[Reader-list] Amarnath row reignites Azadi sentiments

Sat Jul 5 15:18:34 IST 2008

Inder Salim,

    What is God?  For my perception, limited  as it is, God isgood in every living beings, in thoughts, actions, and deeds, all good in all living beings is GOD to society, any acts, thoughts and deeds which are not for common good of all living beings are acts of devilish, as such there is only one GOD, different humans call him , pray to him in their percieved form, as Ram, Krishna , Allah , as Christ. Sabka malik ek hai. 

 Unfortunately, as technology developed, humans have found new ways to encash every aspect of life in to material wealth, forgetting that though money and wealth are important, it is not the only important asset in life. A human who can develop alround in material, intellectual and spiritual aspect will not have any confusion about GOD, as he will not find god in any temple, masjid or in a church where god is worshipped, it is only form that is worshipped in these places, where it is having no life of its own. Living beings need support for their mind and soul, emotional, spiritual and material, when all of us respond in any capacity to that need of others that is divine work. And let me assure you there are no separate heaven and hell, devatha and devils, they are all in our thoughts, acts and deeds, all good acts are divine, all evil acts that hurt others are devilish.! We make heaven or hell on this planet by our good or bad acts and make others live in hell or heaven. 

 Regards.

----- Original Message -----
From: inder salim <indersalim at gmail.com>
Date: Saturday, July 5, 2008 2:30 pm
Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Amarnath row reignites Azadi sentiments
To: reader-list at sarai.net

> dear pawan ji
> 
> it looks u are interested in the GRASS only
> 
> i too once had a deep facination of the grass, but time move and i see
> there are other things too which can intoxicate
> 
> love
> 
> On Fri, Jul 4, 2008 at 8:03 PM, inder salim <indersalim at gmail.com> 
> wrote:> now POLITICALLY, i see, THERE IS A DEEP MISTRUST BETWEEN 
> HINDUS AND
> > MUSLIMS OF JAMMU AND KASHMIR AND YET THERE IS SO MUCH OF TRADE,
> > FRIENDSHIP AND HARMONEY AT THE GRASS ROOT LEVEL...but politics seems
> > to win in the ends, sadly....
> >
> > now since this sharp divide has come to the fore, i find this an
> > opportunity to doubt the existence of the God.... i dont personally
> > want a debate on that.... but we can atleast behaves like 
> SCEPTICS...> that might perhaps give us a chance to realize the 
> minds of saints
> > poets and wise people in the past and in the present...if that 
> had not
> > happened they too might not have been there..... even prophets and
> > gods have come to to earth because they had the courage to doubt ...
> >
> > i guess it is this doubt that gives us the idea of universal 
> love....> strong belief in this or that might finally harm our own 
> undertanding> of the self...
> >
> > choice is ours
> >
> > with love
> > inder salim
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Jul 3, 2008 at 11:31 PM, Pawan Durani 
> <pawan.durani at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> And the Jammu news doesnt appeal to the born slaves.
> >>
> >> On 7/3/08, Shuddhabrata Sengupta <shuddha at sarai.net> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Dear Shivam,
> >>>
> >>> Thank you for your reports from the valley. They help us get a
> >>> clearer image of the situation and what people are thinking 
> and saying.
> >>>
> >>> best
> >>>
> >>> Shuddha
> >>> On 03-Jul-08, at 8:33 PM, Shivam Vij शिवम् विज् wrote:
> >>>
> >>> > [As published this morning]
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > Amarnath row reignites azadi sentiment
> >>> >
> >>> > Shivam Vij / Srinagar
> >>> > Sakaal Times / 3 July
> >>> > http://epaper.sakaaltimes.com
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > The writing on the wall is clear: The Kashmiri demand for 
> independence>>> > from India is not over yet. Separatist leaders 
> and commoners alike
> >>> > have hailed the withdrawal of the land transfer order as the 
> victory>>> > of the Kashmiri people and called to revitalise the 
> azadi movement.
> >>> >
> >>> > This is clearly a turning point in the 20-year-old militant 
> struggle.>>> > There is also talk of boycotting the coming 
> assembly polls and
> >>> > reunification of the two factions of the Hurriyat 
> Conference. The mood
> >>> > was reflected in every local daily's frontpage headlines. 
> PEOPLE WIN,
> >>> > said Greater Kashmir. Kashmir Savours Victory, said the Kashmir
> >>> > Observer. Kashmir win, said Amroze Kashmir. VICTORY! said 
> Etalaat.>>> > People win, Order revoked, said Kashmir Monitor.
> >>> >
> >>> > The emphasis that it was a people's agitation rather than 
> one of
> >>> > leaders is shared by everyone. The sentiment is shared by 
> every taxi
> >>> > driver, shopkeeper, houseboat-owner, journalist — too widespread
> >>> > to be
> >>> > brushed away as anybody's political gimmick. The agitation 
> was lead by
> >>> > the ACALT committee which had, apart from Hurriyat leaders, 
> apolitical>>> > religious leaders, representatives from trade and 
> transporters'>>> > organisation's, the Kashmir Chambers of 
> Commerce and the Bar Council.
> >>> >
> >>> > Vehement support was given by the Valley's Sikhs and most 
> Kashmiri>>> > Pandit organisations as well. The biggest winner is 
> Hurriyat leader
> >>> > Syed Ali Shah Geelani, who was the first to begin mobilising the
> >>> > public with a signature campaign. In a press conference on 
> Wednesday,>>> > he emphasised: "This punctures New Delhi's theory 
> that our movement is
> >>> > standing on Pakistani support," he said, adding, "did you 
> see a single
> >>> > agitator using violence?" "The movement lives on in the 
> hearts and
> >>> > minds of the people," he told Sakaal Times.
> >>> >
> >>> > The relatively smooth rule of the PDP-Congress coalition and the
> >>> > decline in militancy had led observers to believe that people's
> >>> > participation in polls could increase. "Nobody will vote 
> now," said
> >>> > Etalaat editor Zahiruddin. In fact NC's Omar Abdullah is 
> believed to
> >>> > have said as much to the NSA in his meeting with him in Delhi.
> >>> >
> >>> > "Mainstream politicians in the Valley who believed the 
> movement was on
> >>> > its deathbed have got a rude jolt," he said. "This is very 
> unpleasant>>> > for the Indian government and intelligence 
> agencies who were already
> >>> > talking of a postconflict scenario," says human rights 
> activist Parvez
> >>> > Imroz.
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