[Reader-list] the likes of Kafeel, Sabeel and Haneef...

[radhikarajen at vsnl.net]

Fatima,

 again some hate for the group of individuals in student community just because they are not under banner of NSUI or DYSI ? Can you cite one instance of funding terror by HSC or any student union of Sangh parivar for the progoms as you say ? NRIs of hindu origin if they contribute to Sangh parivar, it becomes funds for terror ? What is the basis of this assumption of false propaganda. ? As I have already told you, some do not represent the whole of community as you have rightly pointed out, just as all muslims are not terrorists, but all terrorists are muslims, as seen by society by now. Society as a whole has big role in stopping the fanatic elements in society, otherwise the results are obivious, in actions and reactions as seen in Gujarath. In free India, every time the riots broke, it was the "secular" parties which rewarded the rioters with plush MP or MLA tickets and thus goon shouting brigades were built, to force the silent majority in any faith to comply with their 
wishes to put the rowdy in legislation forum. In Gujarath, it must be remembered that administration did not hesitate to fire bullets at rioters irrespective whether they were of hindu or muslim faith. But our "secular" media with sycophants in as anchors have only exploited with SMS and debate revenues to enrich themselves with bank rolls.
  Is there any justification for the visual media to show again and again the gujarath riots every time the elections are around the corner by the reward and award winning "journalists" crooning for "secular" parties when the truth of the matter is these very same "secular" parties were the fomentors of trouble between communities ?
   
  By the way, I have read one of the mail by Sarai adfmn regarding many mails in response which says to ignore the mails from ids who post 4-5 mails and clog the mailbox, may be sarai does not want face the truth to retain its "secular" image. ?

----- Original Message -----
From: "S.Fatima" <sadiafwahidi at yahoo.co.in>
Date: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 2:11 pm
Subject: Re: [Reader-list] the likes of Kafeel, Sabeel and Haneef...
To: radhikarajen at vsnl.net, Pawan Durani <pawan.durani at gmail.com>
Cc: "S.Fatima" <sadiafwahidi at yahoo.co.in>, chanchal malviya <chanchal_malviya at yahoo.com>, reader-list <reader-list at sarai.net>

> Dear Pawan/Radhika
> Is there a difference between funding the activities
> of hate and and actually doing the arsoning and rape?
> HSC may not have participated in the violence, but
> they did fund the Gujarat pogorm from their armchairs.
> The NRIs are probably more religious and communal than
> even resident Indians (and I include both Hindus and
> Muslims in it).
> 
> The beauty of our terminology is that when a Muslim is
> involved in arson or kidnapping, he is a terrorist.
> When anyone else does the same, he is a reactionary.
> Why?
> 
> We were discussing whether migrating to the west makes
> some people turn to subversive activities. My question
> is, if one or two individuals have done it, why should
> the whole community be held responsible for for it.
> (and even those one or two individuals have been
> "suspected", not proven yet). And sorry to disappoint
> you, but I don't belong to any Jamaat, nor do I
> support them.
> 
> S.F.
> 
> 
> --- radhikarajen at vsnl.net wrote:
> 
> > Fathima in her patent dislike for Rastriya swayam
> > Sevak Sangh has failed to see the good in her
> > Jaamaath.In free India it was sustained campaign
> > against Sangh that was effective to create a fear
> > about the Sangh Parivar, that helped the "secular"
> > parties to indulge in divisive rule of the nation
> > with creation of vote banks of "communes" such as
> > the ones of faith, caste and region and the result
> > is what we see today, minority christians who never
> > had any role in freedom struggle, sycophants who
> > were chamchas of british, criminal lawyers who
> > defended the loots of national exchequer sitting in
> > powerful positions with single agenda of "secular"
> > governance of delivering good of democracy to select
> > group of individuals at the cost of common masses.
> >     
> > 
> >     After assasination of mahatma , a sustained
> > campaign was made against Sangh that they are
> > killers of the mahatma, which was beyond all
> > reasonable doubts cleared by subsequent
> > investigations. But hate campaign continues even
> > today and fear is created today also in the minds of
> > individuals of other faiths that Sangh is against
> > other faiths. , which is patently false. RSS is
> > against favours to any one commune and partial
> > delivery of good of governance to any one group of
> > individuals  at the cost of others in the equitable
> > and just society. Why special treatments to group of
> > one faith, caste or region when all individuals need
> > good of governance to all in the nation. ?
> > 
> >    As to the student wing of Sangh Parivar, all
> > associations are made of humans with their qualities
> > of being good or bad, but Sangh has definitely made
> > effective efforts to improve good qualities such as
> > self-discipline, patience and compassion to others
> > in society. But at the same time it has taught
> > hindus to be united and has effectively united
> > hindus out of caste conundrum. In no shakhas of RSS
> > the caste has any role to be participant in building
> > of good hindu societyy.
> > 
> >   Well, for one , Fathima, you have your Jammaaths,
> > has any one called these jammaaths communal. ? Pity
> > of these jammaaath is it is ruled by those who are
> > fanatics and and mullas who revel in fathwas. !
> >   As to HSC, can you enlighten us of any incident
> > where protests , which is a democratic right of any
> > in society, have been violent or  agrresive in
> > physical actions other than slogans against the
> > funding of terror ?
> > 
> >   Regards. 
> > 
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Pawan Durani <pawan.durani at gmail.com>
> > Date: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 11:22 am
> > Subject: Re: [Reader-list] the likes of Kafeel,
> > Sabeel and Haneef...
> > To: "S.Fatima" <sadiafwahidi at yahoo.co.in>
> > Cc: radhikarajen at vsnl.net, chanchal malviya
> > <chanchal_malviya at yahoo.com>, reader-list
> > <reader-list at sarai.net>
> > 
> > > Dear Fatima ,
> > > 
> > > I may have missd out , but can you kindly update
> > us if HSC has 
> > > ever been
> > > invovled in terrorist activities , arson or
> > kidnapping ?
> > > 
> > > If it has been , they should be condemned ......if
> > not you are 
> > > comparingapple with oranges.
> > > 
> > > Pawan
> > > 
> > > 
> > > On 1/22/08, S.Fatima <sadiafwahidi at yahoo.co.in>
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Dear Radhika Rajen
> > > > You just mentioned about "the likes of Kafeel,
> > Sabeel
> > > > and Haneef"... What do you have to say say about
> > the
> > > > following report:
> > > >
> > > > New Report Points To Growing Sangh Student
> > Network in
> > > > the US
> > > >
> > > > New Delhi, Thursday, Jan 17, 2008 : The Campaign
> > to
> > > > Stop Funding Hate (CSFH) will release its latest
> > > > report "UNMISTAKABLY SANGH: THE NATIONAL HSC AND
> > ITS
> > > > HINDUTVA AGENDA" on the growth of the Sangh
> > Parivar's
> > > > student wing in the USA - the Hindu Students
> > Council
> > > > (HSC). The press conference and report release
> > are
> > > > scheduled at the Press Club, Raisina Road, at 3
> > PM
> > > > today. The report documents a long and dense
> > trail of
> > > > connections between the HSC and the Sangh from
> > 1990 to
> > > > the present. Ironically, the HSC exists on US
> > American
> > > > university campuses because of the liberal
> > policy of
> > > > multiculturalism that allows for diversity of
> > cultures
> > > > and tolerance. Yet HSC has promoted divisive and
> > > > sectarian speakers such as Ashok Singhal and
> > Sadhvi
> > > > Rithambara. Indian American youth many times
> > join the
> > > > HSC without an awareness of the "invisible"
> > > > connections between HSC and the Sangh.
> > > >
> > > > The HSC was founded in 1990 as a project of the
> > VHP of
> > > > America. In 1993, Ashok Singhal, the then
> > General
> > > > Secretary of the VHP declared, "Now, the first
> > project
> > > > we have in mind is strengthening the Hindu
> > Student
> > > > Council".1 The report Unmistakably Sangh,
> > provides the
> > > > first comprehensive documentation of the
> > origins,
> > > > methods and practices of the HSC and directly
> > counters
> > > > the claims of the HSC that it "has been
> > independently
> > > > run since 1993".2 The report uses documents from
> > Sangh
> > > > sources - VHPA tax returns, filings with US
> > Patents
> > > > Office, Internet domain registry information,
> > archives
> > > > of the HSC, and publications of the Sangh
> > Parivar in
> > > > North America and elsewhere, to establish that
> > the HSC
> > > >
> > > > was and remains an arm of the global Sangh
> > Parivar.
> > > >
> > > > Between 2002 and 2004, two reports, "The Foreign
> > > > Exchange of Hate", and "In Bad faith" exposed
> > the
> > > > siphoning of funds by the Sangh in the US and UK
> > > > respectively. This new report establishes that
> > the
> > > > Sangh's interests and activities in the US go
> > far
> > > > beyond funding, and that the HSC represents a
> > grooming
> > > > space for young Sangh leadership and the entry
> > of the
> > > > Sangh ideology into second generation Indian
> > American
> > > > spaces. "The Hindu Students Council claims to be
> > > > an independent organization with no links to any
> > > > Hindutva organization or movement. This is
> > patently
> > > > unfair because most of those who join HSC do not
> > know
> > > > of the strong ties between HSC and the Sangh,"
> > says
> > > > Ashwini Rao, a campaign coordinator for CSFH.
> > Several
> > > > of the HSC's early recruits on American campuses
> > are
> > > > leaders in the Global Sangh operations today.
> > "How
> > > > important the HSC is to the Sangh can be seen
> > from the
> > > > fact that the HSC built and operated a
> > significant
> > > > part of the Sangh's electronic infrastructure
> > out
> > > > of a server cluster in California" Raja Swamy,
> > another
> > > > CSFH coordinator pointed out. This runs counter
> > to the
> > > > policy of multiculturalism that allows
> > organizations
> > > > such as HSC on American campuses.
> > > >
> > > > The latest report is part of CSFH's Truth Out on
> > HSCs3
> > > > Campaign aimed at educating Indian-Americans on
> > the
> > 
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> 
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