[Reader-list] gujrat election

Thu Jan 3 10:12:08 IST 2008

Hello Adhimoolan ,

I forgot that this Forum was supposed to be anti Hindu and there are many
who have deviated. Please dont write anything pro hindu .

It hurts

God Bless....

Pawan

On 12/26/07, Vetrivel Adhimoolam <vadhimoolam at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>  I realized the need for applying junk e-mail filter. It's amazing that a
> forum like this gets easily highjacked by the Hindu fundamentalist forces.
> The return of barbarism.
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
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> *From:* chanchal malviya <chanchal_malviya at yahoo.com>
>
> *To:* Vedavati Jogi <vrjogi at hotmail.com> ; reader-list at sarai.net
>
> *Cc:* sudhakar.koppu at gmail.com
>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 26, 2007 3:48 AM
>
> *Subject:* Re: [Reader-list] gujrat election
>
>
> There are huge breaking force acting on our Nation
> 1. With the influence of foreigh missionnaries and investors, Science is
> taking tool to introduce concepts like Sex Education in Children - the
> target is next generation should be destroyed. Current generation has
> already met the target of not respecting the nation and running heedlessly
> towards whatever they like. they cannot withstand pressure, nor are the
> brave enough to take bold decisions. they want money and they want wine and
> girls around in the name freedom.
>
> 2. Govt. policies like Reservations are breaking the nation to pieces,
> separating people from people.
> 3. Chrisitian missionnaries are converting the Hindus to Christians at a
> ver fast pace
> 4. Muslims are being intruded (from Bangladesh in particular) in all
> parts, increasing their population so as to become the majority and declare
> the nation as Islamic state
> 5. Foreign investments from Islamic state are continuously buying lands
> through local Muslims
> 6. Charas, Ganja, Afeem, other drugs along with Arms and Ammunitions are
> being continuously coming across Pakistan and Bangladesh borders. Arms are
> provided to Islamic groups and Naxals. Drugs are provided to sex educated
> children of careless parents.
> 7. Muslims are in target of Islamic conversions, continuously marrying
> Hindus girls - Hindus girls are not able to understand that it is they who
> are converted to Islam and the boy is never accepting Hinduism - Why? If it
> was love, we would have found conversions in this field happening in both
> area.
> 8. Indian intellectuals are continuously exported to Foreign countries
> (IIT, IIM, and all good institute students), ensuring that they do not work
> for India
> 9. Export of our Food Items is increasing when prices are hiking in our
> own country.
> 10. Poverty now seem to be the property of minority alone - when actually,
> no minority is under poverty - most of them are on target to achieve this
> nation as a group.
>
> There are so many things happening in this nation from years. And now
> there is only one agenda - kill Hinduism, ask the Youth to be secular and
> attack Hinduism - because Hindus destroyed is India taken over.
>
> Open your eyes, O Hindus - this is not a religion when you talk Hinduism.
> It is the only philosophy that is humanity. What you see as differences are
> actually political move to break the nation apart. Do not get moved by such
> irrationality. have the gut to see beyond the screen, have the intelligence
> to understand beyond what is highlighted in news.
>
> Jai Hind,
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Vedavati Jogi <vrjogi at hotmail.com>
> To: reader-list at sarai.net
> Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2007 11:19:31 AM
> Subject: Re: [Reader-list] gujrat election
>
>
> what is meant by 'your beloved' country?
> don't you stay in this country?
> is your 'secularism' more important than nationalism?
> are muslims 'bigger' than  country?> From: taraprakash at gmail.com> To:
> vrjogi at hotmail.com; bawazainab79 at gmail.com; chanchal_malviya at yahoo.com;
> reader-list at sarai.net> Subject: Re: [Reader-list] gujrat election> Date:
> Tue, 25 Dec 2007 10:29:25 -0500> > Why Pakistan? People have migrated to
> African countries, West Indese, > European countries, North American
> countries, South East Asian countries and > so many other nooks and corners
> of the world to get rid of your beloved > country. Are they all Muslims? If
> you yourself are not already abroad at the > moment, will not waste a second
> thought as soon as the opportunity comes > your way. So the majority of
> those who migrate, which religion they are? > Bharat mata ki jai.> On the
> other hand just consider the loving Hindus of Gujarat when they were >
> fighting with their hindu Maratha brothers, and slogan "Su che saru che>
> Joota le ke maru che" became infamous. Violence was the order of the day and
> > Muslims had
>  no role to play in it. You must be another supporter of Shiv > Sena for
> their anti muslim rhetoric and for their pseudo patriotic > sentiments. How
> do you reconcile with their demand for non marathas to leave > Mumbai? Do
> they want only Muslims to go away?> Who will unite Hindus? Those who you
> think can do it are themselves divided > and after each other's blood just
> for the sake of the power. If I want to > join your camp who should I
> support Uma Bharati who brought BJP in to power > in MP with her hard core
> hindutva rhetoric and then left the party or Advani > who started rath yatra
> and polarized the voters, and had been dropping hints > that he should be
> the PM rather than ABV in unlikely event of BJP being > voted back to power?
> Has VHP fofrgiven Advani for calling Jinna secular? The > leadership of
> which RSS wing should I accept one who supports Modi? Vaghela? > Mehta? Maya
> Vati?> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Vedavati Jogi"
>  <vrjogi at hotmail.com>> To: <bawazainab79 at gmail.com>; <
> chanchal_malviya at yahoo.com>; > <reader-list at sarai.net>> Sent: Tuesday,
> December 25, 2007 1:42 AM> Subject: Re: [Reader-list] gujrat election> > >
> >> > my dear zainab,> >> > nobody has detained you here. if you don't find
> india a good place to live > > in you can anytime migrate to pakistan.> >> >
> muslims know how to complain, muslims know their rights well but they > >
> never understand their responsibilities.they never understand their own >
> > mistakes.> >> > (1)who had started 1992-93 riots? who first burnt
> karsevaks at godhra > > station?> > even after partitioning this country on
> religious basis muslims were > > allowed to stay in india, given equal
> rights rather more rights- was is > > not a magnonimity shown by hindus?> >>
> > id you reciprocate?> > did you allow your hindu brothers to build ram
> temple at the place where > > babri structure once stood?> >> > if you too
> are the sons of this soil,
>  why do you have to look upon babar > > and not ram as your ancestor?
> babar was an invader. and i don't think any > > country on this earth has
> ever taken pride for invader's deeds.> > (2)you know it very well that
> madarasa educated child cannot compete with > > other children who are
> trained in secular schools. moreover nobody has > > stopped muslims from
> sending their wards to govt. run schools.still you > > send your chidren
> to madarasa and then complain that they don't get jobs > > anywhere because
> they are muslims,.... hence 'sacchar'.... hence demand > > for
> reservations..!> >> > (3)if muslim women are the poorest of the poor then
> that is because of > > your own personal laws. why don't you accept uniform
> civil code?> >> > (4)there are many towering personalities in various fields
> in india who > > are muslims and are very much loved by hindus. they never
> faced any > > descrimination just because they are muslims, then why this
> 'false > >
>  propaganda' which separates you from main stream? think over it if > >
> possible.> >> > (5)you have rightly pointed out that no action has been
> taken against > > those hindus who participated in 92-93 riots, and i am
> sure in future also > > nobody even sonia becomes pm, will dare to take
> action against hindu > > culprits because these politician do everything to
> garner votes. why > > muslim appeasement? not for the betterment of muslims
> but for the sake of > > votes. now hindu votebank has been created in gujrat
> so nobody will dare > > to take action against 2002 culprits. this is
> politics!> >> > try to understand this. don't trust these politicians &
> seculars, instead > > trust your hindu brothers who are truely secualr if
> not provoked, join > > hands with them, join the mainstream for nation
> building.> >> > if you want muslim sentiments to be taken care of then try
> to care for > > hindu sentiments too.> >> > vedavati> >> >> >> >> > Date:
> Tue, 25 Dec
>  2007 10:45:46 +0530From: bawazainab79 at gmail.comTo: > >
> vrjogi at hotmail.comSubject: Re: FW: [Reader-list] gujrat electionCC: > >
> chanchal_malviya at yahoo.com; reader-list at sarai.netMy dear Vedavati,> > When
> you say "modi does not 'reserve' seats instead he talks about '5 > > crore
> gujratis (including bc/obcs/muslims)' . he does not equate > > soharabuddin
> & common muslims, hence he does not hesitate to take stern > > action
> against the former because he knows that will not hurt muslim > > sentiments
> anyway." I don't think there are any sentiments left after > > brutal rape,
> violence and torture. When the soul is killed and when you > > have to live
> in duress under a 'secular rule' where each day you are > > reminded that
> you 'are Muslim' (irrespective of whether that is your > > primary identity
> or not), you think there can be any sentiment or voice > > left? What do you
> have to say to the fact that all 'Muslims' who > > participated in the
> 1992-93 riots in
>  Bombay were punished by the judiciary > > but no action was taken against
> the 'Hindus' who committed violences > > because Maharashtra government
> under amoeba Deshmukh felt that doing so > > will result in mass violence? I
> am sure this is a very peaceful and > > secular state to be in,one where
> even when there are no sentiments, they > > are assumed to be aligned.> > In
> peace,> > Zainab (gujju ben)> > On Dec 24, 2007 11:32 AM, Vedavati Jogi <
> vrjogi at hotmail.com> wrote:> >> > dear zainab, 'india is a secular country
> and will remain a secular country > > only because of majority community
> (that is hindus)'. otherwise 99% > > muslims who had voted for pakistan in
> 1947 would not have dared to stay > > in india after partition. they chose
> to stay back because their daily > > bread & butter was here not because
> they were supporting 'secularism'. > > congress too followed british policy
> of divide & rule after 1947. they > > gave reservations to bc, obcs, by
>  reserving few thousands of seats they > > fooled crores of bcs & obcs and
> divided hindus. there are many towering > > personalities from muslim
> community in india like dr. kalam, bismilla > > khan, zakir hussain,
> shahruhk, amir khan, irfan pathan, amjad ali and many > > more... all of
> them come from ordinary background and are very very > > popular among
> hindus. still congress & left parties talked about > > descrimination,
> indirectly gave the slogan of 'islam khatareme hai' , > > showed carrot of
> 'suchhar' to muslims to keep their muslim vote bank > > intact. they can't
> hang afzal guru because that might hurt muslim > > sentiments. modi does not
> 'reserve' seats instead he talks about '5 > > crore gujratis (including
> bc/obcs/muslims)' . he does not equate > > soharabuddin & common muslims,
> hence he does not hesitate to take stern > > action against the former
> because he knows that will not hurt muslim > > sentiments anyway. this
> secularism practised by
>  congress & likes has > > always been at the expense of hindus. terrorists
> are attacking temples & > > trains still -congress is talking about
> 'liberalism', they create hue & > > cry when person like soharabuddin is
> killed. they have talked a lot about > > 'gujrat' killings what about
> 'kashmiri pundits'? gujjubhais have proved > > that hereafter hindus cannot
> be taken for granted.that is why it is their > > victory! vedavati> >> >>
> > Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2007 20:04:12 -0800From: chanchal_malviya at yahoo.com> >
> Subject: Re: [Reader-list] gujrat electionTo: bawazainab79 at gmail.comCC: >
> > vrjogi at hotmail.com> >> >> >> >> > Hi,> >> > You need to understand a
> simple thing - it is Hindus who are facing the > > problem of communalism on
> their own motherland..> > Narendra Modi is a strong Hindu supporter... And
> when I say Hindu, it is > > to be understand that the world Humanity is
> already enveloped in it..> > So, when Narendra Modi has won it is Hindus who
> have won..
>  in other words, > > it is humanity that has won..> >> > Muslims has yet
> to prove their nationalist approach..Muslims gather in big > > mass when
> there is anything related to their religion...> > But there is not a single
> movement by Muslims when Hindus get killed in > > Terrorist attacks...> >
> Muslims shout like anything for 2002 riot... But none has ever said a word >
> > about Nandigram, Kashmir or Achalpur (Oct 2007 riot)...> > Whenever
> Muslims will come on Road to declare that Terrorist are Muslims > > but not
> Quranic followers, whenver Muslims would do some roadshow to make > > the
> world realize that Terrorist and Muslim are two different set of > >
> people.. Whenever Muslim would oppose what is written on irf.net that all
> > > Muslims are terrorists and they should be proud of it.. Whenever Muslims
> > > will understand that crime is to be dealt with law and not religion....
> > > THEN Narendra Modi's win would be all people's win...> >> > Don't you
> think
>  that India is secular because it yet contains majority of > > Hindus...
> can you say Kashmir is secular.. we will soon know West Bengal > > becoming
> another Kashmir..> > Why is that wherever Muslims exists (and if there is no
> strict law to > > handle them)..there is killing, hatred and voilence...> >>
> > Muslims have to rethink on their learnings of Quran... Declaring Quran as
> > > words of God and then putting killing into action in the name of same
> God > > is not justifiable.. For hundreds of years this is what is happening
> > > through our Muslims brothers... It is they who have intruded in the
> nation > > of Hindus, Hindus have not gone into Arabia to indulge into what
> they used > > to do there.... Yet, Hindus call them brothers... The day
> Muslim will > > start calling Hindus as brothers... the day Muslims would
> start respecting > > the mother (cow) of their brothers.. the Muslim would
> join the festivals > > of their brothers... the secularism would meet
>  its meaning....> >> > Muslims have to realize that 2002 riot would not
> have taken place, had > > Godhra would not have taken place...> > Muslims
> have to realize that Vande Matram and Jai Hind is what is expected > > from
> their month....> >> > I hope I am clear on why Hindus believe Narendra
> Modi's win is Hindus > > win...> >> > Jai Hind,> >> > ----- Original Message
> ----From: Zainab Bawa <bawazainab79 at gmail.com>To<bawazainab79 at gmail.com%3ETo>:
> > > TaraPrakash <taraprakash at gmail.com>Cc <taraprakash at gmail.com%3ECc>:
> reader-list at sarai.net; Vedavati > > Jogi < vrjogi at hotmail.com>Sent<vrjogi at hotmail.com%3ESent>:
> Monday, December 24, 2007 8:34:38 > > AMSubject: Re: [Reader-list] gujrat
> electionHi Vedavati,Thanks for the > > forceful clarification. I am still a
> bit unclearas to why Modi's victory > > is a victory for Hindus? as for
> formation of Hindu votebanks, there are > > several of them across the
> country and as you yourselfhave accepted that > > just as all Gujjus are not
> Hindus, so also all Hindus arenot Hindus.I > > really apologize for
>  my dimwitedness and my inability to understand your > > claim that Modi's
> victory is a victory for Hindus. Are you suggesting > > thatModi's victory
> is now a step ahead in the formation of > > 'Hindustan'?Again, apologies for
> nagging you.Cheers,Zainab (confused gujju > > ben) On Dec 24, 2007 1:30
> AM, TaraPrakash <taraprakash at gmail.com> wrote:> > > Isn't it rather a
> defeat of Hindu forces? Ask Praveen Togadia. Ask the > > > RSS members
> discontented with Modi. Ask the guy giving Modi "Brahmin ka> > > shaap" for
> getting his son murdered. Will another Hindu terrorist Advani> > > be> happy
> with the results? Is Uma Bharati pseudo secular or pseudo > > communal >
> for> floating her own party against BJP?> The fight in Gujarat > > was a
> fight between Hindus and Hindus if Hindus have> won, Hindus have> > > lost
> too. So your victory gets canceled. Evil wins and evil loses. > May > > be
> you will be more careful before putting your foot in to your mouth> > > next
>  time.>> ----- Original Message -----> From: "Vedavati Jogi" < > >
> vrjogi at hotmail.com>> To: <reader-list at sarai.net>; <tapasrayx at gmail.com>> >
> > Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2007 12:20 AM > Subject: [Reader-list] gujrat >
> > election>>> >> >> >> >> > whether it is a victory for bjp or for > >
> modi....its a useless question.> > its a victory for hindus. and i hope > >
> it will be an eye opener for psudo > > seculars!> >> > you can't always > >
> divide hindus & rule. thank you gujjubhais for showing> > the world that > >
> when hindus unite, hindu vote bank too can be formed!> > > > vedavati> >> >
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