[Reader-list] [Fwd: Re: Amaranth Land Issue]

[Tapas Ray]

Radhika,

I realised just now, that I had sent the following message to only you 
yesterday, instead of the list. Once again I hit reply instead of reply 
all! Although our discussion has moved beyond it, I'm still posting it 
now to let the list know what I meant to say, especially my sense of 
belonging with respect to India.

Tapas

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Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Amaranth Land Issue
Date: Sat, 05 Jul 2008 12:07:30 -0400
From: Tapas Ray <tapasrayx at gmail.com>
To: radhikarajen at vsnl.net


Radhika,

Please tell me: have you heard or read these things anywhere?

1. ‘‘Let Muslims look upon Ram as their hero and the communal problems
will be all over’’.

2. ‘‘Jao Pakistan ya kabristan’’.

3. ‘‘Let Muslims understand that their real safety lies in the
goodwill of the majority’’.

Another thing, which I should have clarified in my earlier post: When I
used the word mother within quotation marks, I did not mean that I do
not consider India my country. I used the quote marks to indicate a pun
on the phrase mother India - in the commonly use way, which you are
referring to, and also as a person with a body, who gives birth to the
"monster child".

I know that India is where I belong. I have returned to it in the past.
I am now abroad, and will return again. I feel more at home in India
than I do in any of the countries I have visited, and the country in
which I have lived for a few years, at different times - even though I
often feel as though I get more respect there, than I do in India.

Tapas


radhikarajen at vsnl.net wrote:
> Tapas, 
>     thank you for the response, your post which says the parivar asks muslims to vacate is false propaganda at its worst as no parivar or its members have ever said in so many words. For one, if a muslim is not loyal to the nation, but more loyal to Pakistan, stays in India, marries his progeny to pakistanis as spouse, then the question that naturally arises is to whom are they loyal, to nation of their stay or to the faith. If they are not loyal to the nation, the constitution itself has laws to treat with such kafirs, be it hindus or muslims, then laws of the land to deal with such traitors of the nation has a role to play. Even if a hindu, staying in India, that is this Bharath is traitor he is not rewarded for being traitor because he is hindu.
> 
>  As to constitution, it assures freedom and good governance for all, religion has no role in good governance, but political parties over the years, and its leaders have only relied on votes of communes such as yadavs, reddys, gowdas, and various caste denominations, even candidate is selected only after taking into account the votes of a particular caste equation irrespective of any party. Muslims who have traditionally been voting for Congress have now realised the importance of their votes, go with winning candidate, this with sure confidence can be seen as in karnataka elections where the Congress got marginalised and quite a few muslims have joined BJP, so much for communal gossip of Congress and its sponsored media and anchors.!
>   
>     The very game of reservations and quotas is a ploy to appease  a few sections of caste equations, real beneficiaries even after years of such facility are in the miserable conditions as they were before. good governance should have addressed the issue of education for all, facilitation of vocation skills for alll, earning decent living for all citizens of the nation, and not government jobs based on certificates which with corrupt practise has become a costly affair. If free meal is given, none wants to earn his meal, and the best way is to inculcate the pride of being human, being with self respect, that is enough motivation to earn the meal in honourable earning.., with good basic education, good vocational skillsets, with opportunities for all to sustain themselves.
> 
>   Finally, as per  the constitution all citizens have to be ruled with equity and just laws, but the issue gets subverted when it comes to civil laws, criminal laws as precedence are aplenty where religious leaders of "minority" communities do not accept the common and just laws. ? The end result of all this is open to see as each commune organises itself to barter and bargain for better slice of the cake with violent means, which is sad as in the case of naxals, gujjars and all neglected lot, who are seeing the light in organising themselves to have their say in governance, which clearly indicates of the bad and failed governance of the democratically elected leaders. !
> 
>    Regards. 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Tapas Ray <tapasrayx at gmail.com>
> Date: Saturday, July 5, 2008 6:54 pm
> Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Amaranth Land Issue
> To: radhikarajen at vsnl.net
> 
>> Radhika,
>>
>> Let me just point out that, by asking Muslims to leave India 
>> today, the 
>> Parivar is endorsing the two-nation Jinnah as opposed to the 
>> earlier 
>> Jinnah. We can go farther back to discuss what turned Jinnah into 
>> what 
>> he came to be. But all this is common knowledge.
>>
>> In any case, as you know very well, the Indian constitution does 
>> not 
>> recognise Hindus and Muslims as two nations. Doesn't the Parivar 
>> come 
>> dangerously close to being anti-national in that sense? And its 
>> open use 
>> of violence in this project - what would you like to call it?
>>
>> In saying this, I am not making a fetish of the constitution, or 
>> nationalism. One can be opposed to the constitution of one's own 
>> country 
>> on points of principle, and one should not support everything 
>> one's own 
>> country stands for, if some of these things are not consistent 
>> with 
>> one's sense of justice, morality, ethics, etc.
>>
>> But the Parivar sees itself - and tries very hard to make everyone 
>> else 
>> see it - as the only true nationalist organisation. To me, this is 
>> simply a way of confusing people.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Tapas
>