[Reader-list] satvik gurus and their KARMA !!

[Ranjith Thankappan]

After all, at the end of the day, the Roman catholics who claims to be "brahmins" and the satvik gurus who claims to represent the 'universe" breath same ideology. So what difference does it make for us whether it s BEnny Hinn or Sree Sree Ravishankar or MOdi or Osama or Togadia.. Morality is not the sacred word left only for the shivsainiks to show it on valantines day or karsevaks on their genocide day. 
yea memry should be refreshed. It cant be washed away in the brahmincal co-option and distortion.  



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From: "radhikarajen at vsnl.net" <radhikarajen at vsnl.net>
To: Ranjith Thankappan <ranjit_hcu at yahoo.co.in>
Cc: sarai <reader-list at sarai.net>
Sent: Friday, 25 July, 2008 8:10:40 PM
Subject: Re: [Reader-list] satvik gurus and their KARMA !!

Well, well, well, it is amusing that you take such high moral grounds about gurus and their sathvik actions or inactions or bad actions of selective faith, let it be remembered that Sister Abhaya was raped and murdered at the young age by another sathvik priest in Kerala in a seminary.
      Let us also refresh our memory about a" Guha" actively sponsored by a political party just to secure the votes of a sadhu who believes in murder and rape of his followers, has active body guards with over 500 gun licenses sanctioned during the rule of a CM who is very secular.!
  And ofcourse there are many instances of Benny hinn and alike, in Kerala, where a priest is now being hauled up for his family trusts for thousands of crores, and a missionary in Andhra who has hundreds of acres of land for sermons.!, thanks to Yesudas rajashekar reddy, very secular indeed.!

  Regards.

----- Original Message -----
From: Ranjith Thankappan <ranjit_hcu at yahoo.co.in>
Date: Friday, July 25, 2008 12:30 pm
Subject: [Reader-list] satvik gurus and their KARMA !!
To: sarai <reader-list at sarai.net>

> Godmen and Mortal World
> Happenings at Asaram Bapu's Ashram 
> Ram Puniyani
>  Death of two students of Gurukul (traditional schools run by 
> Hindu Gurus) of Asaram Bapu's Ashram (July 2008) has raised 
> multiple questions. The children staying in the Ashram were 
> missing for some time before being found dead near the river. The 
> post mortem showed that some of their organs are missing. The 
> parents of the children accused the Ashram residents for 
> practicing black magic and removing children's organs. Asaram in 
> reply said that the residents of his ashram hear Bhagvat and other 
> holy books, how they can be involved in such an act and that they 
> won't even kill a dog. Later two related events took place. One, 
> when Asaram had to travel by air and as a part of security drill 
> he was frisked second time, a random check applied some times, his 
> followers created ruckus. The listeners of Bhagvat etc. rampaged 
> and expressed their anger for the Holy man being subjected to the 
> mundane rules. Also the same ashramites attacked the journalists, 
> severely beating up a woman journalist, who had to be 
> hospitalized. So much for the Bhagvat induced tolerant attitude! 
>  This holy man has lot of other incidents to his account. In 
> Jhabua area his female Sadhvis beat up the nuns in the Christian 
> mission school when a 13year old girl was raped and killed by an 
> outsider, who had nothing to do with the school. The same Holy 
> seer sat on protest dharana when Shankaracharya was arrested on 
> the charges, which were far from divine. An act of solidarity 
> indeed! An FIR has also been filed against him for grabbing one 
> and a half acre of land in Patna. He has a vast network of 
> devotees and followers, even his disciples are giving pravachans 
> (holy discourse), keeping his photo in the backdrop. He is in the 
> race for the most popular Goodman, along with Sri Sri Ravishaker, 
> Baba Ramdeo amongst others. 
> His is not an isolated case. While these three top Godmen are very 
> visible, they are not the only ones. This phenomenon is sprawling 
> and one can see them mushrooming every where with ever increasing 
> following. Recently in Kerala one Godman created scene when 
> arrested by police. Shakarachraya's Ashram also showed lot of muck 
> in its cupboard. Surely this is the most proliferating phenomenon 
> in recent times marching parallel with increase in the religiosity 
> and might of RSS at social and political level.
>  There are types and types of godmen but still one can say that 
> majority of them are politically close to the RSS/VHP/BJP combine. 
> Asaram Bapu sat on dharana along with Vajpayee et al and recently. 
> Sri Sri Ravishanker and Baba Ramdeo were all praises for Advani 
> while releasing his autobiography, which justifies the politics of 
> Hate and his own role in that. They subtly spread the message that 
> minorities are violent as they consume meat etc. forgetting that 
> the most violent person of all the time Hitler was a vegetarian. 
> And the followers of these Godmen are mercurial in their temper 
> and aggressive in their stance. Another such 'Holy man, Narendra 
> Mahraj's followers also created trouble when he was not permitted 
> to carry his holy staff in the aeroplane. They were also involved 
> in the attack on nuns in Alibaug, these nuns were doing the AIDS 
> awareness work and that was presented as 'conversion' a pretext 
> enough to beat them up.
> When these Godmen are giving such peaceful sermons and eating 
> satvik food, (food creating peaceful tendencies as per them), how 
> are they so violent? According to traditional system of medicine 
> type of food determines the nature of man. So Muslims the meat 
> eaters are violent the vegetarian Hindu are tolerant, that's how 
> the social common sense says here. This has been the part of 
> demonization of Muslims. Violence is due to the ideas and 
> underlying premises of the teachings they imbibe. They listen to 
> the exclusionary discourse, Hindus are under threat is part of the 
> preaching of many of these and some of them are deliberately 
> planted in Adivasi areas to scare the Christian missionaries away. 
> Lakkhanand in Orissa and Aseemanand in Dangs, Gujarat are two 
> examples of that. They have been attacking the missionary work in 
> the area of education and health. Incidentally in these areas 
> around Christmas time, attacks are organized against churches and 
> priests. 
>  Along with the adverse effects of globalization the rise of these 
> Holy men can clearly be seen. One was surprised to note that some 
> of these Babas, (holy men) claiming to renounce the worldly goods 
> are extremely prosperous themselves and have such a rich clientele 
> that they can undertake an expensive month long luxury cruise 
> along with these holy people and listen to the divine discourse in 
> the midst of sea waves. Also there is a very impressive self 
> designed dress code for the men of God. While one need understand 
> this phenomenon at deeper level what can be said off hand is that 
> their ashrams and activities should be within the parameters of 
> law, subject to the usual checks and balances of a civic society. 
> In case of Brinda Karat raising questions about the composition of 
> medicines being produced by his factory, Baba' followers were 
> aghast as to how can ordinary mortal raise such question about the 
> Baba. To assert that the laws of the land should not
> be applied to them cannot be acceptable in society and polity. To 
> reduce the fraud which is seeping in many of these Ashrams, it 
> will be worth its while to inculcate voluntary social audit, based 
> on ethical values and laws of Indian society. All those involved 
> in the death of these children and beating up of journalists must 
> be subjected to the punishment due to them.
> One has seen many a types of saints. During medieval period the 
> Bhakti and Sufi saints stood for reform of society, emphasized on 
> moral values of religion and included all in the fold of their 
> community. They talked against blind faith and emphasized on the 
> unity of all human beings. That's why we see that people cutting 
> across religions flocked them. Today it seems that a large genre 
> of those wearing holy robes are revivalists, pushing back the 
> social values and exclusionary in their approach to the society. 
> Their main focus is on giving calm and tranquility to the 
> affluent, to be close to those with money and power. They are mute 
> against the evil practices of untouchability, bride burning and 
> manifest caste system.
>  Their association with politics of RSS combine clearly gives an 
> indication as to how they prepare the ground for their societal 
> agenda. We do need to emphasize on reform of the society, to look 
> at dogmas and blind faith critically and to ensure that society 
> develops in a humane direction. Some of them dish out the RSS 
> ideology in a more sophisticated way, with the halo of divine 
> sermon. While one appreciates their social welfare work, one will 
> like that transparency is brought into their operations and 
> medicines they produce should be regulated by the laws of the 
> land. Can one expect that the tragic incidents of Asaram's Ashram 
> will open our eyes to be more vigilant about their deeds? 
>  
> --
> Issues in Secular Politics
> July 2008 II
> For circulation.
> --ram.puniyani at gmail.com,    www.pluralindia.com
>  
> 
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> -- 
> geedha
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