[Reader-list] Fwd: Sanjay Kak on Ram Guha's Book
TaraPrakash
taraprakash at gmail.com
Sun Mar 9 21:34:49 IST 2008
Well, I remember having written to the list stating my opinion of the film,
when this controversy first erupted here. Viewed from a experienced film
critic's eye, the film is a bad case of cinematography. Politically, it is
biased without a trace of subtlety.
Having said that, I see no reason for banning the movie or any discussion
about it from either side of the divide. The discussion is useful as long as
it does not malign an individual merely for not making a film presenting
your viewpoint, and as long as the discussion does not become uncivil or
repetitive.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Partha Dasgupta" <parthaekka at gmail.com>
To: "Aditya Raj Kaul" <kauladityaraj at gmail.com>
Cc: <reader-list at sarai.net>
Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2008 8:49 AM
Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Fwd: Sanjay Kak on Ram Guha's Book
> Hi Aditya,
>
> Am resorting to a 'cut and paste' of an earlier mail on this same list
> (that
> was conveniently ignored) as it seems that a blind hatred that Pawan and
> you
> share for Sanjay Kak stops you from using your reasoning.
>
> 1. As I mentioned earlier, all of us on this list are unknown to each
> other.
> I atleast only know one person who told me about this list.
>
> 2. The list is a place where we debate, discuss and inform, and 'who'
> the
> person is becomes irrelevant.
>
> 3. As far as Sanjay Kak's film is concerned, you're welcome to mail him a
> list of questions. However, since he's not on the list, why post it
> here
> -
> unless you want to debate the 'realities' he's raised.
>
> 4. In any case, this specific debate has nothing to do with that issue.
> If
> you
> disagree with what's been said in this debate, then mention the parts
> you
> disagree with and why. All of us have pockets of knowledge, and I'd be
> glad to know your point of view on this topic, but I haven't seen it.
> All there's
> been is a personal attack against Sanjay Kak without any reference to
> the
> issue raised.
>
> Rgds, Partha
> .....................................
>
> On Sun, Mar 9, 2008 at 1:46 PM, Aditya Raj Kaul <kauladityaraj at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Surely Asit. But, atleast Sanjay Kak is no authority on Kashmir in any
>> manner. He failed like anything even if he tried to portray the
>> aspiration
>> for so called freedom. Even to a common individual this film was nothing
>> more than mere propoganda. Kak's silence only adds to this.
>>
>> I don't find it that important to comment on your other
>> allegations/accusations. Kashmir Pandits are known for their intellect
>> and
>> have been the pioneers in each and every field of education. Not only was
>> the first prime minister of India a Pandit; but many other respectable
>> positions are to its crdeit; among others the first ornithologist of
>> Asia.
>> Now, everyone knows of who used to and still supports casteism,
>> communalism
>> etc. in Kashmir. Its the baby of your Kak like persons and his masters.
>>
>> The original inhabitants of the valley atleast do have some right to
>> speak
>> on their land. Hope this time your are enlightened.
>>
>> Orzuv (Blessings)
>>
>>
>>
>> On 3/9/08, Asit asitreds <asitredsalute at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > this has come to ownership and copyright about kashmir i would like to
>> > be enightened who has the copyright to speak on kaskmir
>> > asit
>> >
>> > On 3/9/08, Pawan Durani <pawan.durani at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > Dear Asit ,
>> > >
>> > > Youn would be perfectly right if you would question "Who is Pawan
>> > Durani?"
>> > > for I may be as unknown to you as Sanjay Kak ( Monalisa With A
>> > > Beard )
>> > is to
>> > > Kashmir and Kashmir issue.
>> > >
>> > > Ask the bearded Monalisa did he have answers to the arguments ? The
>> only
>> > > time he fely happy has been Gorakhpur festival where the reason for
>> his
>> > > happiness was that no one asked him about Pandits .
>> > >
>> > > And that served what he wanted .
>> > >
>> > > For us , the Kashmiri Pandits, he has been a traitor and let Sanjay
>> kak
>> > > admit in this Form , that even his parents are not happy with him.
>> > >
>> > > Partha : I forgot to tell you that the bearded Monalisa is the member
>> of
>> > > this Forum.
>> > >
>> > > Regards
>> > >
>> > > Pawan Durani
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > On 3/8/08, Asit asitreds <asitredsalute at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > dear friends
>> > > > there has to be some grace and decency in public debates name
>> calling
>> > > > is juvenile and obscene as if all the redears list debaters are
>> nobel
>> > > > prize winners stooping down to the personal under the belt and
>> > > > disgraceful attack on sanjay kak i ask who is pawan durani
>> > > > any one conscious on social issues knows that sanjay kak is a bold
>> > > > film maker who exposed indian states genocide in kashmir
>> > > > asitOn 3/6/08, Pawan Durani <pawan.durani at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > > > Dear Partha ,
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Let me just ask "Who is Sanjay Kak ?"
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Being honest months before the release of some fiction movie
>> called
>> > > :Jashn -
>> > > > > Kashmir " or something like that , i had a querry from a well
>> known
>> > > lobyist
>> > > > > enquirying about Mr Kak. I pleaded my ignorance.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > And I still dont want to know him , for he has tried to do the
>> > largest
>> > > > > damage to a victimised community called Kashmiri Hindus.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Having said that , i still would like to challenge his knowledge
>> on
>> > > Kashmir
>> > > > > , and would like to have a public , academic and intellectual
>> debate
>> > > with
>> > > > > him. He may bring in his guests like Yasin Malik to support him.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Last time he met Rashneek at Green Park , he just pleaded
>> ignorance
>> > > about
>> > > > > History.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Regards
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Pawan Durani
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > > On 3/6/08, Partha Dasgupta <parthaekka at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Dear Dhatri,
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > a) As far as Kashmir is concerned, neither Sanjay Kak nor
>> > > > > > Aditya
>> > nor
>> > > > > > Pawan
>> > > > > > are
>> > > > > > loving there. That's precisely why Aditya & Pawan are talking
>> > about
>> > > > > > being
>> > > > > > dispossesed and the pain of not living there.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > b) Sanjay Kak depicted his point of view as an artist / film
>> > maker. If
>> > > > > > anyone disagrees
>> > > > > > they are welcome to make their viewpoint heard. He has merely
>> > depicted
>> > > > > > one part
>> > > > > > or view of a status as he sees it.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > c) Neither of the above points have anything to do with the
>> > current
>> > > > > > debate.
>> > > > > > If you feel
>> > > > > > that there is a lack of veracity in the current debate that is
>> on,
>> > > > > > please respond to
>> > > > > > specific portions with your own references.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Rgds, Partha
>> > > > > > ..................................
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > On Thu, Mar 6, 2008 at 1:04 PM, we wi <dhatr1i at yahoo.com>
>> > > > > > wrote:
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > > The logic is pretty simple and reachable. Sanjay kak produce
>> > false
>> > > > > > > facts these people including Sanjay kak knew that they are
>> > > > > > false. Sanjay
>> > > > > > > kak is not a living being of Jammu and Kashmir like Pawan and
>> > > > > > Aditya,.....
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > *Partha Dasgupta <parthaekka at gmail.com>* wrote:
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > Dear Aditya,
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > That's a bit like asking who's Pawan or Aditya or, for that
>> > matter,
>> > > > > > > Partha.
>> > > > > > > None of us on this list know each other yet we still have the
>> > > > > > intellectual
>> > > > > > > honesty to look clearly at a point of view and debate it.
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > Who Sanjay Kak is does not matter. What matters is his point
>> of
>> > > view,
>> > > > > > and
>> > > > > > > if
>> > > > > > > you disagree with it, why?
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > Rgds, Partha
>> > > > > > > .................
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > On Wed, Mar 5, 2008 at 3:06 PM, Aditya Raj Kaul
>> > > > > > > wrote:
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > Good One Pawan. :-)
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > Why is an "Intellectual Forum" namely Sarai geting into a
>> > > discussion
>> > > > > > on
>> > > > > > > > some
>> > > > > > > > review written by just another person ? Pawan asks rightly,
>> > Who is
>> > > > > > this
>> > > > > > > > Sanjay Kak ?
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > Regards
>> > > > > > > > Aditya Raj Kaul
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > On 3/5/08, Pawan Durani wrote:
>> > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > Joke of the day : Kak's review comes like a breath of
>> > > honest,fresh
>> > > > > > > air.
>> > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > Sanjay Kak and being Honest ........I saw snow on Mumbai
>> > streets
>> > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > On 3/5/08, Namrata Kakkar wrote:
>> > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > Dear everybody,
>> > > > > > > > > > Having read Sanjay Sub's wrong but
>> > > > > > > > > > back patting, ridiculous review on the SARAI list, I
>> > > > > > > > > > was just wondering how could readers at Sarai list
>> > > > > > > > > > tolerate such nonsensical bribery, blind eye
>> > > > > > > > > > stupidity. Kak's review comes like a breath of honest,
>> > > > > > > > > > fresh air. But couldn't Sanjay Sub. himself raise
>> > > > > > > > > > these questions? Infact anybody a bit literate enough
>> > > > > > > > > > would tear this book into shreds; but Sanajy could not
>> > > > > > > > > > do so since Ram Guha is now a new promoter in the
>> > > > > > > > > > Indian circles--mustering and manipulating crores of
>> > > > > > > > > > rupees through his (i.e, Indian) Arts Foundation. Ram
>> > > > > > > > > > guha is a man with book length muscles now.
>> > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > So even if he continues writing this bull
>> > > > > > > > > > shit, he will be a Sanjay's public historian ( like
>> > > > > > > > > > men love public woman ( sorry). One wonders if he too
>> > > > > > > > > > is aspiring a 50,000 rupees felllowship from Ram Guha.
>> > > > > > > > > > He may...
>> > > > > > > > > > But anyway, thank you SARAI.
>> > > > > > > > > > Namrata
>> > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > Note: forwarded message attached.
>> > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > Chat on a cool, new interface. No download required. Go
>> to
>> > > > > > > > > >
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