[Reader-list] Are these humans nationalists?

Krishna Chaithanya tulunadu at hotmail.com
Mon Jan 21 15:26:44 IST 2008 

"All are dalits when deprived of good governance in the nation 
which is ruled with favours to castes and faiths."

I agree with "All are dalits when deprived of good governance in the nation"

But the second line is illusion. It only appears to be so. If you take closer 
look at the people favoured in any cast and faith by the rulers of the nation - 
you'll find that it is only a few with the RIGHT? connection. 

Brahmin is the one who has learned and has wisdom to lead the society is dead.

There are only Asuras in the disguise of learned ones.

What words you need to understand MAYA

KC
 


> Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 14:20:23 +0500
> From: radhikarajen at vsnl.net
> Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Are these humans nationalists?
> To: chanchal_malviya at yahoo.com
> CC: tulunadu at hotmail.com; reader-list at sarai.net; asitredsalute at gmail.com
> 
> Hi, 
> 
>    who is dalit in the present context of democratic life ? My gut feeling is every one kept out of the good of democracy is a dalit, those pampered because of the organised vote banks on the basis of region, caste and faith are the beneficiaries of the democracy and all others who silently remain unorganised and suffer lack of good governance are dalits in democracy. Even minority which form en masse vote banks like christians are the power coterie in the nation along with the muslim goons as leaders foisted on them, but ordinary muslim kept out of school and out of reach of any development, both in material, intellectual and spiritual spheres are the dalits in the nation.Brahmin is the one who has learned and has wisdom to lead the society and he is not brahman because of the birth. All are dalits when deprived of good governance in the nation which is ruled with favours to castes and faiths.
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: chanchal malviya <chanchal_malviya at yahoo.com>
> Date: Sunday, January 20, 2008 6:16 pm
> Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Are these humans nationalists?
> To: Krishna Chaithanya <tulunadu at hotmail.com>, reader-list <reader-list at sarai.net>
> Cc: Asit asitreds <asitredsalute at gmail.com>, "radhikarajen at vsnl.net" <radhikarajen at vsnl.net>
> 
> > Take all the Religious books of Hindus... and show to Dalit where 
> > is the word Dalit...
> > Take all the Religious books of Hindus... and show to Dalit where 
> > is the word 'Jati'...
> > Take all the Religious books of Hindus... and show where is Dahej...
> > Take all the Religious books of Hindus... and show where is the 
> > theory of Burning a women when the husband is dead...
> > Show where in Hinduism is written that Brahmins are by birth 
> > Brahmins and Shudra are by birth Shudra...
> > Arey, I challenge ... take all the Religious books of Hindus and 
> > show me where is the word 'HINDU'... 
> > 
> > You do not know to respect your own faith... You do not know 
> > anything about your own faith... You people have never ready your 
> > own books... And you think, you are talking sense...
> > It is better you become Muslims... at least you will read Quran 
> > for sure.. so what that it is a wrong book for existence of life...
> > It is better you becoem a Christian... at least you will read 
> > Bible for sure... so what it is a wrong book for humanity...
> > 
> > Who has created Dalits.. Is it Brahmins ?
> > Thousands of years have deprived India of money... The Land of 
> > Gold is now called the Land of Old... G is removed so that all its 
> > rich heritage is called Old...  
> > 
> > And Dalits or (Illiterates whoever they are).. are the primary 
> > target in being taught the wrong things..
> > 
> > How many literate Dalit face the problem of Brahmin..
> > How many temples have a system of finding whether a Dalit is 
> > entering it (Politics has it though as reservation)...
> > 
> > Actually, there is enough of Dalit politics also now....  If Dalit 
> > is standing on same platform as Brahmins, let them first eliminate 
> > the world Dalit... Why is Dalit interested in calling themselves 
> > Dalit... 
> > 
> > India was a well Organized nation... It is never that two person 
> > is equal... How can then Shudra be equal to Brahmin.. Indian 
> > philosophy has always taught integrity... Because it is always 
> > that two person live in relation to each other... and this is what 
> > Varna arrangement used to do... You do not want to integrate... 
> > You want equality but without balance... 
> > 
> > You don't want progress (because progress is possible only 
> > integrity)... you want to rule on Brahmins... like Laloo and 
> > Mulayam did in Bihar and UP... and the nation knows what has 
> > happened to those states..
> > 
> > Come on man.. Tell that you are a Hindu.. tell it with pride... 
> > If you do not know to respect yourself.. who will respect you...
> > 
> > ----- Original Message ----
> > From: Krishna Chaithanya <tulunadu at hotmail.com>
> > To: reader-list <reader-list at sarai.net>
> > Cc: chanchal malviya <chanchal_malviya at yahoo.com>; Asit asitreds 
> > <asitredsalute at gmail.com>; "radhikarajen at vsnl.net" 
> > <radhikarajen at vsnl.net>Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2008 6:01:21 PM
> > Subject: RE: [Reader-list] Are these humans nationalists?
> > 
> > There is enough abuse to Hindus... The tolerance shown has no 
> > value... The only value Muslims hold is the false notion that God 
> > has told them to kill... and they all worship the every-killing 
> > and terrorised God... is what you wrote Chanchal
> > 
> > That's what my Dalit friends say - There is enough abuse to 
> > Dalits... The tolerance shown has no value... The only value Upper 
> > casts hold is the false notion that God has created them superior. 
> > and they all worship the ever discriminating God... 
> > 
> > will these kind of utterances lead to any solution? 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > > Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 04:09:34 -0800
> > > From: chanchal_malviya at yahoo.com
> > > To: asitredsalute at gmail.com; radhikarajen at vsnl.net
> > > CC: reader-list at sarai.net
> > > Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Are these humans nationalists?
> > > 
> > > Muslims always paint picture of Kashmir that Muslims face 
> > problem there..
> > > I have asked many questions and no one answers...
> > > 
> > > Who is creating problems in Pakistan (is it Hindus).. Dear 
> > friends, Kashmir is no less then Pakistan..
> > > Kashmir is more than 95% Muslim... The story ends here... 
> > Whatever is happening in Kashmir is due to the Faith In Quran.. 
> > that is all...
> > > 
> > > As far as few years back history is concerned - It is Hindu 
> > women (in thousands) they have been kept Captive and used in Harem 
> > by Muslims... Senior Muslim officers of Army demand for those 
> > women... and even the Muslims concept of Jannat is all about 
> > enjoying women... Let me not quote now on this...
> > > 
> > > Hindus have been massacred (no riots, no reaction - only action 
> > and proaction by Muslims).. as Quran asks them to do this... Let 
> > me not again quote here... though if challenged, I will quote 
> > heedlessly...> 
> > > There is enough abuse to Hindus... The tolerance shown has no 
> > value... The only value Muslims hold is the false notion that God 
> > has told them to kill... and they all worship the every-killing 
> > and terrorised God...
> > > 
> > > We are happy with our Idols, which are ideals in variations... 
> > If one ideal is not agreeable, there is yet another... Diversity 
> > is basis of existence.. and Hindus have practiced unity over 
> > diverstions in true reality...
> > > 
> > > This might be a scrap and old for some... For me, that is what 
> > is the true nature of India...
> > > 
> > > Let the Muslims now first talk about Terrorism.. let them first 
> > demand Afzal before talking on Modi.. let them first accept India 
> > as their motherland... 
> > > Only then, the secularism would meet its purpose...
> > > 
> > > 
> > > ----- Original Message ----
> > > From: Asit asitreds <asitredsalute at gmail.com>
> > > To: "radhikarajen at vsnl.net" <radhikarajen at vsnl.net>
> > > Cc: reader-list <reader-list at sarai.net>
> > > Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2008 3:31:57 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Are these humans nationalists?
> > > 
> > > lets not communalise the kashmir scene with talking about 
> > pandits and
> > > muslims what is imporatnt is kasmiriyat ant the national 
> > liberation of
> > > kashmir it is a occcupied territory of both pakistan and india 
> > we make a big
> > > scene about pandits what about thousands of kasmiri youth killed 
> > by the
> > > indian army the tortures the rapes and the natinal indignination 
> > of kasmir
> > > its not a question of hindus or muslims but the colonisation of 
> > kasmir by
> > > india and pakistan
> > > 
> > > asit
> > > 
> > > 
> > > On 1/20/08, radhikarajen at vsnl.net <radhikarajen at vsnl.net> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Same is the case when Theesta and the likes with "secular" 
> > media claim
> > > > "thousands of " muslims bucthered in Gujarath, but who bothers 
> > about truth
> > > > when one can get saudi riyals to defend the traitors of the 
> > nation with
> > > > highly paid "criminal" lawyers. ?
> > > > In riot both hindus and muslims loose their beloved, many 
> > lives are lost,
> > > > but this has origin in creating the Pakistan and then not 
> > encouraging the
> > > > indian muslims to go the land and nation they created for 
> > faith, after
> > > > promising to live in India like brothers to their society. ?
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: Wali Arifi <waliarifi3 at gmail.com>
> > > > Date: Saturday, January 19, 2008 11:58 pm
> > > > Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Are these humans nationalists?
> > > > To: reader-list <reader-list at sarai.net>
> > > >
> > > > > Dear all,
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Last two decades of turbulence in Kashmir have taught us many
> > > > > lessons. One
> > > > > being that there is always a tendency to exaggerate figures when
> > > > > it comes to
> > > > > human loss.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > But accuracy is always useful, and doesn't reduce the loss. In
> > > > > fact accuracy
> > > > > adds to the dignity of those who have suffered the loss. In 
> > essence> > > multiplying figures is reflective of a tendency to 
> > take refuge in
> > > > > propagandaand cloth the truth with it.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Mr Durrani in his post has said: "….for killing of more than 
> > 3000> > > Kashmiripandits. Not to talk of rape and arson against this
> > > > > community."
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I wonder where this figure of "3000" has come from? What is 
> > Mr Durrani
> > > > > trying to prove or achieve by multiplying the number of 
> > killings?> > > Is he
> > > > > helping the community by exaggerating the figure?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > According to the Jammu and Kashmir government, 208 Kashmiri
> > > > > pandits were
> > > > > killed in the state from 1990 to 2006.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > It has to be understood that multiplying figures is dangerously
> > > > > counterproductive for those who call themselves as the 
> > champions and
> > > > > custodians of the interest of Kashmiri Pandits. Forget about the
> > > > > use of
> > > > > words like genocide, holocaust, pogrom, ethnic cleansing and 
> > so on...
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Kashmir's history will be written by those who have dreamed 
> > of a 'just
> > > > > Kashmir'.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Let it be asked to Mr Durrani... Is he writing history, or 
> > trying> > > to create
> > > > > it to suite a program that translates 'democracy' into what 
> > it has
> > > > > actuallybeen in all practice... **Majoritarianism.
> > > > >
> > > > > Regards,
> > > > >
> > > > > Wali
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