[Reader-list] On Modi's entry in US

Radhakrishnan krishnanrr at rediffmail.com
Fri Jul 11 17:39:21 IST 2008 

There has been too many mails about the visit of Modi to US.Ironically its raised by the very same people who want to make that extra dollars through Human Rights issue and Corporate NGOs but are too shy to approach this issue to the Judiciary or Civil Society. As one of the respondent had mentioned such acts of doesn't augur well for those eho adhere to democratic norms. They are also too inteeligent or naive to ignore other acts of human rights violation in the Northeast,JK (plight of Pundits & MUslims) and the continous subjugation of Dalits...probably they aren't lucarative enough in terms of FRCA..etc ....all one seeks is some amount of honesty in scholarship..research and activism..

Moreover one has to caution others from falling in the trap of coalitions and campaign against violence and genocide promted by any kind of faith based organisation. Since one kind of communalism cannot be countered by other kind which seems to the case in the US.

This would also strethen those forces which have been at the forefront to promote unilateralist policies of the US around the world and the prevalence of an unequal social order within their country.

Radhakrishnan   


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>Message: 1
>Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 16:37:34 +0530
> From: Shuddhabrata Sengupta <shuddha at sarai.net>
>Subject: [Reader-list] Farewell to our Humid Weimar
>To: sarai list <reader-list at sarai.net>
>Message-ID: <7F36D1DA-4DCE-42EF-A812-2887B32CFE94 at sarai.net>
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>Dear All,
>
>I find it sad that all those who live in India are being sent
>headlong into a period of turbulence following the unilateral
>decision by the so-called Left parties in response to the Indo-US
>Nuclear Deal. In all likelihood, if the government of the day fails
>to pass the test of numbers on the floor of parliament, India will
>head straight for early elections. The likely beneficiary of this
>process will be the BJP, and if, going by the extensive coverage that
>the Hindu, usually the mainstream media mouthpiece of the so called
>Communist Party of India (Marxist) has given to L.K. Advani (the
>billowing PM in waiting of the BJP), then, it needs to be read as a
>sign of things to come. A covert entente cordiale between the so
>called Left and the Right in Indian politics. Or, in other words,
>Prakash Karat handing L.K. Advani the prime-ministership on a
>platter. A decade or so ago, while Harkrishen Singh Surjeet was
>'managing' the Congress on behalf of the CPI(M), a similar covert
>entente cordiale between the so called Left and the Congress (which
>matured into a full fledged partnership) was as unthinkable, as what
>augurs, when the 'Patriots' of the Left and the Right begin dancing
>their secret tango.
>
>In this entire episode, everyone has come out in glorious colours,
>the Congress with its pathetic kow-towing to US interests under the
>stewardship of George Bush, the Left with its myopic Nuclear
>patriotism and its abdication of any responsibility towards
>developing a programme that is critical of the Indian state's Nuclear
>military ambitions, the BJP with its sabre rattling, the Socialists
>with their usual cynical opportunism.
>
>And so ends the brief humid Weimar of the Indian Republic. Let us
>celebrate its demise by recalling how pallid and banal it has already
>become.
>
>I guess we should all now get accustomed to the idea of  Narendra
>Modi as a possible Union Minister of the Interior in the forthcoming
>years.
>
>best
>
>Shuddha
>
>
>Shuddhabrata Sengupta
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 2
>Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 16:11:19 +0500
> From: radhikarajen at vsnl.net
>Subject: Re: [Reader-list] does Modi's non-entry into US mean
> 	anything?
>To: sadiafwahidi at yahoo.co.in
>Cc: reader-list at sarai.net
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>Sadia,
>       what one should do in civilised democratic society as citizen of the society. ?
>
>      As a citizen I can vote for him or vote for another candidate. What do you mean by doing some thing, you are encouraging citizens to take law into their hands be barbaric to dispense what you seem and deem it as right. ? Then what is the difference between you and Dawood Ibrahim or Al queada chief. ?
>
>    Freedom means as you are free you have social responsibilty as well beyond religion and faith as human, it is better you remember that overwhelming citizens have voted for the party and its leader to rule the state and govern for the assigned term of five years. In democratic way, you can vote him out, do not nurse any other ideas as you are cause for action and then reaction which can be very traumatic for all citizens as violence only begets more of it, in the process of blasts, the blasts do not recognise the victims religion and faith to strike miseries.
>
>   It is my sincere request to stop this nonsense of action and reactions and if possible generate awareness if any bad acts done personally by Modi with evidence, educate the voter about good governance in democratic system, thus expect to be catalyst for change.?
>
>  Regards.
>
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
> From: "S.Fatima" <sadiafwahidi at yahoo.co.in>
>Date: Thursday, July 10, 2008 8:55 am
>Subject: Re: [Reader-list] does Modi's non-entry into US mean anything?
>To: Rashmi Sawhney <rashmi.sawhney at gmail.com>
>Cc: reader-list at sarai.net
>
> > Dear Rashmi
> > Its fine if you wish to rest the case here. But I still think you
> > have been only reacting to my most casual and minor points (such
> > as 'smoking out' or the word Gujarati etc.) My main/original point
> > still remains unanswered: Isn't it hypocritical that we do nothing
> > about Modi in India, and have a problem if he travels to the US?
> > And what difference will it make if he can't go to the US?
> > Does anyone else have an answer to that?
> >
> > F
> >
> >
> > --- On Wed, 9/7/08, Rashmi Sawhney <rashmi.sawhney at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > From: Rashmi Sawhney <rashmi.sawhney at gmail.com>
> > > Subject: Re: [Reader-list] does Modi's non-entry into US mean
> > anything?> To: sadiafwahidi at yahoo.co.in
> > > Cc: reader-list at sarai.net
> > > Date: Wednesday, 9 July, 2008, 10:36 PM
> > > Dera Fatima,
> > >
> > > Two brief points:
> > >
> > > 1. There is a measure of desperation in suggesting that the
> > > US should take
> > > responsibility for 'smoking out' Modi as
> > > they've been doing with individuals
> > > and nations they see as being problematic around the world.
> > > Although,
> > > privately, if they manage to isolate him and do this, I
> > > will join in your
> > > celebrations.
> > > 2. I have a fundamental issue with your point about whether
> > > Modi's non/entry
> > > is going to affect the business and trade of the people of
> > > Gujarat/ of
> > > Gujarati origin.
> > > The view: Gujarati = Hindu = pro-Modi/pro-Hindutva is
> > > problematic and
> > > furthers the very image and idea of Gujarat that the BJP
> > > have been
> > > projecting under Modi's leadership. There are many
> > > Gujaratis who are
> > > Muslims, Jains, Parsis and Christians, so the alignment of
> > > a linguistic
> > > community with a religious group is problematic.
> > >
> > > I will rest my case here,
> > >
> > > Rashmi
> > >
> > > On Wed, Jul 9, 2008 at 5:40 PM, S.Fatima
> > > <sadiafwahidi at yahoo.co.in> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Dear Rashmi
> > > > I know my analogy was stupid, but I was mostly
> > > reacting to the report which
> > > > I quoted about the US State department revoking his
> > > visa earlier under the
> > > > Immigration and Nationality Act, "which prohibits
> > > foreign officials who are
> > > > responsible for or directly carried out, at any time,
> > > particularly severe
> > > > violations of religious freedom from obtaining U.S.
> > > visas". Now, why doesn't
> > > > such a law apply in India, why can't we punish him
> > > under similar accusations
> > > > here. I am sure the US govt is acting in this manner
> > > only on the basis of
> > > > the information provided to it by the Indian state.
> > > >
> > > > This is what I can't fathom: we in India continue
> > > to accept Modi, vote him
> > > > to power, allow him to do all that business of shining
> > > Gujarat, but we have
> > > > a problem if he goes to the US (as you say even the
> > > people outside the US
> > > > will be agitated if he enters US). So, why aren't
> > > we doing something about
> > > > him while he shines in Gujarat. Why doesn't the US
> > > bomb Gujarat to 'smoke
> > > > him' out, the way it does to the others it
> > > doesn't like.
> > > >
> > > > I have my doubts if his non-entry is going to affect
> > > the business and trade
> > > > of the Gujaratis. On the other hand, the rallying for
> > > his non-entry by the
> > > > so-called peace activists only leads to further divide
> > > between the NRI
> > > > saffronites and the secularists. The saffronites will
> > > get further motivated
> > > > to work against the cause of peace. More hate-dollars
> > > will pump into India.
> > > >
> > > > SF
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- On Wed, 9/7/08, Rashmi Sawhney
> > > <rashmi.sawhney at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > From: Rashmi Sawhney
> > > <rashmi.sawhney at gmail.com>
> > > > > Subject: Re: [Reader-list] does Modi's
> > > non-entry into US mean anything?
> > > > > To: sadiafwahidi at yahoo.co.in
> > > > > Cc: reader-list at sarai.net
> > > > > Date: Wednesday, 9 July, 2008, 8:54 PM
> > > >  > Dear Fatima,
> > > > >
> > > > > Your analogy, I must agree with you, may probably
> > > be wrong,
> > > > > but is certainly
> > > > > naive and unproductive. A second denial of entry
> > > into the
> > > > > US may be seen
> > > > > from within Modi camps as being detrimental to
> > > his efforts
> > > > > of furthering the
> > > > > lie about a vibrant Gujarat. There are enough
> > > numbers of
> > > > > religious
> > > > > fundamentalists in the Western world who support
> > > Modi's
> > > > > Hindutva ideology,
> > > > > who may probably not take to the visa refusal
> > > kindly. Had
> > > > > the US granted
> > > > > Modi entry so many anti Modi individuals and
> > > organisations
> > > > > around the world,
> > > > > including in India, would be agitaged about this
> > > too.
> > > > >
> > > > > It is not a question of whether the activists in
> > > the US and
> > > > > NRIs want
> > > > > to demonstrate that their sympathy for
> > > Gujarat's
> > > > > Muslims is more than
> > > > > activists in India - I think that is a reductive
> > > approach
> > > > > that defeats the
> > > > > purpose of a collective anti-Modi struggle. If
> > > you want to
> > > > > campaign against
> > > > > the USA's discriminatory and hypocritic
> > > policies, there
> > > > > are many other
> > > > > widely available issues that you could pick on -
> > > issues
> > > > > that affect common
> > > > > people without any clout or power.
> > > > >
> > > > > Most countries have their own 'germ-infested
> > > foods'
> > > > > that are rapidly
> > > > > destroying any social fabrics composed of
> > > difference -
> > > > > perhaps one could
> > > > > consider the option of deputing germs-infested
> > > foods from
> > > > > different
> > > > > societies to other parts of the world to see if
> > > they
> > > > > survive under hostile
> > > > > and foreign conditions. Or, if your approach to
> > > solving the
> > > > > problem of
> > > > > Gujarat is to 'export' the germ-infested
> > > food,
> > > > > please consider throwing it
> > > > > in the sea.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Wed, Jul 9, 2008 at 3:30 PM, S.Fatima
> > > > > <sadiafwahidi at yahoo.co.in> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Please see the report/appeal below, about
> > > another
> > > > > effort to stop the
> > > > > > Gujarat CM Narendra Modi from entering the
> > > US. While
> > > > > withholding all my
> > > > > > angst against what he allowed to happen in
> > > Gujarat in
> > > > > 2002 and the fact that
> > > > > > he shamelessly continues to be blind to the
> > > growing
> > > > > hatred against Muslims,
> > > > > > I wonder if the efforts by our activist
> > > friends in the
> > > > > US to stop him from
> > > > > > entering that soil mean anything other than
> > > a
> > > > > hypocracy. After all, he
> > > > > > continues to live and do what he pleases in
> > > > > India/Gujarat, but we won't
> > > > > > allow him in the US... Isn't that
> > > ridiculous?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Are they trying to teach him a lesson, or
> > > punish him
> > > > > through this gesture?
> > > > > > Is his non-entry into the US going to badly
> > > affect the
> > > > > Gujaratis' business
> > > > > > and trade (which he is supposed to solemnize
> > > in New
> > > > > Jersey)? Not the least,
> > > > > > I think. So what is it then? Is it a
> > > symbolic
> > > > > rejection of his leadership?
> > > > > > Or do the NRI and American activist want to
> > > show that
> > > > > they care about
> > > > > > Gujarat's Muslims more than the
> > > activists in
> > > > > India?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Although this analogy maybe completely
> > > wrong, but I
> > > > > can't help think this:
> > > > > > "We won't allow a germ-infested
> > > food that is
> > > > > killing thousands in India to
> > > > > > enter the US"....
> > > > > > Other thoughts are welcome.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ==========
> > > > > >
> > > > > > USCIRF Urges Denial of U.S. Visa to Gujarat
> > > Chief
> > > > > Minister Narendra Modi
> > > > > > FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
> > > > > > July 8, 2008
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Contact:  Judith Ingram
> > > > > > Communications Director
> > > > > > (202) 523-3240, ext. 127
> > > > > >
> > > > > > WASHINGTON - The United States Commission on
> > > > > International Religious
> > > > > > Freedom urges the U.S. State Department to
> > > reaffirm
> > > > > its past decision to
> > > > > > deny a tourist visa to Gujarat Chief
> > > Minister Narendra
> > > > > Modi, who has been
> > > > > > invited to attend a conference in New Jersey
> > > this
> > > > > August celebrating
> > > > > > Gujarati culture.  Modi was previously
> > > denied entrance
> > > > > to the United States
> > > > > > due to his role in riots that overtook the
> > > Indian
> > > > > state of Gujarat from
> > > > > > February to May 2002 in which reportedly as
> > > many as
> > > > > 2,000 Muslims were
> > > > > > killed, thousands raped, and over 200,000
> > > displaced.
> > > > > Numerous reports,
> > > > > > including reports of official bodies of the
> > > Government
> > > > > of India, have
> > > > > > documented the role of Modi's state
> > > government in
> > > > > the planning and execution
> > > > > > of the violence, and the failure to hold
> > > perpetrators
> > > > > accountable.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Following Modi's invitation to attend
> > > conferences
> > > > > in the U.S. in 2005, the
> > > > > > Commission successfully urged the State
> > > Department to
> > > > > revoke Modi's U.S.
> > > > > > tourist visa.  Despite pressure from the
> > > Indian
> > > > > government, the State
> > > > > > Department revoked his visa under the
> > > Immigration and
> > > > > Nationality Act (INA),
> > > > > > which prohibits foreign government officials
> > > who are
> > > > > "responsible for or
> > > > > > directly carried out, at any time,
> > > particularly severe
> > > > > violations of
> > > > > > religious freedom" from obtaining U.S.
> > > visas.
> > > > > This section was added to the
> > > > > > INA by the International Religious Freedom
> > > Act of
> > > > > 1998. The Commission once
> > > > > > again urges the State Department to announce
> > > > > Modi's ineligibility for a visa
> > > > > > under the terms of the INA.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "We have not seen changes that would
> > > warrant a
> > > > > policy reversal," said
> > > > > > Commission Chair Felice D. Gaer. "As
> > > official
> > > > > bodies of the government of
> > > > > > India have found, Narendra Modi is culpable
> > > for the
> > > > > egregious and systematic
> > > > > > human rights abuses wrought against
> > > thousands of
> > > > > India's Muslims. Mr. Modi
> > > > > > must demonstrate to the State Department and
> > > to the
> > > > > American people why
> > > > > > he-as a person found to have aided and
> > > abetted gross
> > > > > violations of human
> > > > > > rights, including religious freedom-should
> > > now be
> > > > > eligible for a tourist
> > > > > > visa.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Following the riots in 2002, India's
> > > National
> > > > > Human Rights Commission
> > > > > > issued a report that pointed to the role of
> > > Modi's
> > > > > government in the
> > > > > > systematic murder of Muslims and the
> > > calculated
> > > > > destruction of Muslim homes
> > > > > > and businesses. In 2003, the Indian central
> > > government
> > > > > found corruption and
> > > > > > anti-Muslim bias to be so pervasive in the
> > > Gujarat
> > > > > judiciary that riot cases
> > > > > > were shifted for trial to the neighboring
> > > state of
> > > > > Maharashtra.  Despite
> > > > > > this action, the lack of justice for victims
> > > remains a
> > > > > serious concern, as
> > > > > > there have been very few court convictions
> > > in the six
> > > > > years since the
> > > > > > religion-based riots. In 2007, a series of
> > > articles in
> > > > > the Indian
> > > > > > publication Tehelka documented police
> > > officers and
> > > > > government officials on
> > > > > > audio and videotape confessing that they
> > > facilitated
> > > > > the violence, at times
> > > > > > at the direct behest of Modi.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "The inaction of Gujarat's
> > > government and
> > > > > police force in the face of
> > > > > > severe violence against religious minorities
> > > is an
> > > > > inexcusable abuse of
> > > > > > international human rights
> > > obligations," Gaer
> > > > > said.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >      Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage.
> > > Get it now,
> > > > > on
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > http://help.yahoo.com/l/in/yahoo/mail/yahoomail/tools/tools-08.html/
> > > > > >
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>Message: 3
>Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 16:12:01 +0500
> From: radhikarajen at vsnl.net
>Subject: Re: [Reader-list] US-India Nuclear Agreement - Still a Bad
> 	Deal
>To: Anivar Aravind <anivar.aravind at gmail.com>
>Cc: reader-list at sarai.net, fourth-estate-critique at googlegroups.com
>Message-ID: <e20ba23a7a581.48778651 at vsnl.net>
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>When a lame duck prime minister and governance by UPA which is struggling to cobble numbers to remain in power at any cost by appeasing regional satraps who have their own agendas of loots, likes of lalu in chara gotala, Devegowda which has the land mafia with him, TR Balu and raja selling spectrum for their gains as exposed in media, PM who is heading a minority government has no moral rights to mortgage the national interest to please his world bank boss, Bush, and gain kickbacks for his madam Sonia.
>
>  It may also be noted that the spokespersons of Congress likes of Moily and Poojary also, Jayanthi have been discarded by thier own communes of votebanks, lost all elections and have been courtesans in the court by virtue of being court jesters to madam Sonia,?
>
>  Regards.
>
>----- Original Message -----
> From: Anivar Aravind <anivar.aravind at gmail.com>
>Date: Wednesday, July 9, 2008 10:29 pm
>Subject: [Reader-list] US-India Nuclear Agreement - Still a Bad Deal
>To: reader-list at sarai.net, fourth-estate-critique at googlegroups.com
>
> >
> > From: 	SANSAD <sansad at sansad.org>
> >
> > As a constituent of US-India Working Group of Abolition 2000,
> > SANSAD is
> > pleased to disseminate this Media Release. Once again, we urge the
> > Canadian government (a member of Board of Governors of the
> > InternationalAtomic Energy Agency, as well as of the Nuclear
> > Suppliers Group) to not
> > support the highly problematic US-India Nuclear Deal.
> >
> > sansad
> > *******************
> >
> > Media Release
> > July 8, 2008
> >
> > US-India Nuclear Agreement - Still a Bad Deal:
> > Global Network of NGOs Urge International Community to Oppose
> >
> > The US-India Deal Working Group of Abolition 2000, a global
> > network of
> > over 2000 organizations in more than 90 countries working for a global
> > treaty to eliminate nuclear weapons, says that pressure to rush a
> > decision on the US-India Nuclear Agreement must be resisted.
> >
> > The organizations are calling upon key governments "to play an active
> > role in supporting measures that would ensure this controversial
> > proposal does not: further undermine the nuclear safeguards system and
> > efforts to prevent the proliferation of technologies that may be
> > used to
> > produce nuclear bomb material," or "in any way contribute to the
> > expansion of India's nuclear arsenal."
> >
> > This week, in defiance of opposition from Left Parties on whose
> > supportit depends, the Indian government is expected to circulate
> > a draft
> > nuclear Safeguards Agreement to the Board of Governors of the
> > International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA). In doing so, it set in
> > motionthe remaining steps required to operationalize the US-India
> > bilateralnuclear agreement (known as the "123 Agreement" after the
> > relevantclause in the US Atomic Energy Act). Besides the
> > Safeguards Agreement,
> > the 45-nation Nuclear Suppliers Group (NSG) must grant India a special
> > exemption from its nuclear trade guidelines and finally the US
> > Congressmust accept the terms of the "123 Agreement".
> >
> > It took two years from the July 2005 Joint Statement by Prime Minister
> > Singh and President Bush until the text of the "123 Agreement" was
> > finalized and nearly a year has elapsed since then. After delaying for
> > so long, the decision at this time by the Indian government to
> > send the
> > draft Safeguards Agreement to the IAEA Board of Governors has more
> > to do
> > with the personal pride of Prime Minister Singh than with any
> > changes in
> > national or international circumstances. It appears that Mr Singh is
> > more concerned about keeping faith with President Bush than the
> > chancesthat the deal might actually be concluded. Most political
> > commentators,including proponents of the deal within the US
> > government and Congress,
> > believe that the required steps cannot be completed during the
> > life of
> > the Bush Administration. Furthermore, there is no guarantee that the
> > next President will wish to proceed with the deal in its current form.
> >
> > The US-India Nuclear Agreement was a bad deal when it was originally
> > conceived and nothing has changed to redeem it since then. All the
> > problems identified in a letter sent to the NSG and the IAEA by
> > 130 NGOs
> > and experts in January this year still remain. See the following link
> > for the text of and list of signatories of the international letter:
> >
> > _http://cnic.jp/english/topics/plutonium/proliferation/usindiafiles/nsgiaea7jan08.html_
> > _
> > _
> > The deal effectively grants India the privileges of nuclear weapons
> > states (NWS), despite the fact that India developed nuclear weapons
> > outside the NPT regime. It doesn't even require India to accept
> > the same
> > responsibilities as other states: full-scope IAEA safeguards for
> > non-NWS
> > and a commitment from NWS to negotiate in good faith for the
> > eliminationof nuclear weapons.
> >
> > The IAEA and NSG must not to be stampeded into making decisions to fit
> > in with an unrealistic political time-table. The 35 countries
> > represented on the IAEA Board of Governors must consider the
> > possibilitythat special conditions demanded by India could
> > undermine the
> > credibility of the IAEA safeguards system itself. They must also
> > consider whether undertakings made by a government at the fag end
> > of its
> > tenure and facing strong domestic opposition would actually be
> > honored.The NSG must consider the implications for the international
> > non-proliferation regime of granting India a special exemption. These
> > are weighty matters which should not be judged precipitously.
> >
> > The IAEA Board of Governors and the Nuclear Suppliers Group of
> > countriesshould, as a minimum condition, hold firm to the longstanding
> > international effort to end all production of highly enriched uranium
> > and plutonium to make nuclear weapons. They should insist that the
> > U.S.-India deal be conditioned on an end to further production of
> > fissile materials for weapons purposes in South Asia.
> >
> > Contacts
> > JAPAN (English and Japanese)
> > _Tokyo:_ Philip White, Coordinator, Abolition 2000 US-India Deal
> > WorkingGroup +81-3-3357-3800
> > _Toyako G8 Summit_: Akira Kawasaki, Peace Boat, 090-8310-5370,
> > kawasaki at peaceboat.gr.jp
> > INDIA: Sukla Sen, National Coordination Committee Member,
> > Coalition for
> > Nuclear Disarmament and Peace +91-22-6553-4377
> > UNITED STATES: Daryl Kimball, Director, Arms Control Association,
> > +1-202-463-8270
> > AUSTRALIA - John Hallam PND Nuclear Flashpoints 61-2-9810-2598
> > 61-2-9319-4296
> >
> > c/- Citizens' Nuclear Information Center, Tokyo, Japan
> > Tel: 81-3-3357-3800  Fax: 81-3-3357-3801        Email 1: white at cnic.jp
> > Web Site:
> > http://cnic.jp/english/topics/plutonium/proliferation/usindia.html
> >
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>Message: 4
>Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 16:14:25 +0500
> From: radhikarajen at vsnl.net
>Subject: Re: [Reader-list] does Modi's non-entry into US mean
> 	anything?
>To: sadiafwahidi at yahoo.co.in
>Cc: reader-list at sarai.net
>Message-ID: <e3a98cf87c451.487786e1 at vsnl.net>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
>Fathima,
>
>  what about the saudi riyals and petro dollars that have flown to defend the accused into the "secular " trust and NGO of the Theesta and high payments to high profile "criminal" lawyers?
>
>   Regards.
>
>----- Original Message -----
> From: "S.Fatima" <sadiafwahidi at yahoo.co.in>
>Date: Wednesday, July 9, 2008 10:11 pm
>Subject: Re: [Reader-list] does Modi's non-entry into US mean anything?
>To: Rashmi Sawhney <rashmi.sawhney at gmail.com>
>Cc: reader-list at sarai.net
>
> > Dear Rashmi
> > I know my analogy was stupid, but I was mostly reacting to the
> > report which I quoted about the US State department revoking his
> > visa earlier under the Immigration and Nationality Act, "which
> > prohibits foreign officials who are responsible for or directly
> > carried out, at any time, particularly severe violations of
> > religious freedom from obtaining U.S. visas". Now, why doesn't
> > such a law apply in India, why can't we punish him under similar
> > accusations here. I am sure the US govt is acting in this manner
> > only on the basis of the information provided to it by the Indian
> > state.
> > This is what I can't fathom: we in India continue to accept Modi,
> > vote him to power, allow him to do all that business of shining
> > Gujarat, but we have a problem if he goes to the US (as you say
> > even the people outside the US will be agitated if he enters US).
> > So, why aren't we doing something about him while he shines in
> > Gujarat. Why doesn't the US bomb Gujarat to 'smoke him' out, the
> > way it does to the others it doesn't like.
> >
> > I have my doubts if his non-entry is going to affect the business
> > and trade of the Gujaratis. On the other hand, the rallying for
> > his non-entry by the so-called peace activists only leads to
> > further divide between the NRI saffronites and the secularists.
> > The saffronites will get further motivated to work against the
> > cause of peace. More hate-dollars will pump into India.
> >
> > SF
> >
> >
> > --- On Wed, 9/7/08, Rashmi Sawhney <rashmi.sawhney at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > From: Rashmi Sawhney <rashmi.sawhney at gmail.com>
> > > Subject: Re: [Reader-list] does Modi's non-entry into US mean
> > anything?> To: sadiafwahidi at yahoo.co.in
> > > Cc: reader-list at sarai.net
> > > Date: Wednesday, 9 July, 2008, 8:54 PM
> > > Dear Fatima,
> > >
> > > Your analogy, I must agree with you, may probably be wrong,
> > > but is certainly
> > > naive and unproductive. A second denial of entry into the
> > > US may be seen
> > > from within Modi camps as being detrimental to his efforts
> > > of furthering the
> > > lie about a vibrant Gujarat. There are enough numbers of
> > > religious
> > > fundamentalists in the Western world who support Modi's
> > > Hindutva ideology,
> > > who may probably not take to the visa refusal kindly. Had
> > > the US granted
> > > Modi entry so many anti Modi individuals and organisations
> > > around the world,
> > > including in India, would be agitaged about this too.
> > >
> > > It is not a question of whether the activists in the US and
> > > NRIs want
> > > to demonstrate that their sympathy for Gujarat's
> > > Muslims is more than
> > > activists in India - I think that is a reductive approach
> > > that defeats the
> > > purpose of a collective anti-Modi struggle. If you want to
> > > campaign against
> > > the USA's discriminatory and hypocritic policies, there
> > > are many other
> > > widely available issues that you could pick on - issues
> > > that affect common
> > > people without any clout or power.
> > >
> > > Most countries have their own 'germ-infested foods'
> > > that are rapidly
> > > destroying any social fabrics composed of difference -
> > > perhaps one could
> > > consider the option of deputing germs-infested foods from
> > > different
> > > societies to other parts of the world to see if they
> > > survive under hostile
> > > and foreign conditions. Or, if your approach to solving the
> > > problem of
> > > Gujarat is to 'export' the germ-infested food,
> > > please consider throwing it
> > > in the sea.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Wed, Jul 9, 2008 at 3:30 PM, S.Fatima
> > > <sadiafwahidi at yahoo.co.in> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Please see the report/appeal below, about another
> > > effort to stop the
> > > > Gujarat CM Narendra Modi from entering the US. While
> > > withholding all my
> > > > angst against what he allowed to happen in Gujarat in
> > > 2002 and the fact that
> > > > he shamelessly continues to be blind to the growing
> > > hatred against Muslims,
> > > > I wonder if the efforts by our activist friends in the
> > > US to stop him from
> > > > entering that soil mean anything other than a
> > > hypocracy. After all, he
> > > > continues to live and do what he pleases in
> > > India/Gujarat, but we won't
> > > > allow him in the US... Isn't that ridiculous?
> > > >
> > > > Are they trying to teach him a lesson, or punish him
> > > through this gesture?
> > > > Is his non-entry into the US going to badly affect the
> > > Gujaratis' business
> > > > and trade (which he is supposed to solemnize in New
> > > Jersey)? Not the least,
> > > > I think. So what is it then? Is it a symbolic
> > > rejection of his leadership?
> > > > Or do the NRI and American activist want to show that
> > > they care about
> > > > Gujarat's Muslims more than the activists in
> > > India?
> > > >
> > > > Although this analogy maybe completely wrong, but I
> > > can't help think this:
> > > > "We won't allow a germ-infested food that is
> > > killing thousands in India to
> > > > enter the US"....
> > > > Other thoughts are welcome.
> > > >
> > > > ==========
> > > >
> > > > USCIRF Urges Denial of U.S. Visa to Gujarat Chief
> > > Minister Narendra Modi
> > > > FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
> > > > July 8, 2008
> > > >
> > > > Contact:  Judith Ingram
> > > > Communications Director
> > > > (202) 523-3240, ext. 127
> > > >
> > > > WASHINGTON - The United States Commission on
> > > International Religious
> > > > Freedom urges the U.S. State Department to reaffirm
> > > its past decision to
> > > > deny a tourist visa to Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra
> > > Modi, who has been
> > > > invited to attend a conference in New Jersey this
> > > August celebrating
> > > > Gujarati culture.  Modi was previously denied entrance
> > > to the United States
> > > > due to his role in riots that overtook the Indian
> > > state of Gujarat from
> > > > February to May 2002 in which reportedly as many as
> > > 2,000 Muslims were
> > > > killed, thousands raped, and over 200,000 displaced.
> > > Numerous reports,
> > > > including reports of official bodies of the Government
> > > of India, have
> > > > documented the role of Modi's state government in
> > > the planning and execution
> > > > of the violence, and the failure to hold perpetrators
> > > accountable.
> > > >
> > > > Following Modi's invitation to attend conferences
> > > in the U.S. in 2005, the
> > > > Commission successfully urged the State Department to
> > > revoke Modi's U.S.
> > > > tourist visa.  Despite pressure from the Indian
> > > government, the State
> > > > Department revoked his visa under the Immigration and
> > > Nationality Act (INA),
> > > > which prohibits foreign government officials who are
> > > "responsible for or
> > > > directly carried out, at any time, particularly severe
> > > violations of
> > > > religious freedom" from obtaining U.S. visas.
> > > This section was added to the
> > > > INA by the International Religious Freedom Act of
> > > 1998. The Commission once
> > > > again urges the State Department to announce
> > > Modi's ineligibility for a visa
> > > > under the terms of the INA.
> > > >
> > > > "We have not seen changes that would warrant a
> > > policy reversal," said
> > > > Commission Chair Felice D. Gaer. "As official
> > > bodies of the government of
> > > > India have found, Narendra Modi is culpable for the
> > > egregious and systematic
> > > > human rights abuses wrought against thousands of
> > > India's Muslims. Mr. Modi
> > > > must demonstrate to the State Department and to the
> > > American people why
> > > > he-as a person found to have aided and abetted gross
> > > violations of human
> > > > rights, including religious freedom-should now be
> > > eligible for a tourist
> > > > visa.
> > > >
> > > > Following the riots in 2002, India's National
> > > Human Rights Commission
> > > > issued a report that pointed to the role of Modi's
> > > government in the
> > > > systematic murder of Muslims and the calculated
> > > destruction of Muslim homes
> > > > and businesses. In 2003, the Indian central government
> > > found corruption and
> > > > anti-Muslim bias to be so pervasive in the Gujarat
> > > judiciary that riot cases
> > > > were shifted for trial to the neighboring state of
> > > Maharashtra.  Despite
> > > > this action, the lack of justice for victims remains a
> > > serious concern, as
> > > > there have been very few court convictions in the six
> > > years since the
> > > > religion-based riots. In 2007, a series of articles in
> > > the Indian
> > > > publication Tehelka documented police officers and
> > > government officials on
> > > > audio and videotape confessing that they facilitated
> > > the violence, at times
> > > > at the direct behest of Modi.
> > > >
> > > > "The inaction of Gujarat's government and
> > > police force in the face of
> > > > severe violence against religious minorities is an
> > > inexcusable abuse of
> > > > international human rights obligations," Gaer
> > > said.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >      Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now,
> > > on
> > > >
> > > http://help.yahoo.com/l/in/yahoo/mail/yahoomail/tools/tools-08.html/
> > > >
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