[Reader-list] Kashmiri 'bandits' should .... return to theirancestral home - Washington declaration

Fri Jul 18 16:34:13 IST 2008

Behen Sonia, 

 this is the problem with sponsored journalists  who have a mission to complete, not social harmony, create issues so that they can study the issues with further sponsorship. ?. Kashmir has seen for centuries harmonious society of hindus and muslims having the joys of life, till the division of nation, later the faith based militancy ignored humanitarian concerns, led by a pandit, in jawahar lal Nehru.If Shivam has visited the transit camps in Delhi or even in Gujarath, his views may change a little. ?

    Even in recent times a kashmiri muslim loves tourists, is a good host, because his rozi-roti is dependent on him inspite all rhetorical talks by separatist leaders. kashmir has highest economic benefits for its society from tourism.Ofcourse sponsored journalists who have some better( ? )  motives than social harmony always provoke society and have fun in other individuals miseries in the cozy comfort of sponsorship.

   In Gujarath where the muslims adjusted to the society they are living in wounds heal in both the communities if the secular journalists stop opening them at regular intervals for electoral gains, if the anchors aspiring for Padma awards stop the propaganda of Modi being anti muslim, if the social scientists understand and interpret the stats available without any baggage of pleasing the political party which lives on, tries to gain on vote banks.!

 Regards.

----- Original Message -----
From: "S. Jabbar" <sonia.jabbar at gmail.com>
Date: Friday, July 18, 2008 4:14 pm
Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Kashmiri 'bandits' should .... return to theirancestral home - Washington declaration
To: Shivam Vij शिवम् विज्  <mail at shivamvij.com>
Cc: Sarai <reader-list at sarai.net>

> Well, then you and I are made of very different stuff...Good luck!
> 
> On 7/18/08 4:10 PM, "Shivam Vij शिवम् विज्" <mail at shivamvij.com> 
> wrote:
> > That is a personal question directed only at me. Yes, perhaps I
> wouldn't,
> > particularly if I am part of a community that is
> overwhelmingly not in favour
> > of returning, and I would return only
> with a large group. And particularly if
> > I am well settled in a job in
> Delhi.
> 
> best
> shivam
> 
> On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at
> > 4:08 PM, S. Jabbar <sonia.jabbar at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Ok, your take entirely,
> > but you still haven't answered my question, which is
> > would you not return to
> > your home because you wanted to score a political
> > point?
> >
> >
> > On 7/18/08
> > 4:00 PM, "Shivam Vij शिवम् विज्" <mail at shivamvij.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Dear
> > Sonia,
> >
> > I don't think I was being either naive or
> >> offensive.
> >
> > best
> >
> > shivam
> >
> > On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 10:58 AM, S. Jabbar
> >>
> > <sonia.jabbar at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Shivam,
> >>
> >> I'm surprised that it's
> > you
> >> asking this question.  It is both offensive and
> >> naïve to suggest
> > that
> >> Pandits are not returning because they are holding on
> >> to a sense
> > of
> >> victimhood to further political ends.  Though there are,
> >>
> > undoubtedly,
> >> political formations that benefit from the continuing
> >>
> > displacement of the
> >> Pandits, including the Government of India, it is
> > wrong
> >> to suggest that over
> >> 200,000 people who have lost their homes,
> > lands and
> >> livelihood would prefer
> >> to stay in some dump in the plains
> > because of
> >> political gain.
> >>
> >> Would you
> >> think like that if it had
> > happened to you?  I wouldn't.  If it was
> >> safe
> >> enough for me to return, I
> > would.  The way things are at present no
> >> Kashmiri
> >> Pandit would risk
> > moving back without guarantees of safety to life
> >> and limb.
> >> Who will give
> > them that, the GoI that has been helpless when
> >> massacres have
> >> taken
> > place?  Kashmiri Muslims, who themselves are at risk
> >> from the
> >> militant's
> > gun?
> >>
> >> Tragically, in the past, every time the GoI announced some
> >>
> > package to
> >> facilitate the return of the Pandits and the press made a
> > noise
> >> about a few
> >> families returning, there were massacres of the
> > Pandits that had
> >> remained in
> >> the valley: Wandhama, Telwani, Sangrampora,
> > and Nadimarg. The
> >> killings were
> >> brutal and they were brutal because the
> > killers wanted to send
> >> out a message
> >> in no uncertain terms.  I doubt
> > anyone in their right minds
> >> would ignore
> >> that and put their loved ones
> > at risk.
> >>
> >> The return of the
> >> Pandits would signal the end of militancy
> > and a real
> >> return to normalcy.
> >> Obviously there are groups that will
> > oppose this unless
> >> it is part of a deal
> >> between India and Pakistan on
> > Kashmir.  Only with a
> >> formal end to the war, a
> >> settlement of the Kashmir
> > issue, with the
> >> declaration of various packages
> >> for various groups, can
> > the Pandits actually
> >> return.  Until then, of course
> >> individuals are free
> > to come and go and
> >> nobody is 'holding a gun to their
> >> heads,' but that is
> > surely not the same
> >> thing.
> >>
> >> Interestingly, there are
> >> many thousand
> > Kashmiri Muslim  men stranded on the
> >> other side of the border
> >> who left
> > Kashmir in the early days of the movement
> >> and long to return to
> >> Kashmir.
> > They fear arrest and torture.  I met some of
> >> them when I was in
> >>
> > Pakistan.  They, too, dare not risk returning until the
> >> formal end of
> > the
> >> war.
> >>
> >> With so many lives at stake-- those who have left, those
> > whose lives
> >> remain
> >> hellish in J&K, it is imperative that we keep
> > pressuring the
> >> governments of
> >> India & Pakistan to settle this issue.
> > Sadly, the momentum
> >> has been lost
> >> because of domestic compulsions in
> > both countries, and I don't
> >> see things
> >> getting resolved in a
> > hurry.
> >>
> >> -sj
> >>
> >>
> >> On 7/17/08 6:42 PM,
> >> "Shivam Vij शिवम् विज्"
> > <mail at shivamvij.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> While a typo can be
> >> ignored, the
> > question is worth asking: what
> >>> prevents
> >> pandits from being
> >>
> > 'faciliated' to return? Militancy has declined,
> >>> nobody is
> >> holding a
> > gun
> >> to Pandits' temples and quita  few happily
> >>> (especially
> >>
> > businessmen) are
> >> spending six months in the Valley and six in
> >>> Delhi.
> > But
> >> many. Why has the
> >> package of Rs. 16,000 crores been rejected? Do
> >>>
> > Pandits
> >> even want to
> >> reurn, considering 70% have sold their land back
> > home?
> >>> And why
> >> don't they
> >> want to return, considering they can buy
> > land? Is it
> >>> political
> >> reasons
> >> rather than safety? Is is that many
> > non-Jammu migrants are
> >>> well
> >> settled
> >> in Delhi, Pune, Bangalore, New
> > York? Is it that returning would
> >>> mean
> >>
> >> giving up the political uses
> > of victimhood and let 'separatists' say,
> >>>
> >> "Look,
> >> even the Pandits are
> > back." I am not making these allegations but
> >>>
> >> asking
> >> questions. Like
> > all communities the Pandits are a divided
> >>>
> >> community.
> >> Kshmendra Kaul
> > does not represent them all. Everyone has
> >> different
> >>> reasons
> >> and
> > different circumstances.
> >>
> >> best
> >> shivam
> >>
> >>
> >> On
> >> 7/16/08,
> > Kshmendra Kaul
> >>> <kshmendra2005 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> A
> >>
> > "International Kashmir Peace
> >>> Conference" was held Washington D.C,
> >>>
> >>
> > 14th-15th July. It adopted the
> >>> "Washington Declaration".
> >>>
> >>> The
> > website
> >> of "Association of Humanitarian
> >>> Lawyers", one of the
> > sponsors
> >>> of the
> >> Conference, furnishes the text of the
> >>>
> > "Declaration"
> >>>
> >>> Point 8 in it
> >> reads "The Conference calls for
> > protection of
> >>> all minorities.
> >>> All the
> >> displaced persons including
> > Kashmiri bandits should
> >>> be facilitated
> >>> to
> >> return to their ancestral
> > home."
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >> http://www.humanlaw.org/kashmirstatement.html
> >>>
> >>>
> > Did not know that
> >> "bandits"
> >>> had been displaced out of Kashmir. At
> > least
> >>> they are being
> >> called
> >>> 'displaced' and not 'migrants'
> >>>
> >>>
> > KK
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
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