[Reader-list] Are these humans nationalists?

radhikarajen at vsnl.net radhikarajen at vsnl.net
Mon Jan 21 14:23:47 IST 2008 

OM SHANTHI SHANTHI SHANTHI SAYS kRISHNA CHAITHNYA, WHICH SHANTHI OH, KRISHNA, BEFORE YOU EMBRACED THE CULT, DURING OR AFTER THE CULT LIVING, ?
  
   PLEASE PONDER OVER WHAT YOU HAVE READ OF THE gEETHA, NOT THE GIRLFRIEND, FOR THE SADHU IN CULT, THE BOOK THAT YOU PARADE. !

----- Original Message -----
From: chanchal malviya <chanchal_malviya at yahoo.com>
Date: Monday, January 21, 2008 12:23 pm
Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Are these humans nationalists?
To: Krishna Chaithanya <tulunadu at hotmail.com>
Cc: reader-list at sarai.net

> I dont know how you understand 'Maya'... Your words let me feel 
> that you think Maya is Illusion... You are very preliminary in its 
> understanding man.... To brief in one line it goes as...
> Maya is Trigun (Sattva, Rajas and Tamas)... and it is these three 
> attributes of nature that is eneveloping the creatures... and the 
> holder of these attributes is termed as Maya.. English word 
> Illusion cannot describe it... 
> 
> So, the duty is to attain the Sattva and even beyond... as Sattva 
> is also not free from attainment of results.. recoprocal (action 
> and reaction) are attribute of all three attribute of Maya and 
> that is the rule of Maya...
> 
> So please understand again the book...  And be dutiful... you 
> cannot say what is future.. but you must say what is right and 
> wrong and what is your duty... You must do it..
> And your first duty is to protect the nation from the hands of 
> Abusers...  Nation is your mother, and you may allow your 
> mothers's abuse.. I cannot...  
> 
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Krishna Chaithanya <tulunadu at hotmail.com>
> To: chanchal malviya <chanchal_malviya at yahoo.com>
> Cc: reader-list at sarai.net
> Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 11:54:30 AM
> Subject: RE: [Reader-list] Are these humans nationalists?
> 
> 
> Dear Chanchal,
> 
> Lord krishna has preached so many things. He also wanted the world 
> to understand what MAYA is all about. If a Hindu scholar who has 
> digested thousands of holy books and still doesn't understand the 
> meaning of MAYA. What can poor Krishna do...!?
> 
> KC
> 
> 
> 
> Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 21:24:35 -0800
> From: chanchal_malviya at yahoo.com
> Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Are these humans nationalists?
> To: tulunadu at hotmail.com; pawan.durani at gmail.com; 
> asitredsalute at gmail.comCC: reader-list at sarai.net
> 
> 
> You are absolutely correct now Mr. Krishna..
> Kashmir was never a Hindu region...  It was only before Mughal 
> invasion.. 
> And I don't understand... Do you know what Lord Krishna has 
> preached in Geeta... What he himself did...
> You don't understand the depth of your own name..
> Give me chance and I will let you know
> 
> (If you are not a dummy Hindu here)...
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Krishna Chaithanya <tulunadu at hotmail.com>
> To: Pawan Durani <pawan.durani at gmail.com>; Asit asitreds 
> <asitredsalute at gmail.com>Cc: reader-list <reader-list at sarai.net>
> Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2008 11:55:35 PM
> Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Are these humans nationalists?
> 
> 
> "It is a historical fact that Kashmir has been intolerant towards 
> hindus since last almost 1000 years and there have been more than 
> 8 major exodus ofKashmiri pandits ".
> 
> Does that mean that Kashmir was never a Hindu Country...!? What 
> are you saying Pawan?
> 
> KC
> 
> > Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 22:43:38 +0530
> > From: pawan.durani at gmail.com
> > To: asitredsalute at gmail.com
> > CC: reader-list at sarai.net
> > Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Are these humans nationalists?
> > 
> > Dear Mr Asit ,
> > 
> > I just wanted to clarify that the word Kashmiriat was used very 
> cleaverly by
> > Kashmiri Muslim leaders to hide the atrocities on Kashmiri Hindus.
> > 
> > It is a historical fact that Kashmir has been intolerant towards 
> hindus> since last almost 1000 years and there have been more than 
> 8 major exodus of
> > Kashmiri pandits .
> > 
> > Regards
> > 
> > Pawan Durani
> > 
> > 
> > On 1/20/08, Asit asitreds <asitredsalute at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > lets not communalise the kashmir scene with talking about 
> pandits and
> > > muslims what is imporatnt is kasmiriyat ant the national 
> liberation of
> > > kashmir it is a occcupied territory of both pakistan and india 
> we make a
> > > big
> > > scene about pandits what about thousands of kasmiri youth 
> killed by the
> > > indian army the tortures the rapes and the natinal 
> indignination of kasmir
> > > its not a question of hindus or muslims but the colonisation 
> of kasmir by
> > > india and pakistan
> > >
> > > asit
> > >
> > >
> > > On 1/20/08, radhikarajen at vsnl.net <radhikarajen at vsnl.net> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Same is the case when Theesta and the likes with "secular" 
> media claim
> > > > "thousands of " muslims bucthered in Gujarath, but who 
> bothers about
> > > truth
> > > > when one can get saudi riyals to defend the traitors of the 
> nation with
> > > > highly paid "criminal" lawyers. ?
> > > > In riot both hindus and muslims loose their beloved, many 
> lives are
> > > lost,
> > > > but this has origin in creating the Pakistan and then not 
> encouraging> > the
> > > > indian muslims to go the land and nation they created for 
> faith, after
> > > > promising to live in India like brothers to their society. ?
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: Wali Arifi <waliarifi3 at gmail.com>
> > > > Date: Saturday, January 19, 2008 11:58 pm
> > > > Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Are these humans nationalists?
> > > > To: reader-list <reader-list at sarai.net>
> > > >
> > > > > Dear all,
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Last two decades of turbulence in Kashmir have taught us many
> > > > > lessons. One
> > > > > being that there is always a tendency to exaggerate 
> figures when
> > > > > it comes to
> > > > > human loss.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > But accuracy is always useful, and doesn't reduce the 
> loss. In
> > > > > fact accuracy
> > > > > adds to the dignity of those who have suffered the loss. 
> In essence
> > > > > multiplying figures is reflective of a tendency to take 
> refuge in
> > > > > propagandaand cloth the truth with it.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Mr Durrani in his post has said: "….for killing of more 
> than 3000
> > > > > Kashmiripandits. Not to talk of rape and arson against this
> > > > > community."
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I wonder where this figure of "3000" has come from? What 
> is Mr Durrani
> > > > > trying to prove or achieve by multiplying the number of 
> killings?> > > > Is he
> > > > > helping the community by exaggerating the figure?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > According to the Jammu and Kashmir government, 208 Kashmiri
> > > > > pandits were
> > > > > killed in the state from 1990 to 2006.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > It has to be understood that multiplying figures is 
> dangerously> > > > counterproductive for those who call themselves 
> as the champions and
> > > > > custodians of the interest of Kashmiri Pandits. Forget 
> about the
> > > > > use of
> > > > > words like genocide, holocaust, pogrom, ethnic cleansing 
> and so on...
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Kashmir's history will be written by those who have 
> dreamed of a 'just
> > > > > Kashmir'.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Let it be asked to Mr Durrani... Is he writing history, or 
> trying> > > > to create
> > > > > it to suite a program that translates 'democracy' into 
> what it has
> > > > > actuallybeen in all practice... **Majoritarianism.
> > > > >
> > > > > Regards,
> > > > >
> > > > > Wali
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