[Reader-list] Are these humans nationalists?
we wi
dhatr1i at yahoo.com
Sun Jan 20 12:41:09 IST 2008
we wi <dhatr1i at yahoo.com> wrote: Why pawan is being targeted with questions?
Where were all these voices, when I was posting so many mails EXCEPT this n that whatever(filters,abuses,protocols,maintenance etc.,)? No body responded except just reading them and burning with whatever zest?. The fact is that as chanchal wrote on how secularism redefined by India, it was successfully proved that (sad to say)the actions are nonsecular(leave few rulers like Akbar and so as people).
I am happy to see that educated illeterates/school drop outs would like to know about what is Nationalism, Secularism,Hinduism and Humanity.
1) Though SARAI is not a school to conduct classes on these
2) Its against the basic rules of Hinduism to campaign about the beauty of itself,
3) I am not somebody to perform this activity on anybody behalf including the religion,god
and so called god-man and not only that in particular
4) You people are more intended to know and understand what is Hinduism
With the above 4 reasons I take this opportunity to say and write few lines purely in English. I request others to convey the meaning to those who do not follow.
---On Nationalism
--People do not know what is JANAGANAMANA, they fail to stand up and
pay homage why(WHERE EVER IT IS PLAYED)?
--People do not know Vandemataram fully? pay homage why?
--Why wrong schools with -ve wrecked thoughts are coming into existence in Indian society?
--While I questioned the existence of Pakistan as a nation after Zinna, How can you people
think that you can convince for all your atrocities and illicit actions performed earlier and
now? Isn't it true that Hindu culture ransacked like anything since the ages to till?
--On Secularism
As per secularism you can live the way you wish to live without interrupting others, but
Isn't it true that conversions are publicly going on by conducting SPECIAL WRONG PRAYERS in the name of SUWARTHA SWASTHATH MAHA SABHAS which are under total control and knowledge of The so called bishops,pasters,fathers and their backed IAS,IPS selected under reservations category?(Amen excuse me). For doing this the unconventional methods like(upper and lower caste tags) that they are adopting, What about them??? Isn't it true that these copy n paste preachers imitate and adopt BHAGAVAD GITA? I dont wish to write much how these prayers and meetings will proceed further...
--On Hinduism what to say,
Though there are many let me insist particulaly on
The practitioner who has a belief in rules defined and their practices is Hindu starting from BIRTH to DEATH and POST DEATH(Inherited Annual kriyas pertaining the family tree from forefathers to sons) by manasa,vaacha,karmana. (Chaturvidha phala purushardhas-- Dharma,artha,kamya,moksh)
Hell and Sins are defined clearly for every wrong/evil/criminal actions and so as Heaven and Moksha(Jeevathma,Paramathma). As this in this Selfish age KALI Era the dharma usually runs on single quadrant instead of 4 at Krita era, sins are quite possible but not the way its going on at rapid speed now.
--On Humanity
In particular AURANGZEB to NIZAM RAJAKARS, Later Partition time killings due
to ZINNA small desire lamented by BRITISH under divide and rule policy and now riots and jihadi attacks ? WHO WILL COUNT THESE NUMBER? INDIA DO POSSES ITS OWN RECORDED HISTORY for every MINUTE INCIDENT.
Why should Brahmans captured and tortured with various hellish methods by various Islamic rulers in KASHMIR?
Why Pundits threatened and brutally killed in KASHMIR?
Why Literature and Vedic universities ruined?
Is there any LAW working at anytime(forget other religious practices)
(As per islamic religious practice and law at various countries other than INDIA,
if the guilty is a thief then hands should be removed
if the guilty is a murderer then, should hanged until death
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Is this humanity? Who will take the responsibility for this damage and in what way and how much? Will any body reciprocate the damage in terms of humans,art n culture,rupees,pounds,or dollars?
P.S: If Army is not there at COUNTRY boarders to protect, Who else will be there?
JIHADIS or NEIGHBORING COUNTRY ARMY like the chinese and pakistani prosecutions and occupations?
AMIN
A BREAK SHOULD DEFINITELY NEEDED, YOU SHOULD SENT FOR YOGA for better good thinking and should undergo for atleast 5 minute daily usual prayer(god) for peace of life.
Regards,
Dhatri.
Pawan Durani <pawan.durani at gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Wali Arif ,
Congratulations for admitting that 208 Kashmiri Pandits were killed. If you believe in Govt records , then the Govt has no record of total number of Kashmiri Pandit having been killed in Kashmir. And the total figure as per the Govt for number of persons killed in Kashmir post 1989 is 14000 + .
I have a Govt document to prove that.
Now for my figure of 3000 Kashmiri Pandits killed in Kashmir , I personally have list of 1800 + people who were killed . There were expectedly many many others who did not even lodge a complaint and you know police were hand in glove with terrorists. Infact arms were transferred in Kashmir using state govt ambulences.Kashmiri Pandits were not even treated in hospitals, for their killing was considered just ....as it was a work of Jihadis.
And if yiu still keep wondering , i am not surprised for you too belong to the same set of school.
I do not need to tell you which one , you know that.
God Bless
Regards
Pawan Durani
On 1/19/08, Wali Arifi <waliarifi3 at gmail.com> wrote: Dear all,
Last two decades of turbulence in Kashmir have taught us many lessons. One being that there is always a tendency to exaggerate figures when it comes to human loss.
But accuracy is always useful, and doesn't reduce the loss. In fact accuracy adds to the dignity of those who have suffered the loss. In essence multiplying figures is reflective of a tendency to take refuge in propaganda and cloth the truth with it.
Mr Durrani in his post has said: "
.for killing of more than 3000 Kashmiri pandits. Not to talk of rape and arson against this community."
I wonder where this figure of "3000" has come from? What is Mr Durrani trying to prove or achieve by multiplying the number of killings? Is he helping the community by exaggerating the figure?
According to the Jammu and Kashmir government, 208 Kashmiri pandits were killed in the state from 1990 to 2006.
It has to be understood that multiplying figures is dangerously counterproductive for those who call themselves as the champions and custodians of the interest of Kashmiri Pandits. Forget about the use of words like genocide, holocaust, pogrom, ethnic cleansing and so on...
Kashmir's history will be written by those who have dreamed of a 'just Kashmir'.
Let it be asked to Mr Durrani... Is he writing history, or trying to create it to suite a program that translates 'democracy' into what it has actually been in all practice... Majoritarianism.
Regards,
Wali
On Jan 19, 2008 11:16 AM, Pawan Durani <pawan.durani at gmail.com > wrote:
Dear Fazli ,
NamaskAr
You are right . There is no point in narrating the stories to me . For I
have been a victim of Islamic terrorism in Kashmir .
If Kashmiri muslims are suffering today, which I do not disagree , it is
because of their own stand. They welcomed back the Jihadis from Pakistan
with sweets . They glorified *terrorism*. They did not utter a word when
Kashmiri Hindus were killed.
Even after so many years they still did not mind giving a rousing rception
to terrorists like Bitta Karate who has admitted to selective killings of 40
Kashmiri pandits.
Fazli , do you still think there is a point telling me stories.
God Bless
Regards
Pawan
PS : I have some good friends still in Kashmir , and the reason is that they
admit to what went wrong and not one who try to distort history.
On 1/19/08, gowhar fazli <gowharfazili at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> What has made you believe no one got punished in
> Kashmir. Kashmir is a virtual hell where the whole
> Muslim population is under imprisonment with torture
> and humiliation 24X7 for the last seventeen years.
> You have to be grossly insensitive not to notice
> this... despite the fact that migration of Pandits
> whether under state patronage or compulsion would not
> have been a cake-walk. In Kashmir, it is not just the
> miscreants who may have harmed Pandits or damaged
> public property or the intolerant 'fundamentalists'
> who are being punished... (though you will find many
> more times the Pandit population of such people
> rotting in jails, killed without impunity, tortured or
> 'disappeared'... ) Punishment in Kashmir is for
> everybody without exception (even the stooges of the
> state are not safe from itself).
>
> The biggest worry for you and me are the generations
> that are being brought up under these inhuman
> conditions while your kids grow up in decent
> neighbourhoods (I presume). With military to kick
> them around everyday, you cannot expect them to grow
> to love the state or YOU for not caring to change
> this. They will especially hate you for trying to
> privilege injustice faced by the group you cling on to
> so dearly, while justifying the injustice faced by
> those whom you would rather wish dead.
>
> In the name of militancy and fundamentalism the whole
> Kashmiri Muslim population has been successfully
> criminalized. Kashmiri Muslims are not faced with the
> choice of being 'patriotic' or 'unpatriotic'. This
> choice has already been made for them by you and the
> state.
>
> I seriously wonder if there is any point in telling
> you all this.
>
>
> --- Pawan Durani < pawan.durani at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > At least 6 years after the Gujarat riot , which
> > started after some
> > fundamentalists burnt alive scores of Hindu Pilgrims
> > returning from Ayodhya
> > , few people were convicted.
> >
> > Compare it with the case of Kashmiri Pandits , even
> > after 18 years , not
> > even a single person has been convicted in Kashmir
> > for killing of more than
> > 3000 Kashmiri pandits . Not to talk of rape and
> > arson against this
> > community.
> >
> > For that reason that the state is ruled by
> > camouflage Islamic fundamentalist
> > and Islamic groups are in majority.
> >
> > When will the justice be served to Kashmiri Pandits
> > ? At least in Modis
> > gujarat ....it has been served.....
> >
> >
> >
> > On 1/18/08, S.Fatima <sadiafwahidi at yahoo.co.in>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Friends
> > > Look at these two news items for what's being
> > > discussed on this list right now:
> > >
> > > 12 convicted in Bilkis Bano rape case
> > > 18 Jan 2008, 1710 hrs IST,PTI
> > > MUMBAI: Twelve persons, including a police
> > official,
> > > were convicted by a special court here on Friday
> > in
> > > the Bilkis Bano gang-rape case related to the
> > > post-Godhra communal violence in Gujarat.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
> http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/12_convicted_in_Bilkis_Bano_rape_case/articleshow/2711484.cms
> > >
> > > ----------------------------------------------
> > >
> > > 'Modi gave us a free run to do whatever we wanted'
> > > 26 Oct 2007, 0101 hrs IST,TNN
> > >
> > > NEW DELHI: "We made a complete rocket launcher
> > here...
> > > We distributed so many weapons, people were
> > shocked.
> > > We'd make them here and then test them."
> > >
> > > Here are some more such shocking 'testimonies':
> > >
> > > Suresh Richard, an accused in the Naroda Patiya
> > > episode in which over 200 Muslims were officially
> > > estimated to have been killed, said on camera that
> > > Modi visited the locality the same evening,
> > February
> > > 28, and thanked the perpetrators of the violence
> > > saying, "Aap dhanya ho... (You are blessed)."
> > >
> > > Rajendra Vyas, a senior VHP functionary who was on
> > the
> > > Sabarmati Express that was set on fire in Godhra,
> > > said, "The Muslims had played a one-day match with
> > > us... They have given us a target of 60... We have
> > to
> > > win this match at any cost, so don't stop till you
> > > have made 600 runs... Modi gave us a free run to
> > do
> > > whatever we wanted... The police were with us..."
> > >
> > > Babu Bajrangi, a Bajrang Dal activist who has been
> > in
> > > the news for blocking the carnage movie Parzania
> > from
> > > being screened in the state, revealed that police
> > > commissioner P C Pande, who has recently been
> > moved
> > > out of the DGP's post by the Election Commission,
> > had
> > > ordered that the 700-800 dead bodies at Naroda
> > Patiya
> > > be clandestinely picked up and dumped all over
> > > Ahmedabad.
> > >
> > > "The commissioner came that night and said that if
> > > there were so many dead at one place, it would
> > create
> > > trouble for him... After killing them, I felt like
> > > Maharana Pratap... We killed at will, turned the
> > place
> > > into Haldighati."
> > >
> > > Key witness in the Godhra case, Ranjitsingh Patel,
> > a
> > > petrol pump employee who deposed that he had sold
> > 140
> > > litres of petrol to the accused on the eve of the
> > > Sabarmati episode, admits that he and his
> > colleague
> > > were both paid Rs 50,000 each by Noel Parmar, the
> > > chief investigating officer.
> > >
> > > "Noel saheb gave me fifty thousand, showed me a
> > > photograph and said I had to identify him." Two
> > BJP
> > > members, Murli Mulchandani and Kakul Pathak, who
> > > claimed to be eyewitnesses to the Godhra attack
> > and
> > > identified many of the accused, admit they were
> > not
> > > even at the station that fateful day.
> > >
> > > Mulchandani said: "I wasn't at the station, I was
> > > sleeping at home. But the police put me among the
> > > witnesses." Pathak said, "The police gave all the
> > > names. None of the eyewitnesses wrote their
> > > statements. The police did."
> > >
> > > Arvind Pandya, the government's counsel in the
> > ongoing
> > > proceedings before the Nanavati-Shah Commission
> > > probing the carnage, said that the accused had
> > nothing
> > > to fear from either of the retired judges.
> > "Nanavati
> > > is a clever man... He wants money... Of the two
> > > judges, Shah is intelligent... woh anpe wala hai
> > (he
> > > is our man)... he is sympathetic to us... Nanavati
> > is
> > > after money."
> > >
> > > Bharat Bhatt, a public prosecutor, said that he
> > was
> > > shielding the Hindu accused even as he was
> > supposed to
> > > be arguing against them.
> > >
> > > "I tell all the Hindus not to smile when they see
> > > me... not to say a word to me. I tell them that I
> > will
> > > scold them if they do so... Sometimes I deceive
> > > them... I scare them but later show my affections
> > > too..."
> > >
> > > In the Gulbarg Society massacre, accused Madan
> > Chawal
> > > gives a first-hand account of how former Congress
> > MP
> > > Ehsan Jafri was hacked limb by limb and burned. He
> > > says Jafri offered them money in return for his
> > life.
> > > "We said yes. When he came out, we took the money
> > and
> > > pounced on him."
> > >
> > >
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