[Reader-list] Assault upon the Delhi University History

radhikarajen at vsnl.net radhikarajen at vsnl.net
Wed Mar 5 13:30:54 IST 2008 

Hey,
 but chief minister did not even had courage to visit Nandigram and singur after his cadres killed "them" and paid them in the same coin.!

----- Original Message -----
From: TaraPrakash <taraprakash at gmail.com>
Date: Tuesday, March 4, 2008 12:09 am
Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Assault upon the Delhi University History
To: Aditya Raj Kaul <kauladityaraj at gmail.com>, reader-list at sarai.net

> No less than the chief minister visited the murderer and who you 
> might 
> consider the upholder of Indian culture, in the prison. The only 
> witness who 
> came forward to testify was forced to recant by MP police. Where 
> does the 
> court come in to this?
> 
> It is irony of Hindu religion and more so that of  Ram, that his 
> name has 
> been misappropriated and now being dragged in to politics by 
> murderers, 
> liars, profiteers, opportunists.
> 
> It is interesting though that your last couple messages talked 
> more about 
> the feud between Congress/NSUI and BJP/ABVP. And yes you right in 
> your 
> revised assumption that only these parties bring the campus to 
> stand still 
> on the non-issues.
> ---- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Aditya Raj Kaul" <kauladityaraj at gmail.com>
> To: <reader-list at sarai.net>
> Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 10:50 AM
> Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Assault upon the Delhi University History
> 
> 
> > Have you ever wondered why the Ujjain Murder Case of Prof. 
> Sabharwal has 
> > yet
> > not been solved ? You may say that Madhya Pradesh has a BJP let 
> Govt. 
> > which
> > controls everything directly or indirectly and influences every 
> step 
> > taken.
> > But, for your information; the case is now in Supreme Court and 
> yet no
> > Justice. As I was personally linked with fighting the cases of 
> Jessica 
> > Lall
> > and Priyadarshini Mattoo; I tried to help Prof. Sabharwal's son 
> in this 
> > case
> > but unfortunately it was nothing much then a Congress -BJP 
> tussle. I've 
> > seen
> > the video recordings of the entire episode much before and even 
> after the
> > incident. The whole episode has many negative elements apart 
> from ABVP 
> > which
> > have played a strong role. I've also met the senior advocate of 
> supreme> court who happens to be the lawyer of Sabharwal's even he 
> is tired of this
> > BJP-Congress game. You'll have to investigate it further before 
> mere 
> > playing
> > of blame game.
> >
> > We both agree to disagree with each other. But, its for sure 
> that in 
> > today's
> > senario be it NSUI, ABVP or for that matter the left SFI; they 
> have lost
> > their track and are directionless moving in this democracy. They 
> blindly 
> > go
> > on the way their masters want them get in. The crores of monet 
> spent on
> > glamourous student body elections especially in Delhi is well 
> known to 
> > all.
> > And, still this silence. It speaks volumes about the stumbling 
> system.>
> >
> >
> >
> > On 3/3/08, TaraPrakash <taraprakash at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Very peaceful in deed. They peacefully murder teachers and 
> students. It's
> >> all about elections.
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Aditya Raj Kaul" <kauladityaraj at gmail.com>
> >> To: <reader-list at sarai.net>
> >> Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 4:38 AM
> >> Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Assault upon the Delhi University 
> History>>
> >>
> >> > Below is a newsitem from the Indian Express. Unlike SFI, ABVP has
> >> decided
> >> > to
> >> > launch peacefull college to college awareness campaign. 
> Unlike left 
> >> > lazy
> >> > and
> >> > violent left wing, ABVP looks at the broader picture of 
> students 
> >> > studies
> >> > which should not get affected. Its high time left cheap publicity
> >> seekers
> >> > wake up and do some brainstorming. God Bless All. :-)
> >> >
> >> > Remarks on Lord Ram in textbook: ABVP to hold protests in DU 
> colleges>> >  **
> >> > *Posted online: Monday , March 03, 2008 at 10:31:30
> >> > * **
> >> > *New Delhi, March 2* The ABVP is planning to hold protests 
> across Delhi
> >> > University colleges against the inclusion of "atrocious" 
> remarks on 
> >> > Lord
> >> > Ram
> >> > in its history text books, activists said.'
> >> >
> >> > Twenty-four hours after being released from Tihar Jail, state 
> joint>> > secretary of ABVP Vikas Dahiya—who was arrested on 
> Tuesday for violent
> >> > protests in the university on the issue—said he wants the 
> police to 
> >> > take
> >> > action against the DU V-C Deepak Pental.
> >> >
> >> > He also demanded for action against head of the department 
> (History) S 
> >> > Z
> >> H
> >> > Jafri and Upinder Singh, daughter of Prime Minster Manmohan 
> Singh, 
> >> > whose
> >> > name is printed on the book as the compiler.
> >> >
> >> > "We are planning to lodge an FIR against them for hurting the 
> religious>> > sentiments of Hindus," Dahiya said at a press 
> conference held at North
> >> > Campus today.
> >> >
> >> > From Monday, Vikas said, ABVP activists would visit at least two
> >> colleges
> >> > each day to seek support from principals and students for a 
> >> > college-wise
> >> > demonstration.
> >> >
> >> > Vikas alleged the Delhi Police and DU authorities were biased 
> and said
> >> > that
> >> > though arrest warrants were issued against eight persons, 
> there were
> >> only
> >> > five people in the building during the violence.
> >> >
> >> > "When Amrita Bahri and Devraj Tehlan of the NSUI ran amok in 
> the 
> >> > History
> >> > Department last year, no action was taken against them," he 
> claimed.>> >
> >> > Payal Mago, reader in DU and vice president of ABVP, said 
> that if
> >> Upinder
> >> > Singh had not compiled the material as claimed by History 
> Department,>> > "what
> >> > took her so long to deny charges".
> >> >
> >> > "The book has been in circulation for around one and a half 
> years. She
> >> > could
> >> > have corrected the mistake any time," she said.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On 3/3/08, radhikarajen at vsnl.net <radhikarajen at vsnl.net> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> Hi, with one billion and more people, let there be that many 
> Ramayanas>> in
> >> >> their freedom of expression and creativity, but the issue 
> here is does
> >> >> freedom of expression is only to denigrete others faith. ? 
> Those 
> >> >> places
> >> >> of
> >> >> learning which are filled with chamchas and hangers on who 
> deride 
> >> >> hindu
> >> >> faith should write that many bibles and qurans also, that is 
> >> >> secularism
> >> >> at
> >> >> work. !
> >> >> Regards.
> >> >>
> >> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> >> From: Prem Chandavarkar <prem.cnt at gmail.com>
> >> >> Date: Monday, March 3, 2008 9:58 am
> >> >> Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Assault upon the Delhi University 
> History>> >> To: Aditya Raj Kaul <kauladityaraj at gmail.com>
> >> >> Cc: reader-list at sarai.net
> >> >>
> >> >> > On 03/03/2008, Aditya Raj Kaul <kauladityaraj at gmail.com> 
> wrote:>> >> > >
> >> >> > > We were well know that originally there are only two 
> Ramayan's>> >> > that we
> >> >> > > recognise; one by Tulsidas and another by Valmiki. There 
> maybe a
> >> few
> >> >> > > hundred
> >> >> > > more stories based on poetry from various places etc. 
> But, lets
> >> >> > for a
> >> >> > > change
> >> >> > > concentrate on the original source while studying 
> history in an
> >> >> > > institution
> >> >> > > rather then secondary and modern opinions, translations 
> etc etc.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > To me, such a statement is the heart of the problem, and 
> is the
> >> >> > reason why
> >> >> > this discussion thread started in the first place.  It implies
> >> >> > that there is
> >> >> > a primary authoritative history which must be regarded, 
> and many
> >> >> > secondaryhistories which can be immediately dismissed as 
> inferior>> >> > and ignorable.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Such a classification should also be accompanied by an 
> ethical and
> >> >> > intellectual justification of the basis on which it is 
> made.  It
> >> >> > cannot be
> >> >> > merely stated that this must be so because it is a 
> majority belief
> >> >> > or a
> >> >> > historical imperative that has endured for ages, for that 
> is the
> >> >> > argumentthat was used to defend colonialism, slavery and 
> apartheid.>> >> >
> >> >> > Let me link this to an earlier thread on history and 
> archive, and 
> >> >> > put
> >> >> > forward the following proposition:  The archive is an ethical,
> >> >> > rather than
> >> >> > epistemological, imperative of history as a discipline.  
> History>> >> > cannot be
> >> >> > ethically validated without the discipline incorporating an
> >> >> > ongoing discourse on the basis of which something is to be
> >> >> > categorised as
> >> >> > archive, or dismissed as non-archive.
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