[Reader-list] 'Tolerant Kashmiris': An editorial in Etalaat

Mon Jul 7 22:04:46 IST 2008

Dear Radhikarajen,

As a Hindu I demand that temple trusts and boards, especially those
formed by governments such as in the case of Amarnath and Vaishnu
Devi, should publish their audited accounts. I demand that this should
be done even if dargahs and churches and temples are not doing so, not
only because they are not government bodies, but also because as a
Hindu I would first demand accountability with what is being done in
the name of my religion - in my name.

As for teh Rajiv, Indira, Nehru, Rahul baba  foundations and such
like, I am sure they already do so as they are accountable to the
Auditor General. The SASB, however, insisted that they are not even
answerable to the legislature!

best
shivam

On Sat, Jul 5, 2008 at 1:09 PM,  <radhikarajen at vsnl.net> wrote:
> Hi,  Shivam,
>
>  your thought regarding accountability of funds of any religious place, visited by devotees is really laudable, but it should uniformly  apply to all the places be it the darga, or a church and any ppace where worshippers have gone to have the feel of spiritual well being, or for faith.
>
>  That apart, would you ask for the accounts of Rajiv Gandhi Foundation, Nehru and Indira gandhi Foundation which keeps the charisma of money from not melting.?
>
>    In these funds are from general citizens tax paid money, irrespective of their religion and faith, any explanations as to how the funds are utilised except five star dinners for seminars of non-consequence.!
>
>   Regards.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Shivam Vij शिवम् विज् <mail at shivamvij.com>
> Date: Saturday, July 5, 2008 12:10 pm
> Subject: Re: [Reader-list] 'Tolerant Kashmiris': An editorial in Etalaat
> To: Pawan Durani <pawan.durani at gmail.com>
> Cc: radhikarajen at vsnl.net, sarai list <reader-list at sarai.net>
>
>> You mean to say they HAVE published accounts? You mean to say they are
>> NOT collecting  in the name of donations? I mean, I went to Baltal
>> yesterday and saw the 'donation' receipts and all, spoke to a lot of
>> people... but you seem to have a monopoly on facts
>>
>> On Sat, Jul 5, 2008 at 12:07 PM, Pawan Durani
>> <pawan.durani at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > If only you know the facts , Mr Jor Na Less Stick.....
>> >
>> > On 7/5/08, Shivam Vij शिवम् विज् <mail at shivamvij.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Actually the ISI refused to finance my trip because Pakistan is not
>> >> taking any interest in Kashmir. Separatists here are both surprised
>> >> and relieved that PTV did not pay attention to the mass
>> uprising. So
>> >> my employers were forced to finance my trip. Would you like to
>> look at
>> >> the bills and accounts? You might also wants to ask the Shri
>> Amarnath>> Shrine Board, in the same vein, to publish their
>> accounts. As a Hindu
>> >> I demand to know how they have been spending the money they collect
>> >> from Muslim (Gujjar, Kashmiri) ponywalas and tentwalas, which they
>> >> collect as compulsory taxes but show as voluntary donation. Oh
>> and the
>> >> 20 years old Vaishnu Devi Shrine Board has never published its
>> >> accounts either...
>> >>
>> >> On Fri, Jul 4, 2008 at 12:57 PM,  <radhikarajen at vsnl.net> wrote:
>> >> > Hi, Shivam,
>> >> >
>> >> >     who is financing your stay in Srinagar, it looks like you
>> are being
>> >> > held hostage with good food and your thoughts are that of a
>> hostage talking
>> >> > good about his kidnappers.! By the way I hope you are guest
>> of Gulam nabi or
>> >> > Mufti as both are known spin doctors who use the bakras like
>> you.?>> >
>> >> >  Regards.
>> >> >
>> >> > ----- Original Message -----
>> >> > From: Shivam Vij शिवम् विज् <mail at shivamvij.com>
>> >> > Date: Thursday, July 3, 2008 8:53 pm
>> >> > Subject: [Reader-list] 'Tolerant Kashmiris': An editorial in
>> Etalaat>> > To: sarai list <reader-list at sarai.net>
>> >> >
>> >> >> Tolerant Kashmiris
>> >> >> 26 June, 2008 08:10:48
>> >> >> http://www.etalaat.net/english/viewpoint/editorial/1111.html
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Vested interests are all out to communalize the on-going
>> agitation>> >> against transfer of forest land to the Amarnath
>> Shrine Board. Time and
>> >> >> again it has been made clear that the on-going agitation is not
>> >> >> against the Yatra or the Yatries. The agitation is against
>> >> >> politicization of the Yatra. Kashmiris want the government
>> to entrust
>> >> >> the job of conducting and facilitating Yatra to the local
>> people who
>> >> >> have been conducting it effectively since 1860.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> To understand the on-going agitation against land transfer
>> in its
>> >> >> right perspectives one has to look into the history of
>> Kashmir.When>> >> important decisions concerning the future of
>> Kashmir were taken
>> >> >> Kashmiris were always ignored. In 1947 a decision was
>> imposed on the
>> >> >> reluctant people and since then the trend continues. In
>> early 60s the
>> >> >> government of India omitted Article 238 from Indian
>> constitution and
>> >> >> thus rendered article 370 infructious. The Article 370 which
>> >> >> guarantees a special status to the state of Jammu Kashmir
>> reads: "Not
>> >> >> withstanding any thing nothing in Article 238 shall apply to
>> the state
>> >> >> of Jammu Kashmir." Article 370 is still there but article
>> 238 which
>> >> >> contained the heart and soul of 370 is not there in the
>> constitution.>> >> Kashmiris to this day do not know about this fraud.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Similarly the government of India abolished the permit
>> system which
>> >> >> required the non-state subjects to obtain a permit for
>> entering the
>> >> >> state. Again the people were not taken into confidence.  In
>> 1975 a
>> >> >> popular movement was strangled. Again the people did not
>> protest. In
>> >> >> 1978 the draconian public safety act (PSA) was framed.
>> People did not
>> >> >> protest. In 1984 TADA was extended to the state. People remained
>> >> >> silent. The Gulmarg issue shook them and the transfer of
>> land did the
>> >> >> miracle. Even this time the government had taken the people for
>> >> >> granted.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> People are angry but they have not thrown caution to the
>> winds. They
>> >> >> have upheld the high traditions of tolerance and have not
>> harmed any
>> >> >> Yatri or a tourist. This is exactly what Islam teaches them. The
>> >> >> Yatries are welcome and so are the tourists. Kashmiris are
>> known for
>> >> >> their hospitality and they will not disappoint the pilgrims
>> and other
>> >> >> guests.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> History is witness to the fact that Kashmiris have always
>> protected>> >> their non-Muslim brethren.  Hundreds of instances
>> can be quoted to
>> >> >> prove the point. However, the following incident shall
>> suffice. A
>> >> >> person who retired as the Chief Conservator of Forests lived in
>> >> >> Shahr-e-Khaas during his college days. One day while on his
>> way to the
>> >> >> college he was intercepted by a crowd. Taken for a Bakra (A
>> supporter>> >> of Mirwaiz Yusuf Shah) he was given  sound
>> thrashing. Somehow he ran
>> >> >> away but only to be caught by another violent group. This
>> time he was
>> >> >> taken for a Sher (Supporter of Sheikh Abdullah) and beaten
>> to pulp.
>> >> >> Again he managed his escape. When caught for the third time, he
>> >> >> shouted: "I am a Pandit." Nobody touched him this time. He
>> was given
>> >> >> safe passage.
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