Kiran Jonnalagadda
> > http://jace.seacrow.com/
> >
> >
> >
> > On 18-Jan-08, at 12:07 PM, chanchal malviya wrote:
> >
> > > Dear Kiran,
> > >
> > > I do not think I am away from the topic of generalization between
> > > Religion and Anti-Nationalism....
> > > Please consider my following points:
> > >
> > > 1. What is nationalism? Is it not about the nation - who worships
> > > the nation as Mother?
> > > 2. What is Religion? Is it not about the texts that demands to be in
> > > boundaries? Are Hindus actually a religious group? Why did Supreme
> > > court declare that Hinduism is a way of life and not a religion?
> > >
> > > What I want to bring into picture is, It is Hinduism alone that
> > > teaches Nationalism. Islam and Christianism are invaded religions.
> > > Hindus have accepted them and Secularism was defined to allow them
> > > to live with love. But they never came out of their religious
> > > boundaries - they yet demands Hindus to convert.
> > >
> > > Muslims have discarded Vande Matram (Isn't it Anti-National).
> > > Muslims do not protest against Terrorism (Isn't it Anti-National).
> > >
> > > Same people constitutes the nation, who constitutes the Religion.
> > > For a Hindu, nation is everything - the biggest of all 'Mata'. Have
> > > a Muslim ever said that India is bigger to them then Islam?
> > >
> > > This where these two entities are correlated. The generalization
> > > lies only with Hindus today - this is a ground fact. What is shown
> > > superfitially, I do not want to comment on that further.
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message ----
> > > From: Kiran Jonnalagadda <jace at pobox.com>
> > > To: chanchal malviya <chanchal_malviya at yahoo.com>
> > > Cc: reader-list list <reader-list at sarai.net>
> > > Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 11:58:24 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Manipuri women coming to stir up Govt. at
> > > Delhi - Campaign against Militarization, Impunity and AFSPA 1958
> > >
> > > Dear Chanchal,
> > >
> > > I appreciate your concerns, but this is not a discussion I'm
> > > interested in having. My only interest is in some clarity on Pawan's
> > > generalisation between religion and anti-nationalism.
> > >
> > > Thank you.
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Kiran Jonnalagadda
> > > http://jace.seacrow.com/
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 18-Jan-08, at 11:33 AM, chanchal malviya wrote:
> > >
> > > > 1. Who are providing Arms to Naxals?
> > > > 2. How many nations are they terrorizing?
> > > > 3. What religious motivation guides them to do so?
> > > > 4. Which religious book of Hindu has asked them to do so?
> > > >
> > > > 1. Which law of Islam or any Islamic country have punished any of
> > > > these terrorists?
> > > > 2. How many Mullahs have declared Fatwa agains even one terrorist?
> > > > 3. How many Muslim road show have taken place again hundreds of
> > > > Terrorist attacks?
> > > >
> > > > Even the Criminalized section of Hindus are not fighting in the name
> > > > of religion... They do so because they are criminals and there are
> > > > clear law to deal with them (not religion)...
> > > >
> > > > There is a difference... better to be understood...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message ----
> > > > From: Kiran Jonnalagadda <jace at pobox.com>
> > > > To: Pawan Durani <pawan.durani at gmail.com>
> > > > Cc: reader-list list <reader-list at sarai.net>
> > > > Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 10:58:06 AM
> > > > Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Manipuri women coming to stir up Govt. at
> > > > Delhi - Campaign against Militarization, Impunity and AFSPA 1958
> > > >
> > > > On 18-Jan-08, at 10:33 AM, Pawan Durani wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > I do not diagree that representatives of states sometimes do
> > > misuse
> > > > > their
> > > > > authority . However the difference is that when a hindu is
> > > > violated he
> > > > > doesnt turn anti national.
> > > >
> > > > Pawan,
> > > >
> > > > Are you claiming that the supporters of the naxalite movement, LTTE
> > > > and others who oppose the national apparatus are not Hindu?
> > > >
> > > > If you're not, could you be more specific?
> > > >
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