[Reader-list] road-show to prove you belong to the nation

[radhikarajen at vsnl.net]

Hi,
 now tracing back to the topic of defence forces in law and order duties. First and foremost, defence forces are used to defend the nation and for tackling the issues which are unmanageable by police or paramilitary for obivious reasons,  such as massive earth quake, floods and natural calamities. To use defence forces to fight the terrorists who do not have any uniform in their war except brainwashed and bearing skull caps and beard is  misadventure of the governing forces. Army can fight an enemy who is identifiable and has war as is the game and unfortunately there is no political will to tackle terrorism and supporters of terror as this help comes from civil society, within the society for the lure of money by the terror perpetrators. As has been seen, every captured terrorist had along with arms and explosives large amount of currency with him, to be used for his logistics. The civilian who is deprived of good governance or for lure of quick gains of money sheltors the 
terrorists, many for the sympathy of the faith. ! 
  If local police act on checking the antecedents,  immediately protests of "targetting"  the citizens for their faith and such other bogies are raised and moreover, even if one knows that some do support, sheltor and provide logistical help to the terror modules the local police either do not have the political backup to act or politicians immediately interfere to save the culprits,ofcourse there are NGOs who are ready with "criminal" lawyers to help out even after arrest. ? And there are judges who buy lands at 5 lakhs in their wifes name, sons run property business deals from residence of judges of highest courts,which are worth crores and then get promoted if they are favourable in giving dole out judgements to the political masters ?
   Army has actually no role to be in states except for rest and recuperation , has to be at borders and not on this type of duties where lack of good governance has to be tackled by the system, not army.

----- Original Message -----
From: radhikarajen at vsnl.net
Date: Sunday, January 20, 2008 3:20 pm
Subject: Re: [Reader-list] road-show to prove you belong to the nation
To: Yousuf <ysaeed7 at yahoo.com>
Cc: reader-list list <reader-list at sarai.net>

> Hi, It is not that, for muslims they have only mullas as leaders 
> and they are in the vice grip of these mullas who dictate terms of 
> life for them unlike any other hindu who lives life with his way 
> of life. Secondly, muslims have only leaders who are foisted on 
> them that are not popular choice either. ?
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Yousuf <ysaeed7 at yahoo.com>
> Date: Sunday, January 20, 2008 1:01 am
> Subject: [Reader-list] road-show to prove you belong to the nation
> To: chanchal malviya <chanchal_malviya at yahoo.com>, Zainab Bawa 
> <bawazainab79 at gmail.com>, Pawan Durani <pawan.durani at gmail.com>
> Cc: reader-list list <reader-list at sarai.net>
> 
> > Dear Chanchal
> > I fail to understand, why should only Muslims need to
> > to a roadshow to prove they belong to the nation. Show
> > me one ordinary Indian Muslim who is happy about
> > terrorism today (even from Kashmir). For them to do a
> > roadshow against terrorism means that they first
> > identify with it (for being a Muslim) and then condemn
> > it. 
> > 
> > I condemn terrorism as much as you do, but what will I
> > achieve with a roadshow. I think we need to work
> > together against this menace if we condemn it
> > together. And to do that, we need to first reduce our
> > own differences and prejudices.
> > 
> > People are dropping topics on this conversation list
> > because they realize they are not going to change each
> > other's minds however hard they try. Some people seem
> > to have joined this list saying "hey look, here is a
> > list of psuedo-secularists, Islam-lovers and
> > anti-nationalists. Lets hurl some stones at them". Is
> > that true or not? 
> > 
> > If you come with that kind of attitude, no one's going
> > to take you seriously. But if are serious about
> > discussing our current problems and finding possible
> > solutions, why can't we start by first respecting each
> > other and working together. Most of the dialogues of
> > this kind end up in a chicken-n-egg situation here. No
> > one can prove who started it all, or who has been the
> > worst victim/culprit, so there is no point in
> > continuing to hurl stones at each other. We seem to be
> > wasting our time and leading to more and more hatred. 
> > 
> > But during these debates, I often wonder how would it
> > be if all these people were sitting together, across
> > the table, more purposefully. I am sure the debate
> > would lead to something more concrete - at least a
> > different sort of trust/mistrust if you could see the
> > person you are talking to. To me, some of these
> > internet debates sound too hollow, since there is no
> > accountability. Why doesn't anyone think of a road
> > show to discuss how to resolve these issues together?
> > 
> > (its sad that the real road-show, that of the Manipuri
> > women, with which the debate started, has got
> > completely sidelined)
> > 
> > Yousuf
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- chanchal malviya <chanchal_malviya at yahoo.com>
> > wrote:
> > 
> > > The same applies to you... You also produce things
> > > without any authentication...
> > > I requested to stop talking about issues.. and start
> > > a culture of talking about Solutions...
> > > I called to produce ideas and strategies that can
> > > help the nation...
> > >  
> > > there is no reply... The same issues (Issues that is
> > > against Muslims) are again and again dropped in the
> > > network... 
> > > The intention is clear from this.. and hence I am
> > > hard to answer...
> > >  
> > > And mind it, if we go to the basics of Muslims (the
> > > Quran).. the reality would be even dangerour...
> > > which never applies for Hindus... 
> > > But it is not good to go into those things...  
> > >  
> > > I have ever repeated and say again - Let the Muslims
> > > do one Road Show against Terrorists, if they think
> > > they belong to this Nation...
> > > 
> > > 
> > > ----- Original Message ----
> > > From: Zainab Bawa <bawazainab79 at gmail.com>
> > > To: Pawan Durani <pawan.durani at gmail.com>
> > > Cc: reader-list list <reader-list at sarai.net>
> > > Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 8:18:14 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Manipuri women coming to
> > > stir up Govt. at Delhi - Campaign against
> > > Militarization, Impunity and AFSPA 1958
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >      
> > 
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